On July 08 2013 06:42 TheUltimateWeapon wrote:
Where is Bomber? amazing performance at GSTL defeating First (who crushed Fantasy) and MC, and 2-1 vs Bbyong at OSL

That all happened after this Power Rank was made, as was Fantasy losing to First the way he did. That's why it wasn't included. I'm pretty sure if this was written after the Fantasy-First game, Fantasy would've been slightly lower than he is now.

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

July 07 2013 22:40 GMT

#446

On July 08 2013 06:42 TheUltimateWeapon wrote:
Where is Bomber? amazing performance at GSTL defeating First (who crushed Fantasy) and MC, and 2-1 vs Bbyong at OSL

not in proleague, ergo not on the list

rift

1819 Posts

July 07 2013 23:52 GMT

#447

I'm comfortable with the first 8, but it feels a little awkward tacking on Polt and Taeja at the end for winning Homestory and MLG...but what can you do.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

July 08 2013 00:45 GMT

#448

On July 08 2013 07:40 Big J wrote:

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not in proleague, ergo not on the list

Yeah, because Taeja, Polt and MVP play so many games in Proleague. Bomber played four games against Koreans in June, going 2-2. Even against foreigners, he only went 4-2; including a loss to Catz, who is 2-9 against terran.

Names

Canada328 Posts

July 08 2013 02:09 GMT

#449

Has been mentioned a few times already but noone fixed it yet! It's not ST_Parting but SKT_Parting!

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 08 2013 09:24 GMT

#450

I don't know if Flash deserves to be 3rd. Too many games I see from him are truly bad, like against Innovation in OSL. I found Rain performing better in the OSL, the games looked much cleaner. But it's a though choice.

Railgan

Switzerland1507 Posts

July 08 2013 09:28 GMT

#451

On July 08 2013 11:09 Names wrote:
Has been mentioned a few times already but noone fixed it yet! It's not ST_Parting but SKT_Parting!

He will always be from Startale in my Heart.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

July 08 2013 10:31 GMT

#452

On July 08 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:
I don't know if Flash deserves to be 3rd. Too many games I see from him are truly bad, like against Innovation in OSL. I found Rain performing better in the OSL, the games looked much cleaner. But it's a though choice.

One game was a pure build order loss and the other he just made one big miscalculation that cost him the game.

aband0ned

South Africa6 Posts

July 08 2013 13:21 GMT

#453

Most of the rankings are good or acceptable to me, however, I just don't see MVP being in 8th place. At the very least, I feel he should have placed 7th or 6th. The "mistakes" of Fantasy should be blatantly obvious that MVP should have placed higher than him because MVP only looses to your top 5 players! His games are virtually flawless, and the only way they can beat him, is when they play at their 110% best! Think about it, when the top players play against MVP, they KNOW they have to bring their A+ game, because he just doesn't make mistakes! The mistakes that Fantasy made would be punished to the max. I just don't see Fantasy being stronger than MVP. Also, dropping down to 5 SCV's, did you actually watch that game? NOBODY would have bet a cent on MVP coming back from that deficit! To begin with, his opponent didn't make mistakes until the end when he started panicking when he realized he had lost the match, MVP just played the most incredible game, going into overdrive and that just goes to show his pedigree! If there was any mistake to be made by his opponent, it's that he underestimated MVP, and I think you do too!

Also, I should have liked to see some mention of MC, even though he's hit a slump, some mention of his current status would have been nice!

Echo Six

United States30 Posts

July 08 2013 13:22 GMT

#454

On July 08 2013 09:45 GolemMadness wrote:

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Taeja does play in Proleague and Polt just won a tournament. Plus MVP did really well in the season finals.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

July 08 2013 13:44 GMT

#455

On July 08 2013 07:04 Neemi wrote:

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Perhaps. He also had a few big wins in PL including that ridiculous comeback against a certain Protoss on that list. Good thing you boys and gals will be seeing it updated every month so stay tuned.

Crownlol

United States3726 Posts

July 08 2013 14:37 GMT

#456

On July 08 2013 06:42 TheUltimateWeapon wrote:
Where is Bomber? amazing performance at GSTL defeating First (who crushed Fantasy) and MC, and 2-1 vs Bbyong at OSL

We can't afford to place that much trust in Bomber, but we love him all the same.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

July 08 2013 23:27 GMT

#457

On July 08 2013 22:22 Echo Six wrote:

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Taeja does play in Proleague and Polt just won a tournament. Plus MVP did really well in the season finals.

In May and June combined, Taeja played three games in Proleague, going 1-2. Wait, so what you're saying is that if people show good results, they can be on the power rank regardless of if they're in Proleague or not? Wow, shocking.

awesomoecalypse

United States2235 Posts

July 08 2013 23:35 GMT

#458

First is so underrated. Best PvT in the world by a good margin imo.

Fuell

Netherlands3111 Posts

July 10 2013 17:03 GMT

#459

I don't know about this Power Rank in general. Personally I love lists and I really like the debate surrounding it which can be a perfectly healthy discussion. However SC2 is still in development and to determine who's better than who is nearly impossible (volatile game). Just look at last week. Number 1 INnoVation dropped a map to Jaedong (who's no ZvT walkover I admit), number 3 Flash getting 2-0'd by Mini, N.4 Rain having an horrible week losing two mirrors versus Pigbaby and First. I say maybe a monthly edition of who had the best performances during that month. For instance First is doing great and he should definately get mentioned, but if he's "the best or the most powerful", I don't know, I think he needs to be more consistent for a longer period.

My two cents

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

July 10 2013 17:12 GMT

#460

There were such fluctuations in Brood War as well - Flash losing to M18M twice, or Fantasy derping out every now and even being sent to the B team temporarily after a string of bad performances. Power Ranks were also rather subjective and "feely" with only a basic foundation in results. Monthly power rank can stay pretty stable even if the player has an off-day or an off-week. I think SC2 is stabilizing in that regard.

The only problem is that there isn't an unified structure to the competition that there was in Brood War. Even WCS doesn't do that for Starcraft 2 - it doesn't matter if you call everything a "WCS" if the scenes are still fundamentally fragmented and there is no truly unifying league that everybody competes in. Still, that only affects Koreans competing in foreign events, and doesn't concern players like First (who I believe should break into the lower ranks in the next edition).