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On July 04 2013 17:06 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:03 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 16:59 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 16:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 04 2013 16:26 408xParadox wrote:
10. Taeja: Won HSC7 and got deep at Dreamhack? Stomped some foreigners and gets #10 over Symbol who is top 16 in the OSL right now, and has had multiple deep runs in the last three GSL's?
9. Polt: Wins an MLG against foreigners, why is he considered?
8. Mvp: Even the description says why he shouldn't be top 10.
7. Fantasy: I actually agree with this one. (Before the games against First.) RO16 OSL and tearing up Proleague.
6. Jangbi: Tearing up Proleague, but didn't make RO16 in the OSL, could be top 10, but definitely not #6. More along the lines of a 9 or 10.
5. sOs: Totally agree.
4. Rain: Totally agree
3. Flash: Totally agree.
2. Soulkey: Totally agree.
1. INnoVation: Totally agree. Yeah, KESPA all the way. Why not take the top 10 ranking of PL and be done with it. Here you go, the 10 best SC2 players in the world nice and easy, just copy-paste PL statistic page: 1:Flash 2:Rain 3:INnoVation 4:sOs 5:Hydra 6: Zest 7:Roro 8:herO 9:Effort 10:Soulkey Anyone who thinks Hydra, Zest, RorO, herO and EffOrt are among the Top20 players are delusional. Why are you so butthurt about their methodology anyway? Fact is, Proleague has more games. People will value someone who is 20-5 much more than someone who is 5-1. lichter, you're confusing me. You say that Proleague is a valid way to evaluate players' performances in SC2, but precede that by saying #s 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 in Proleague (as of Round 5) are clearly not top 20? That list includes Wings of Liberty games, which is irrelevant to today's power rank because this is a different game. Also, form during the last two months is important. Those players have been pretty crummy in the HoTS rounds. I still laugh when I see Hydra is the best zerg, because as I mentioned earlier that is totes a sack of zergballs
I still have to agree with 4ZakeN87 in that Proleague alone cannot make a Power Rank. Just because many players cannot stay in Korea or are not part of a Proleague team should not automatically disqualify them from being a top 10 player. If they cannot display their skill in Proleague, they will display it in other events. Polt won MLG and was pretty dominant there. He even beat a good Proleague player in Dear along the way. What else do people need to be convinced he deserves a spot in the PR?
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Seeing Jangbi and Fantasy above Mvp is disgusting and not acceptable.
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On July 04 2013 17:16 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 16:50 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 16:47 asdfOu wrote:On July 04 2013 05:20 Yonnua wrote:
Mvp narrowly loses to Innovation in WCS semis, nearly takes him out, certainly coming closer than anybody else at that tournament. Eighth place.
BUT JANGBI AND FANTASY DID REALLY WELL IN PROLEAGUE GUYS!!! this explains the meaning of life^ I'm still not entirely sold on MVP. All the players that Mvp beat in WCS Finals (Ryung, Kangho, forGG) are way better than your average Kespa players, which again are the source of most wins (hence power rank points) for your favorite Kespa players (Flash, Rain, Fantasy etc). That and the close series with Innovation.
forGG? no sir. No, no, no. lol Ryung has been lighting it up in GSTL and LosirA is sort of having a resurgence but please don't try to sell me that can of worms when it comes to forGG.
On July 04 2013 17:18 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:06 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 17:03 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 16:59 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 16:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 04 2013 16:26 408xParadox wrote:
10. Taeja: Won HSC7 and got deep at Dreamhack? Stomped some foreigners and gets #10 over Symbol who is top 16 in the OSL right now, and has had multiple deep runs in the last three GSL's?
9. Polt: Wins an MLG against foreigners, why is he considered?
8. Mvp: Even the description says why he shouldn't be top 10.
7. Fantasy: I actually agree with this one. (Before the games against First.) RO16 OSL and tearing up Proleague.
6. Jangbi: Tearing up Proleague, but didn't make RO16 in the OSL, could be top 10, but definitely not #6. More along the lines of a 9 or 10.
5. sOs: Totally agree.
4. Rain: Totally agree
3. Flash: Totally agree.
2. Soulkey: Totally agree.
1. INnoVation: Totally agree. Yeah, KESPA all the way. Why not take the top 10 ranking of PL and be done with it. Here you go, the 10 best SC2 players in the world nice and easy, just copy-paste PL statistic page: 1:Flash 2:Rain 3:INnoVation 4:sOs 5:Hydra 6: Zest 7:Roro 8:herO 9:Effort 10:Soulkey Anyone who thinks Hydra, Zest, RorO, herO and EffOrt are among the Top20 players are delusional. Why are you so butthurt about their methodology anyway? Fact is, Proleague has more games. People will value someone who is 20-5 much more than someone who is 5-1. lichter, you're confusing me. You say that Proleague is a valid way to evaluate players' performances in SC2, but precede that by saying #s 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 in Proleague (as of Round 5) are clearly not top 20? That list includes Wings of Liberty games, which is irrelevant to today's power rank because this is a different game. Also, form during the last two months is important. Those players have been pretty crummy in the HoTS rounds. I still laugh when I see Hydra is the best zerg, because as I mentioned earlier that is totes a sack of zergballs I still have to agree with 4ZakeN87 in that Proleague alone cannot make a Power Rank. Just because many players cannot stay in Korea or are not part of a Proleague team should not automatically disqualify them from being a top 10 player. If they cannot display their skill in Proleague, they will display it in other events. Polt won MLG and was pretty dominant there. He even beat a good Proleague player in Dear along the way. What else do people need to be convinced he deserves a spot in the PR?
All about more games being played buddy. Unfortunately the GSTL always had a lackluster format when it comes down to the amount of players you'll see involved. At the end of the day they just don't give us enough looks at their players. I barely get to see anything from the GSTL. Whereas, I get Pro League a ridiculous amount.
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These power rankings are really great. well done!
Would it be possible to consider a foreigner only powerrank ? T_T
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On July 04 2013 16:59 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 16:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 04 2013 16:26 408xParadox wrote:
10. Taeja: Won HSC7 and got deep at Dreamhack? Stomped some foreigners and gets #10 over Symbol who is top 16 in the OSL right now, and has had multiple deep runs in the last three GSL's?
9. Polt: Wins an MLG against foreigners, why is he considered?
8. Mvp: Even the description says why he shouldn't be top 10.
7. Fantasy: I actually agree with this one. (Before the games against First.) RO16 OSL and tearing up Proleague.
6. Jangbi: Tearing up Proleague, but didn't make RO16 in the OSL, could be top 10, but definitely not #6. More along the lines of a 9 or 10.
5. sOs: Totally agree.
4. Rain: Totally agree
3. Flash: Totally agree.
2. Soulkey: Totally agree.
1. INnoVation: Totally agree. Yeah, KESPA all the way. Why not take the top 10 ranking of PL and be done with it. Here you go, the 10 best SC2 players in the world nice and easy, just copy-paste PL statistic page: 1:Flash 2:Rain 3:INnoVation 4:sOs 5:Hydra 6: Zest 7:Roro 8:herO 9:Effort 10:Soulkey Anyone who thinks Hydra, Zest, RorO, herO and EffOrt are among the Top20 players are delusional. Why are you so butthurt about their methodology anyway? Fact is, Proleague has more games. People will value someone who is 20-5 much more than someone who is 5-1.
Why are you debating the list ? He was making a point that if we are going to be so Kespa biased, might as well focus
only on PL.
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It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league.
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On July 04 2013 17:20 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:16 painkilla wrote:On July 04 2013 16:50 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 16:47 asdfOu wrote:On July 04 2013 05:20 Yonnua wrote:
Mvp narrowly loses to Innovation in WCS semis, nearly takes him out, certainly coming closer than anybody else at that tournament. Eighth place.
BUT JANGBI AND FANTASY DID REALLY WELL IN PROLEAGUE GUYS!!! this explains the meaning of life^ I'm still not entirely sold on MVP. All the players that Mvp beat in WCS Finals (Ryung, Kangho, forGG) are way better than your average Kespa players, which again are the source of most wins (hence power rank points) for your favorite Kespa players (Flash, Rain, Fantasy etc). That and the close series with Innovation. forGG? no sir. No, no, no. lol Ryung has been lighting it up in GSTL and LosirA is sort of having a resurgence but please don't try to sell me that can of worms when it comes to forGG.
What's wrong with forGG ? Didn't he top his WCS group, beating sOs and Hero?
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On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league.
The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse.
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Cant wait to see Flash destroy Innovation in 30 mins time! Love the power rank, it's what teamliquid.net is all about 
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On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse.
The list is written by a few passionate and experienced guys. However, there are enough of those around that you could ask others (just pick 3 foreign pros at will) and they would produce a different list.
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On July 04 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:20 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 17:16 painkilla wrote:On July 04 2013 16:50 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 16:47 asdfOu wrote:On July 04 2013 05:20 Yonnua wrote:
Mvp narrowly loses to Innovation in WCS semis, nearly takes him out, certainly coming closer than anybody else at that tournament. Eighth place.
BUT JANGBI AND FANTASY DID REALLY WELL IN PROLEAGUE GUYS!!! this explains the meaning of life^ I'm still not entirely sold on MVP. All the players that Mvp beat in WCS Finals (Ryung, Kangho, forGG) are way better than your average Kespa players, which again are the source of most wins (hence power rank points) for your favorite Kespa players (Flash, Rain, Fantasy etc). That and the close series with Innovation. forGG? no sir. No, no, no. lol Ryung has been lighting it up in GSTL and LosirA is sort of having a resurgence but please don't try to sell me that can of worms when it comes to forGG. What's wrong with forGG ? Didn't he top his WCS group, beating sOs and Hero?
Remember what I said about sample size? forGG is no better than your average KeSPA player. In PL I can see him as a 50-50 player tops. As for the WCS Finals. It leaves way more to be desired man, but if you want to talk sample size. Sure,forGG beat those guys & MVP got through his group by the skin of his teeth. Sometimes it helps to have a little lady luck on your side.
On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse.
When you've been around long enough and used to manage a team. You sort of get an idea of where your players will fit in your roster. As I just wrote, I can see forGG winning roughly fifty percent of his matches if I were to throw him into PL right now. Not much more than that. That's between all match-ups, which isn't that bad because it would mean he would be a regular but if you look at the current stats. That means he would be pretty average KeSPA player. ;/
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MLG is a weekend event where players play a lot of games in a row. It just doesn't seem like the same strict skill test that PL has, where players have a long time to prepare with their team. It eliminates a lot of other factors that weekend events have like fatigue, jetlag, or scouting your opponents builds from earlier in the tournament.
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Very much agree with Jangbi, he is not only playing really well, but has the collected, clutch personality that makes him a true ace player like Flash. Guy´s a star.
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On July 04 2013 17:18 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:06 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 17:03 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 16:59 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 16:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 04 2013 16:26 408xParadox wrote:
10. Taeja: Won HSC7 and got deep at Dreamhack? Stomped some foreigners and gets #10 over Symbol who is top 16 in the OSL right now, and has had multiple deep runs in the last three GSL's?
9. Polt: Wins an MLG against foreigners, why is he considered?
8. Mvp: Even the description says why he shouldn't be top 10.
7. Fantasy: I actually agree with this one. (Before the games against First.) RO16 OSL and tearing up Proleague.
6. Jangbi: Tearing up Proleague, but didn't make RO16 in the OSL, could be top 10, but definitely not #6. More along the lines of a 9 or 10.
5. sOs: Totally agree.
4. Rain: Totally agree
3. Flash: Totally agree.
2. Soulkey: Totally agree.
1. INnoVation: Totally agree. Yeah, KESPA all the way. Why not take the top 10 ranking of PL and be done with it. Here you go, the 10 best SC2 players in the world nice and easy, just copy-paste PL statistic page: 1:Flash 2:Rain 3:INnoVation 4:sOs 5:Hydra 6: Zest 7:Roro 8:herO 9:Effort 10:Soulkey Anyone who thinks Hydra, Zest, RorO, herO and EffOrt are among the Top20 players are delusional. Why are you so butthurt about their methodology anyway? Fact is, Proleague has more games. People will value someone who is 20-5 much more than someone who is 5-1. lichter, you're confusing me. You say that Proleague is a valid way to evaluate players' performances in SC2, but precede that by saying #s 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 in Proleague (as of Round 5) are clearly not top 20? That list includes Wings of Liberty games, which is irrelevant to today's power rank because this is a different game. Also, form during the last two months is important. Those players have been pretty crummy in the HoTS rounds. I still laugh when I see Hydra is the best zerg, because as I mentioned earlier that is totes a sack of zergballs I still have to agree with 4ZakeN87 in that Proleague alone cannot make a Power Rank. Just because many players cannot stay in Korea or are not part of a Proleague team should not automatically disqualify them from being a top 10 player. If they cannot display their skill in Proleague, they will display it in other events. Polt won MLG and was pretty dominant there. He even beat a good Proleague player in Dear along the way. What else do people need to be convinced he deserves a spot in the PR?
I never said Polt and his MLG performance didn't deserve his spot. I'd even rate his month better than Rain's, who I felt had a poor June.
I also mentioned that I think that the fact Proleague has more games skews the rankings, but that isn't the fault of the writers or Proleague or the players. The fact is, that's the data we have. Who would you favor, someone who is 20-5 or someone who is 5-1? Technically 5-1 has a better win percentage, but the number of games from someone who is 20-5 makes you more certain of their skill. I am not saying I agree with the rankings (I don't), but it is difficult to disagree with their methodology when Proleague has the most amount of games, and other potential Top 10 players (based on skill alone) just don't play enough games for us to be certain of their current level. Now that OSL is in Ro16, I am certain that it will weigh heavier on the Power Rankings, and eliminated players such as JangBi will get bounced out.
On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse.
It is difficult to rank based on uncertainty. We are talking about ranking players who are roughly equal in skill and accomplishments in just a few spots. Everyone from 10-5 can be switched around and it'd still be a believable, arguable list. When there is that level of uncertainty, a writer's opinion begins to weigh more because he must make the judgment call of ordering the players. Had Mvp/Polt/Taeja ranked higher than JangBi/Fantasy/Rain we (TL.net) would still be having this discussion.
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On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse.
The uncertainty can also be turned around the other direction. How certain are we that if Jangbi or Fantasy
were put in Taeja's and Polt's tournament they would win?
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On July 04 2013 17:37 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse. The uncertainty can also be turned around the other direction. How certain are we that if Jangbi or Fantasy were put in Taeja's and Polt's tournament they would win?
Jangbi has experience overseas. He'd be a threat.
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On July 04 2013 17:37 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse. The uncertainty can also be turned around the other direction. How certain are we that if Jangbi or Fantasy were put in Taeja's and Polt's tournament they would win?
And that is why this is a opinion piece.
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On July 04 2013 17:34 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote:On July 04 2013 17:20 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 17:16 painkilla wrote:On July 04 2013 16:50 StarStruck wrote:On July 04 2013 16:47 asdfOu wrote:On July 04 2013 05:20 Yonnua wrote:
Mvp narrowly loses to Innovation in WCS semis, nearly takes him out, certainly coming closer than anybody else at that tournament. Eighth place.
BUT JANGBI AND FANTASY DID REALLY WELL IN PROLEAGUE GUYS!!! this explains the meaning of life^ I'm still not entirely sold on MVP. All the players that Mvp beat in WCS Finals (Ryung, Kangho, forGG) are way better than your average Kespa players, which again are the source of most wins (hence power rank points) for your favorite Kespa players (Flash, Rain, Fantasy etc). That and the close series with Innovation. forGG? no sir. No, no, no. lol Ryung has been lighting it up in GSTL and LosirA is sort of having a resurgence but please don't try to sell me that can of worms when it comes to forGG. What's wrong with forGG ? Didn't he top his WCS group, beating sOs and Hero? Remember what I said about sample size? forGG is no better than your average KeSPA player. In PL I can see him as a 50-50 player tops. As for the WCS Finals. It leaves way more to be desired man, but if you want to talk sample size. Sure,forGG beat those guys & MVP got through his group by the skin of his teeth. Sometimes it helps to have a little lady luck on your side.
Well mvp does that very often. You can say luck, someone else can say it is mental toughness. He also showed that in the Innovation series. This is another thing that PL games can't measure.
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On July 04 2013 17:36 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:18 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 17:06 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 17:03 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 16:59 lichter wrote:On July 04 2013 16:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 04 2013 16:26 408xParadox wrote:
10. Taeja: Won HSC7 and got deep at Dreamhack? Stomped some foreigners and gets #10 over Symbol who is top 16 in the OSL right now, and has had multiple deep runs in the last three GSL's?
9. Polt: Wins an MLG against foreigners, why is he considered?
8. Mvp: Even the description says why he shouldn't be top 10.
7. Fantasy: I actually agree with this one. (Before the games against First.) RO16 OSL and tearing up Proleague.
6. Jangbi: Tearing up Proleague, but didn't make RO16 in the OSL, could be top 10, but definitely not #6. More along the lines of a 9 or 10.
5. sOs: Totally agree.
4. Rain: Totally agree
3. Flash: Totally agree.
2. Soulkey: Totally agree.
1. INnoVation: Totally agree. Yeah, KESPA all the way. Why not take the top 10 ranking of PL and be done with it. Here you go, the 10 best SC2 players in the world nice and easy, just copy-paste PL statistic page: 1:Flash 2:Rain 3:INnoVation 4:sOs 5:Hydra 6: Zest 7:Roro 8:herO 9:Effort 10:Soulkey Anyone who thinks Hydra, Zest, RorO, herO and EffOrt are among the Top20 players are delusional. Why are you so butthurt about their methodology anyway? Fact is, Proleague has more games. People will value someone who is 20-5 much more than someone who is 5-1. lichter, you're confusing me. You say that Proleague is a valid way to evaluate players' performances in SC2, but precede that by saying #s 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 in Proleague (as of Round 5) are clearly not top 20? That list includes Wings of Liberty games, which is irrelevant to today's power rank because this is a different game. Also, form during the last two months is important. Those players have been pretty crummy in the HoTS rounds. I still laugh when I see Hydra is the best zerg, because as I mentioned earlier that is totes a sack of zergballs I still have to agree with 4ZakeN87 in that Proleague alone cannot make a Power Rank. Just because many players cannot stay in Korea or are not part of a Proleague team should not automatically disqualify them from being a top 10 player. If they cannot display their skill in Proleague, they will display it in other events. Polt won MLG and was pretty dominant there. He even beat a good Proleague player in Dear along the way. What else do people need to be convinced he deserves a spot in the PR? I never said Polt and his MLG performance didn't deserve his spot. I'd even rate his month better than Rain's, who I felt had a poor June. I also mentioned that I think that the fact Proleague has more games skews the rankings, but that isn't the fault of the writers or Proleague or the players. The fact is, that's the data we have. Who would you favor, someone who is 20-5 or someone who is 5-1? Technically 5-1 has a better win percentage, but the number of games from someone who is 20-5 makes you more certain of their skill. I am not saying I agree with the rankings (I don't), but it is difficult to disagree with their methodology when Proleague has the most amount of games, and other potential Top 10 players (based on skill alone) just don't play enough games for us to be certain of their current level. Now that OSL is in Ro16, I am certain that it will weigh heavier on the Power Rankings, and eliminated players such as JangBi will get bounced out. Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 17:28 slowbacontron wrote:On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league. The skill level of players outside of Proleague like Polt and Mvp might be more uncertain to us due to small amount of data, but that doesn't mean the players are worse. It is difficult to rank based on uncertainty. We are talking about ranking players who are roughly equal in skill and accomplishments in just a few spots. Everyone from 10-5 can be switched around and it'd still be a believable, arguable list. When there is that level of uncertainty, a writer's opinion begins to weigh more because he must make the judgment call of ordering the players. Had Mvp/Polt/Taeja ranked higher than JangBi/Fantasy/Rain we (TL.net) would still be having this discussion.
My argument for Polt traces back to Paradox's post, so it may be a little bit less relevant here. I also think Mvp/Polt/Taeja are fine where they are and that it would be a little weird if they were switched with JangBi/Fanta/Rain. But it just doesn't sit well with me that players who don't participate in Proleague are given such a hard time by some people here. For example, what if Innovation didn't play in Proleague? He would still be just as skilled, but wouldn't have a large number of games to back it up. Consequently, it could be argued that he wouldn't be number 1...regardless of the fact that his skill level would be the same. It's just something I feel uncomfortable about.
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On July 04 2013 17:25 StarStruck wrote:
It's not so much KeSPA biased as it is data biased. You go by the data you have. Not by the data you don't. I have no problem with that. Cannot wait to see all teams under one league.
This!
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