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DRob
Profile Joined May 2012
United States30 Posts
July 04 2013 09:32 GMT
#381
I would have put Mvp at 5. Otherwise good list.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
July 04 2013 09:33 GMT
#382
On July 04 2013 18:17 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 18:14 painkilla wrote:
On July 04 2013 17:57 fishjie wrote:
lol at all this hate

kespa >>>> esf

the elephants article predicted it long ago. it didn't come true in WOL because WOL was a crap game that rewarded 1a deathballs. having good mechanics was meaningless. also too many coin flippy situations as a result of too many strong all ins due to poor game design. now that HOTS (at least for now) rewards mechanics, the kespa elephant stampede has begun, and it will not reverse.


These kinds of obnoxious posts really make me don't want to be a Kespa fan. I used to like Bogus a lot at the end of WoL but not so much now.

To be fair, he seems to just be a troll. Rather than representative of fans of KeSPA players.


umm im just responding to all these trolls who are whining that kespa players are being ranked so high and that there is some kind of kespa bias. fact is, kespa players are dominating right now. tournaments in korea should always hold far more weight than tournaments outside korea, since koreans would have to deal with jet lag and other such travel issues that make them perform at less than 100%.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3753 Posts
July 04 2013 09:33 GMT
#383
On July 04 2013 18:20 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 18:14 nimdil wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On July 04 2013 06:33 Swiv wrote:
A ♥ to the author for writing Jürgen instead of Jurgen.


I have love for none of them. It was kinda funny the first week but now it's just silly. And it never made any sense either, it's not even a Polish name. The fuck?

Thanks for the rank and thread. I find it interesting and the following discussions always delivers. ^^

Edit: Oh, and look out for HyuN. The guy is really starting to get his HotS on.

Why should he be named with polish name? Polish started to be powerful european kingdom only in XVth century and on the top of alliance with Lithuania while Germany was mainstay power throughout most of the middle ages and unlike all other kingdoms, kings of germany could be elected emperor's so it makes more sense to call him with german name. Also considering Mvp won WCS EU (in Germany) and IEM Cologne (in Germany) it may be that the only country Mvp visited in EU is Germany. So if Forgg is called with some fancy french name (because he lives there), Mvp can only be called with german.

I hope someone's come up with a fancy French name for Forgg. I think it's already happened but I can't remember it.


Some going through archives I found this:
On June 07 2013 20:29 Mensol wrote:
de Jürgen "Mvp" Jong Hyun
fr Pierre "forGG" Delacroix
us Sam "aLive" Johnson
us David "Alicia" Wilson

4 foreigners vs 4 Koreans, suck it Korea!!!!!11

slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 09:43:43
July 04 2013 09:43 GMT
#384
On July 04 2013 18:33 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 18:17 slowbacontron wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:14 painkilla wrote:
On July 04 2013 17:57 fishjie wrote:
lol at all this hate

kespa >>>> esf

the elephants article predicted it long ago. it didn't come true in WOL because WOL was a crap game that rewarded 1a deathballs. having good mechanics was meaningless. also too many coin flippy situations as a result of too many strong all ins due to poor game design. now that HOTS (at least for now) rewards mechanics, the kespa elephant stampede has begun, and it will not reverse.


These kinds of obnoxious posts really make me don't want to be a Kespa fan. I used to like Bogus a lot at the end of WoL but not so much now.

To be fair, he seems to just be a troll. Rather than representative of fans of KeSPA players.


umm im just responding to all these trolls who are whining that kespa players are being ranked so high and that there is some kind of kespa bias. fact is, kespa players are dominating right now. tournaments in korea should always hold far more weight than tournaments outside korea, since koreans would have to deal with jet lag and other such travel issues that make them perform at less than 100%.

KeSPA players are definitely performing very well and it looks like they will continue to do so, but a few non-KeSPA players still have a legitimate claim to being top-tier players through their results and gameplay.

Nimdil: Nice. We'll see if it catches on or not.
jjakji fan
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 09:53:03
July 04 2013 09:49 GMT
#385
On July 04 2013 18:33 nimdil wrote:
Some going through archives I found this:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 20:29 Mensol wrote:
de Jürgen "Mvp" Jong Hyun
fr Pierre "forGG" Delacroix
us Sam "aLive" Johnson
us David "Alicia" Wilson

4 foreigners vs 4 Koreans, suck it Korea!!!!!11



eu Foreigners fighting! eu
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
July 04 2013 09:54 GMT
#386
On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote:
My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.

Mvp should be ranked higher.

First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.

Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?

It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).

Personally, I would rank the players like so:

10. TaeJa
9. Polt
8. FanTaSy
7. sOs
6. Mvp
5. JangBi
4. Flash
3. Rain
2. Soulkey
1. INnoVation

Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.

Would agree with this post the most in the thread.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
July 04 2013 10:00 GMT
#387
- Fanta should probably be lower after that OSL series where he got crushed and Anyppi needs a CBNC or special mention only because of he played there. (But that was before the ranking was written, So...)

- I love that you are noticing how beastly Jangbi is. Good call to give him #6 imo.

Sold ranking over all.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
July 04 2013 10:10 GMT
#388
Great, love to read these power ranks!
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cool G
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia11 Posts
July 04 2013 11:09 GMT
#389
No way Polt and Taeja should be in the top ten. Who did Polt even have to beat to win that MLG? Naniwa, Dear and Hyun; that's weaker than most WCS korea ro32 groups. And his last tournament Stockholm he got knocked out in groups by HuK and Grubby? Meanwhile players making consistent ro16+ korea (PartinG, Bomber, etc) in the toughest competition get no mentions...
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
July 04 2013 11:14 GMT
#390
Polt had a pretty easy run at MLG. And the last series against Hyun he almost lost, while the last game was just them both being nervous and doing basic mistakes and whoever got lucky won. And let's not forget Polt performance before which wasn't good at all. I'd say there's dozens of players who deserve that spot more than polt.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44240 Posts
July 04 2013 12:21 GMT
#391
if taeja made it to top 10 .. how the hell did jaedong not make it ?! ? although JvP still sucks but he beated good players(not rain level) .. but his zvz is top notch .. and his zvt is now scary .. he even killed taeja in a convincing way .. also gumiho .. and a couple of other good terrans(not flash/innovation level)
this is a quote
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 04 2013 13:12 GMT
#392
It's a power rank, not a skill rank.

With money comes power, and Taeja and Polt both won money.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 04 2013 13:22 GMT
#393
On July 04 2013 18:33 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 18:20 slowbacontron wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:14 nimdil wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On July 04 2013 06:33 Swiv wrote:
A ♥ to the author for writing Jürgen instead of Jurgen.


I have love for none of them. It was kinda funny the first week but now it's just silly. And it never made any sense either, it's not even a Polish name. The fuck?

Thanks for the rank and thread. I find it interesting and the following discussions always delivers. ^^

Edit: Oh, and look out for HyuN. The guy is really starting to get his HotS on.

Why should he be named with polish name? Polish started to be powerful european kingdom only in XVth century and on the top of alliance with Lithuania while Germany was mainstay power throughout most of the middle ages and unlike all other kingdoms, kings of germany could be elected emperor's so it makes more sense to call him with german name. Also considering Mvp won WCS EU (in Germany) and IEM Cologne (in Germany) it may be that the only country Mvp visited in EU is Germany. So if Forgg is called with some fancy french name (because he lives there), Mvp can only be called with german.

I hope someone's come up with a fancy French name for Forgg. I think it's already happened but I can't remember it.


Some going through archives I found this:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 20:29 Mensol wrote:
de Jürgen "Mvp" Jong Hyun
fr Pierre "forGG" Delacroix
us Sam "aLive" Johnson
us David "Alicia" Wilson

4 foreigners vs 4 Koreans, suck it Korea!!!!!11


Actually Godwrath found that name

On June 07 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:39 Big J wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:37 Makro wrote:
dimaga out ... so now european, what should we do ?

go fr forgg and de mvp ! haha


improved that for you
eu fighting


We need a french name for forGG. What about fr Pierre "forGG" Delacroix

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
July 04 2013 13:40 GMT
#394
Not sure how I feel about the formatting on this.

Pretty solid power rank though, little to complain about. Thanks!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 04 2013 15:12 GMT
#395
On July 04 2013 18:33 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 18:20 slowbacontron wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:14 nimdil wrote:
On July 04 2013 18:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On July 04 2013 06:33 Swiv wrote:
A ♥ to the author for writing Jürgen instead of Jurgen.


I have love for none of them. It was kinda funny the first week but now it's just silly. And it never made any sense either, it's not even a Polish name. The fuck?

Thanks for the rank and thread. I find it interesting and the following discussions always delivers. ^^

Edit: Oh, and look out for HyuN. The guy is really starting to get his HotS on.

Why should he be named with polish name? Polish started to be powerful european kingdom only in XVth century and on the top of alliance with Lithuania while Germany was mainstay power throughout most of the middle ages and unlike all other kingdoms, kings of germany could be elected emperor's so it makes more sense to call him with german name. Also considering Mvp won WCS EU (in Germany) and IEM Cologne (in Germany) it may be that the only country Mvp visited in EU is Germany. So if Forgg is called with some fancy french name (because he lives there), Mvp can only be called with german.

I hope someone's come up with a fancy French name for Forgg. I think it's already happened but I can't remember it.


Some going through archives I found this:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 20:29 Mensol wrote:
de Jürgen "Mvp" Jong Hyun
fr Pierre "forGG" Delacroix
us Sam "aLive" Johnson
us David "Alicia" Wilson

4 foreigners vs 4 Koreans, suck it Korea!!!!!11




Sam Johnson sounds like a porno name.
Asarha
Profile Joined January 2012
France71 Posts
July 04 2013 18:06 GMT
#396
I think the fact that Symbol looks like the most constant kr player for a year (every time in code S, and 4 time in the RO8 at least) should make him in this top10 'cause there's no other KR player who's so constant in his result.
http://isday9dead.com/
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 18:42:09
July 04 2013 18:39 GMT
#397
Hmmm. Jürgen should at least be one place above Fantasy, if not slightly higher. I cant see him being dismantled by any player like Fantasy was against First. And he played way better than I expected against Innovation. Flash couldn't deliver. Mvp is always strong when odds are against him.

And yes I am Mvp fanboy, but seriously, who doesn't want that Mvp from early WoL days back?
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
July 04 2013 18:45 GMT
#398
c'mon korean terrans, you can take up all 10 spots next month! :D
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
July 04 2013 18:57 GMT
#399
On July 05 2013 03:06 Asarha wrote:
I think the fact that Symbol looks like the most constant kr player for a year (every time in code S, and 4 time in the RO8 at least) should make him in this top10 'cause there's no other KR player who's so constant in his result.

His consistency in GSL reminds me of Parting. In fact, checking Liquipedia shows that Symbol has had even better results on average in GSL than Parting has, though he hasn't been in Code S for as long.
jjakji fan
Asarha
Profile Joined January 2012
France71 Posts
July 04 2013 19:48 GMT
#400
If you look at his results, they're pretty insane. In one and a half year, he was
GSL: Code A ro24, and then only code S, RO8, RO8, RO16, 2nd, RO4, and now RO16 in the current GSL.
Ironsquid: 2nd & RO16
MLG: RO40, 2nd, RO12,
IPL: RO6
HSC: 2nd

He's not a bonjwa like "I'm gonna win", but he's always going far.

And you're right, Parting has a pretty good results in GSL. I think we should try to check wich player are consistent, 'cause I'm tired of all these "OMG HE'S SO GOOD" who disappear 4month later. (hello Dongraegu, Jakji, Seed, Life)
http://isday9dead.com/
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