EPTSC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 21
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tuho12345
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Sevre
Ireland619 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:20 Sevre wrote: Eh, it's really difficult to comment on these Power Ranks because of the metrics used, I'm not sure if Ro32 OSL results stack up against winning HSC or MLG. Oh really? lol. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
Even though the level of play in OSL and Proleague is much higher than in HSC or MLG, he has a point in that actually winning events, going to the end and finishing the job, does take a skill in itself. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:41 slowbacontron wrote: Even though the level of play in OSL and Proleague is much higher than in HSC or MLG, he has a point in that actually winning events, going to the end and finishing the job, does take a skill in itself. There has to be points for actually winning some tournament. And the points has to be higher than a couple of wins here and there in PL. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:44 painkilla wrote: There has to be points for actually winning some tournament. And the points has to be higher than a couple of wins here and there in PL. A couple? Yeah okay there boss. You guys can keep telling yourselves that all you want. Just like those players only had to go through a couple of landmines in those tournaments, no? hohoho. | ||
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gosublade
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
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Aber
Sweden332 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:56 StarStruck wrote: A couple? Yeah okay there boss. You guys can keep telling yourselves that all you want. Just like those players only had to go through a couple of landmines in those tournaments, no? hohoho. What is measured in a "Power Rank" and how they contribute to said rank are somewhat ambiguous though. How many parts skill, how many parts results, how many parts 'power' or influence or prestige? Because even though MLG and HSC were arguably easier than a few rounds of Proleague (assuming you get difficult draws), MLG and HSC paid out a lot of money. And we all know the relationship between money and power. It's difficult to deny that actually earning money is important in competition, and regardless of difficulty, that giant cheque matters. It's not all about skill, or else we'd call this a Skill Rank. I'd say winning $10,000 for a weekend's work is a lot more notable and 'powerful' than winning a few rounds of Proleague, despite the latter being more difficult. Again how the writers weigh these variables is up to them, but to suggest that winning a few games in Proleague is unequivocally more significant in a Power Rank (that includes fame and fortune) than winning $10,000.. I can't believe that. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
Anything else we want to say? No, nothing in particular. Nothing? Uh, not really. I see what you did there! Loved it, great joke. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 11:32 lichter wrote: What is measured in a "Power Rank" and how they contribute to said rank are somewhat ambiguous though. How many parts skill, how many parts results, how many parts 'power' or influence or prestige? Because even though MLG and HSC were arguably easier than a few rounds of Proleague (assuming you get difficult draws), MLG and HSC paid out a lot of money. And we all know the relationship between money and power. It's difficult to deny that actually earning money is important in competition, and regardless of difficulty, that giant cheque matters. It's not all about skill, or else we'd call this a Skill Rank. I'd say winning $10,000 for a weekend's work is a lot more notable and 'powerful' than winning a few rounds of Proleague, despite the latter being more difficult. Again how the writers weigh these variables is up to them, but to suggest that winning a few games in Proleague is unequivocally more significant in a Power Rank (that includes fame and fortune) than winning $10,000.. I can't believe that. Only reason you can say that now is because there is a stupid amount of things going on whereas in BW there wasn't. Why you think it took them so long just to bring this back in the first place? That's what happens when you have no centralization and all sorts of shit going down. If your an outsider looking in it's pretty difficult to follow. They wouldn't know where to start and every tournament would just confuse them more. In PL they can sort of assume where each player will go. Hence the land of many mirrors and sometimes you get the occassional. Okay, they're going to send out so-and-so here so we'll put you here because you match-up well against them and their race. In this specific case I think it boils down what were you in and how did you fair opposed to exactly how much they're bringing in because lets face it. You won't get everyone under one roof and lookie what I want to see happen. Get everyone under the same roof. Until then we'll always be comparing the stupid tournaments. PL is not only one of the premiere leagues but the players embrace it as such too and we're not just talking about winning a couple pro league matches. We're talking about a lot. I most certainly can when some guys only have several difficult series to go through on their way to what you call a prominent championship. In some cases it's only a few. Sorry Taeja but I don't buy it. It goes back to what I said about playing minesweeper and the different difficulties. They're separate beasts and should be treated as such. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:03 Nerchio wrote: I was scrolling down the list to see my nickname on the 1st place only to see my nickname mistaken? How can you spell "Nerchio" as INnoVation who r u again...? :> | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 05 2013 13:10 StarStruck wrote: Only reason you can say that now is because there is a stupid amount of things going on whereas in BW there wasn't. Why you think it took them so long just to bring this back in the first place? That's what happens when you have no centralization and all sorts of shit going down. If your an outsider looking in it's pretty difficult to follow. They wouldn't know where to start and every tournament would just confuse them more. In PL they can sort of assume where each player will go. Hence the land of many mirrors and sometimes you get the occassional. Okay, they're going to send out so-and-so here so we'll put you here because you match-up well against them and their race. In this specific case I think it boils down what were you in and how did you fair opposed to exactly how much they're bringing in because lets face it. You won't get everyone under one roof and lookie what I want to see happen. Get everyone under the same roof. Until then we'll always be comparing the stupid tournaments. PL is not only one of the premiere leagues but the players embrace it as such too and we're not just talking about winning a couple pro league matches. We're talking about a lot. I most certainly can when some guys only have several difficult series to go through on their way to what you call a prominent championship. In some cases it's only a few. Sorry Taeja but I don't buy it. It goes back to what I said about playing minesweeper and the different difficulties. They're separate beasts and should be treated as such. It wasn't very reasonable to make a Power Rank before Proleague appeared, because you'd basically only get Top 10 from GSL and call it a day. It wouldn't have been a very interesting or debatable thread. GSL was the hardest, had the most money, and had the most prestige. Players who won at MLG, DH, IPL, were usually GSL regulars too such as MMA, MKP, DRG, Mvp, Leenock, etc. There wasn't any point in making a Power Rank during that era. However, now we have 3 different WCS (of course not weighed equally), Proleague, GSTL, and the weekender tournaments. There is much more going on and with the separation of 'power' (and money), albeit not equally, it makes more sense to have a power rank to consolidate results and ratings. I'm sure you know by now that I agree that Proleague is far more difficult and arguably shows as much, if not more, skill than an MLG. However you cannot deny the relevance of winning $10,000. As I said this ranking isn't purely based on skill or difficulty of opponents. Winning money matters, and that's why Taeja and Polt are in the rankings. Even if the tournaments were easier, winning that amount of money makes them relevant, notable players during the month of June. This ranking doesn't mean Polt and Taeja are among the Top 10 players based on skill. This just means that in the month of June, they accomplished more, whether that be in results, prizemoney, or prestige. Edit: Essentially you want the rankings to be more indicative of skill, while I agree with the writers that the rankings should encompass more than just a player's abilities. The many disagreements in this thread boil down to what we think a Power Ranking should be, what it should measure, and the methodology used. You might not think much of winning an MLG, but I am sure the thousands of viewers they had think differently. Polt winning MLG is far more influential to the scene than JangBi being great in Proleague. And that my friend is a big part of power. | ||
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KnowNothing
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Creager
Germany1942 Posts
I really hope Jürgen will further climb up! For Germany  | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 05 2013 15:49 painkilla wrote: Mvp's place seems low now in light of the recent Flash-Innovation series lol One builder order win and one bad miscalculation lost that series for Flash. It really showed very little for Innovation. | ||
nimdil
Poland3764 Posts
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Elroi
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