Cry Me a River - Balance Poll - Page 13

On August 10 2013 20:36 Dwayn wrote:
All these funny explanations why zergs whine the most are BS... It's very simple. zerg is underpowered, so they complain the most. Just as Terrans whined the most at the end of WoL.

On August 10 2013 21:06 SoniC_eu wrote:
When I win over a zerg, there is a good chance that they will complain about the races being imbalanced, and terran being overpowered (Mules, stim, marines etc.) However there was this one zerg chap who asked me how to get better, and I was pleasantly surprised.

On July 11 2013 02:41 Surili wrote:

Sorry i couldn't let this go. This is not a Theory. It is a hypothesis. There is an important different. I have hypothesise that the way losses can happen as zerg might lead to zergs feeling like the game is more unstable and unbalanced.

A theory is a hypothesis that has been tested against hundreds of times both logically and empirically and has not been shown to be false. Like the THEORY of Gravity, or the THEORY of evolution for instance.

On August 10 2013 23:20 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
^Protoss are better at being full of shit and arrogant about how modest and cool they so fucking incorrectly think they are. XD
Check the thread in detail to see more BS like the above!
Also, you do hear a heck of a lot of "Protoss don't win tournaments! T___T" and yet somehow protosses don't seem to be counting that....

On July 10 2013 00:16 aXa wrote:
I reall think that zerg complains the most, and rightfully so. It's not so much about balance, but about how fun or frustrating it is to play a race at a certain level (Masters, to be precise)


/* Whine activated */

I think everyone here should play zerg and understand how frustrating it is to play ZvT for instance.

I played Starcraft 2 since the beta, I freaking love this game and I made lots of guide about it in the strategy section. I usually get a bit mad when I get cheesed, but never when I lose a macro game. Now, every ZvT feels like a cheese, every widow mine hit makes me want to cry and shout at the same time. I never stopped playing for balance reason, but now it's been 3 months I didn't play just because the game makes me angry more than anything else.

It looks cool on stream, but just picture what it takes to play against widow mine:
A burrowed widow mine, at an KNOWN location, requires you to:
1: Morph an overseer,
2: Move the overseer and spot the widow mine
3: Pull the overseer back so he won't die , but not too far so you can see the widow mine
4: Select ONE zergling off of your zergling pack
5: Sacrifice him to trigger the mine
6: Kill the widow mine with some more zergling IF there is no widow mine left, otherwise, you are back to step n*2, or n*1 if you lost the overseer.

If you try to kill widow mine with mutalisk, expect to lose the game anytime soon.

This is A HUGE investment in multitasking, even more though because while this happens, you are supposed to do the following and very multitasking-intensive things:
-Defend multiple drops
-Inject your hatches
-Spread your creep and overlord
-Try to make counter-attacks (Even though they will fail to random defensive widow mine and reinforcement)

At the end, you are completely overwhelm, even though your APM is above average or simply superior to your opponent.
Widow mine allow terrans to just rally to your base in continuous and endless waves, you can't even use muta for harassment any more, but still you are compelled to use them to deal with medivacs...
You are depressed, you feel like a victim. You are scared to leave your base because there might be widow mine.

I was in a semi-pro team, and all our zerg including myself left, because the game was just so painful to play because of ZvT.

Statistics may look balanced, but I all see is zerg getting stomped even in the pro-scene, only some survive longer by using all-ins or by being far more better than their opponents, and it is really not fun to watch..

1. Overseer speed buff (after upgrade)

TvZ feels quite balanced until the very late game when there are so many skirmishes and so many Widow Mines. We want to keep the really exciting gameplay while finding ways to help out Zerg in those specific battles. Having to micromanage your army in every engagement, morph new Banelings, manage 4-5 (or more) bases, and morph new Overseers can be a bit too much. So we’re going to test giving Overseers a speed buff after the speed upgrade is purchased, so that we keep the early- and mid-game the same while specifically helping out the Zerg in the later stages. They still wouldn't move as fast as say, Mutalisks, but perhaps late game TvZ goes more evenly if Overseers don't lag behind and get killed in most late engagements.

On August 13 2013 05:39 aXa wrote:
Remember what I said ?



Well:

On August 10 2013 23:20 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
^Protoss are better at being full of shit and arrogant about how modest and cool they so fucking incorrectly think they are. XD
Check the thread in detail to see more BS like the above!
Also, you do hear a heck of a lot of "Protoss don't win tournaments! T___T" and yet somehow protosses don't seem to be counting that....

On August 13 2013 05:49 theBlues wrote:
I played Starcraft as Zerg since the days of Broodwar, got to D+ on iccup, made it on diamond on launch day... been a low masters player for most of the game.

I quit sc2 months ago out of frustration, with the release of HOTS the game got so much more frustrating for Zerg. I just gave up. I play dota now. I wonder if the number of active zerg players is the same. Note the word active.