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On July 09 2013 14:48 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 14:43 MaestroSC wrote:On July 09 2013 10:44 dizzy101 wrote:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I find it hard to believe this will be sustainable.
I mean, even Riot's salaried teams have difficulty maintaining financial stability and staying in gaming houses. (See the latest LoL Reddit posts about team Marn). And they receive 12.5k per player per season + 25k for the team.
Quantic closed its teamhouse. Complexity too. Why would Root be an exception?
if a team of 5 pro players, cant survive off of 80k a year... they all better quit and go find really nice paying jobs.. speaking as thats pretty much an average salary for a small family.. They are getting 85k for essentially nothing... if they stream, get sponsor money, get money from tournament winnings... if they are not able to sustain themselves its because they are all morons with their money, and would fail at sustaining themselves regardless of how much they made. I live in So Cal and own my own 3 bedroom house in one of the more expensive areas of So Cal outside of LA/Orange County, and support myself, pay for everything, and am still sitting on a decent cushion of a bank account and I dont bring in 85k a year atm...especially 85k just for existing and playing a video game all day. The only difference being that sustaining that family doesn't include frequent international flights, hotel payments, and lots and lots of computer costs. That 85k should be able to keep them, yes, but I could see it falling apart quickly if they don't learn how to cook and learn how to save money effectively.
Do they have to pay the flights themselves, because I really cannot believe they would have to?
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Where did you guys get the 85k number from? I thought the fundraiser raised less than 30k?
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On July 09 2013 14:56 Dodgin wrote:
Where did you guys get the 85k number from? I thought the fundraiser raised less than 30k?
I guess 5x12500+25000 (875,k)
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On July 09 2013 14:56 Dodgin wrote:
Where did you guys get the 85k number from? I thought the fundraiser raised less than 30k?
I believe theyre talking about some LoL teams o.o
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On July 09 2013 14:48 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 14:43 MaestroSC wrote:On July 09 2013 10:44 dizzy101 wrote:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I find it hard to believe this will be sustainable.
I mean, even Riot's salaried teams have difficulty maintaining financial stability and staying in gaming houses. (See the latest LoL Reddit posts about team Marn). And they receive 12.5k per player per season + 25k for the team.
Quantic closed its teamhouse. Complexity too. Why would Root be an exception?
if a team of 5 pro players, cant survive off of 80k a year... they all better quit and go find really nice paying jobs.. speaking as thats pretty much an average salary for a small family.. They are getting 85k for essentially nothing... if they stream, get sponsor money, get money from tournament winnings... if they are not able to sustain themselves its because they are all morons with their money, and would fail at sustaining themselves regardless of how much they made. I live in So Cal and own my own 3 bedroom house in one of the more expensive areas of So Cal outside of LA/Orange County, and support myself, pay for everything, and am still sitting on a decent cushion of a bank account and I dont bring in 85k a year atm...especially 85k just for existing and playing a video game all day. The only difference being that sustaining that family doesn't include frequent international flights, hotel payments, and lots and lots of computer costs. That 85k should be able to keep them, yes, but I could see it falling apart quickly if they don't learn how to cook and learn how to save money effectively.
My point is that if they arent making it... its because they arent spending their money effectively. It can easily be done, especially with the way LCS is set up.
Anyways
My biggest thing is Why did they pick Nor Cal, when tournaments, comic-cons, and other major conventions are held in So Cal. Also LAX is one of the most major airports in the US,(if u are flying to another country from the west coast... ur going to pay to fly to LAX..then to whatever country...why add on this additional flight by living far from LAX?) what does it benefit to be in SF other than "because EG is moving to SF"
Blizzard is based in Irvine...also down the street from Anaheim/LaX... if anything shouldnt teams be supporting an idea similar LCS by moving closer? Not to mention NASL is also in So Cal?
IDK would loved to have advised on that meeting. Seems like they are spending near 3k a month on rent.. for 3k a month they could get a 5 bedroom house in So Cal near Irvine, Anaheim, LaX easy... would eliminate at least 10k+ in expenses (Flying 10 players to a major US tournament and getting rooms) as long as MLG keeps coming to Anaheim (but lets be real Anaheim is one of MLG's most lucrative events)
I dont understand the benefits of living near SF. I am not saying they should have looked to move to Anaheim, but they could have lived somewhere that was within easy driving distance (15-20 mins) to the Anaheim Convention Center/LAX/Blizzard HQ in a similar sized house, in possibly a better area for that amount of $$.
idk it seems like "becaue SF is the hip place to be" is the only real reason to move a team near SF, because there isnt a single major event that travels to SF, and if costs is an issue why not move somewhere that will make the most financial sense...? If you are going to spend the extra $$ to be in Cali, why not be close to the important gaming infrastructure already here?
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@Maestro well Blizzard has an office in SF now too (old IPL office), as well as Twitch.
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Again, they're not actually in SF. Antioch is quite far from SF. I'm not sure of their specific location, but I live in the city (in the presidio, right next to the golden gate) and it's literally a 1hr+ drive to get to Antioch.
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On July 09 2013 15:05 Kvz wrote:
Again, they're not actually in SF. Antioch is quite far from SF. I'm not sure of their specific location, but I live in the city (in the presidio, right next to the golden gate) and it's literally a 1hr+ drive to get to Antioch.
They didnt want to be in SF cause living in SF if your trying to save money is a TERRIBLE decision when you have the choice of living ANYwhere and your only criteria is good Sq ft per dollar.
It just seems like the decision was made...
"Where should we live?"
San Francisco!
"Why?"
IDK its the only major city i know in California?
"Ok... San Francisco is retarded expensive for a house big enough for all of us... lets move an hour outside of San Francisco!"
It just doesnt make sense to me how they ended up in Antioch.... seems like such a terrible idea, unless they are poorly informed by someone else, maybe a member of the team who wanted to live in SF because "its cool"
Also read the team marn thing on reddit because it intrigued me... i got to the 4th paragraph and already understood how terrible and irresponsible they were with their money, and realized why they were doomed to fail.
"Clakey wanted a house near the beach"... here is a great way to spend an extra 500-1000$ per month rent... for no legitimate reason other than "because i want to" fine... its your right to throw away fistfuls of cash if u desire..but u cant complain then about lack of support leading to your downfall.
read through the rest of the team Mrn situation... this is what happens when you throw money at irresponsible children who have never had to worry about bills/rent etc. It's quite silly to blame any of their situation on their lack of funding... their problem was they had a moron for a manager, along with 6 other clowns who dont understand anything about responsibility (like forfeiting a sponsorship because "they didnt feel like" making guides for Mobafire) they were spending 4000 a month on rent...because they wanted to feel baller... soooooooooooooooooooooooo dumb lol.
really hope noone looks at this as reasons why a pro-team cant sustain themselves.
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i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it.
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On July 08 2013 08:52 iNcontroL wrote:I like the transparancy with how money is being spent.. having crowd funded I think this is fair but still really cool of you guys to do that. WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD! I hope to come over a bunch and harass you guys / work / train etc  GL!
Make sure they lift.
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On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it.
You don't have to win tournaments to be a part of the community and have fans.
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On July 09 2013 10:44 dizzy101 wrote:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I find it hard to believe this will be sustainable.
I mean, even Riot's salaried teams have difficulty maintaining financial stability and staying in gaming houses. (See the latest LoL Reddit posts about team Marn). And they receive 12.5k per player per season + 25k for the team.
Quantic closed its teamhouse. Complexity too. Why would Root be an exception?
Marn had a large beach house in Santa Monica. It was incredibly expensive. They were able to afford it, the drama about the money now is they're no longer an LCS team. Which makes them sad because they didn't save properly and have little to no monies left.
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On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it.
Welcome to the forums!
Anyway, good luck ROOT. Hope it works out really well for you!
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On July 09 2013 16:34 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 10:44 dizzy101 wrote:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I find it hard to believe this will be sustainable.
I mean, even Riot's salaried teams have difficulty maintaining financial stability and staying in gaming houses. (See the latest LoL Reddit posts about team Marn). And they receive 12.5k per player per season + 25k for the team.
Quantic closed its teamhouse. Complexity too. Why would Root be an exception?
Marn had a large beach house in Santa Monica. It was incredibly expensive. They were able to afford it, the drama about the money now is they're no longer an LCS team. Which makes them sad because they didn't save properly and have little to no monies left.
and their manager was a thief...
but ya turns out spending 4k rent a month... because u feel like it... isnt a wise business decision...when they could have literally lived in just as nice a place for half of that...
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On July 09 2013 16:31 Bosu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it. You don't have to win tournaments to be a part of the community and have fans.
Sure you are right .... but how do you get the money from sponsors without any pretty good results ?!
What a weird world in we live :/
ofc i wish Root just the best ... was just a simple question for me it seems like there is no simple answer for it which will fit :D
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Nvm, I see it now.
and GG guys!! So glad yall made it work <3
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On July 08 2013 08:52 iNcontroL wrote:I like the transparancy with how money is being spent.. having crowd funded I think this is fair but still really cool of you guys to do that. WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD! I hope to come over a bunch and harass you guys / work / train etc GL!
Its nice but I hope it doesn't cause them issues with complaints from the community along the lines of "they spent too much on X and they should done Y" from all those armchair idealists.
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On July 09 2013 17:01 Maickel32 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 16:31 Bosu wrote:On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it. You don't have to win tournaments to be a part of the community and have fans. Sure you are right .... but how do you get the money from sponsors without any pretty good results ?! What a weird world in we live :/ ofc i wish Root just the best ... was just a simple question for me it seems like there is no simple answer for it which will fit :D
I'm sure theres an answer. I don't know how it works exactly , but I would imagine that the more people that watch their streams, the sponsors probably pay them more, or perhaps if they get people to buy stuff from their sponsors they get a cut of it. In addition, they have people that subscribe to their streams which basically gives each of them a monthly income, and they also get donations and anything like that.
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On July 09 2013 17:10 Disastorm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 17:01 Maickel32 wrote:On July 09 2013 16:31 Bosu wrote:On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it. You don't have to win tournaments to be a part of the community and have fans. Sure you are right .... but how do you get the money from sponsors without any pretty good results ?! What a weird world in we live :/ ofc i wish Root just the best ... was just a simple question for me it seems like there is no simple answer for it which will fit :D I'm sure theres an answer. I don't know how it works exactly , but I would imagine that the more people that watch their streams, the sponsors probably pay them more, or perhaps if they get people to buy stuff from their sponsors they get a cut of it. In addition, they have people that subscribe to their streams which basically gives each of them a monthly income, and they also get donations and anything like that.
And thats the next point ... you only get a lot subscribers if you are good, entertaining, and talking with your subscribers, you just get like nothing if you just play, do not commentate anything or either keep stucking on master level 
Thats all really weird for me ... but anyway i should not care so much about it
Good that they are finally made a strike with the house ... i hope they enjoy their time inside and they all keep advancing their skill ... maybe we can see some of them in some great international tournaments placed in a good spot ...
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On July 09 2013 17:10 Disastorm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 17:01 Maickel32 wrote:On July 09 2013 16:31 Bosu wrote:On July 09 2013 16:10 Maickel32 wrote:
i do net get it ... how can they get that much money without being succesful ? Root has some decent players, but thats all nothing really special.
They dont win tournaments, they just play it. You don't have to win tournaments to be a part of the community and have fans. Sure you are right .... but how do you get the money from sponsors without any pretty good results ?! What a weird world in we live :/ ofc i wish Root just the best ... was just a simple question for me it seems like there is no simple answer for it which will fit :D I'm sure theres an answer. I don't know how it works exactly , but I would imagine that the more people that watch their streams, the sponsors probably pay them more, or perhaps if they get people to buy stuff from their sponsors they get a cut of it. In addition, they have people that subscribe to their streams which basically gives each of them a monthly income, and they also get donations and anything like that.
The vast majority of the money that made this possible was from a fundraiser. Which isn't constant income. I don't know the numbers with how much streamers make, they keep it so secret  Regardless they have 3 people streaming currently with 940 viewers, that seems low. With the sub feature, they would have needed over 1700 subs just to cover the airfare. Their sponsor list seems small as well. This endeavor was brought to you by generous fans.
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