EPTSC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 24
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smashlloyd20
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 11 2013 11:06 smashlloyd20 wrote: I want to see First in the next PR, he's been playing the games of his life recently. Note he is 8-1 in maps in the last month :D Oh he will be. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Daswollvieh
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:52 Dodgin wrote: Joke power rank, plz re-write. It's not a joke powerrank. But they should just cut the eSF players completely and call it a Kespa/Proleague power rank. Then it would be pretty accurate. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:56 Big J wrote: It's not a joke powerrank. But they should just cut the eSF players completely and call it a Kespa/Proleague power rank. Then it would be pretty accurate. Give them more data and then maybe they'll consider it. Otherwise it just sounds like people venting. I take it you guys are watching the OSL atm and it's not like they're going to ignore what's happening for next months so cool your jets. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Life has certainly lost both his luster and his aura of invincibility, and the hopes and dreams of eSF supporters across the land have been shattered as they realized their best chance at a #1 Power Rank placement is now but a whisper in the wind. He's coming.. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/1/1a/LG-IMFirstMLG.jpg/300px-LG-IMFirstMLG.jpg) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 11 2013 21:22 StarStruck wrote: Give them more data and then maybe they'll consider it. Otherwise it just sounds like people venting. I take it you guys are watching the OSL atm and it's not like they're going to ignore what's happening for next months so cool your jets. I agree that there is little data for eSF players. But isn't the point of a power rank to rank players by their results+gameplay and carefully wage the results you have against each other. Proleague having 3times the amount of games of GSTL doesn't diminish top WCS placements or GSTL results or the state of other players in general. After all Proleague isn't anything else but a Teamleague. Something that we have seen dominated by quite mediocre Sololeague players before. I can read OSL results and Proleague results and put them together and I'm gonna end up with ~this powerrank (or rather the last one). That doesn't justify Fantasy, Jangbi and even Flash being placed like they are in a general comparison. Fantasy and Jangbi shouldn't be in there at all. Their results are wacky and their gameplay hights were beating Flash who is overrated at this point (top10 - yes he makes the cut. But top3 - that should require at least one top4 OSL performance in the last few WCS'). On the contrary Rain has already showed that he can be a champion and him not performing as well in the last OSLs is at least partly because he voluntarily droped out of Code S some seasons ago and has that Proleague performance as special icing. Not even gonna start about sOs. They definitely deserve top spots at this point. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 11 2013 21:54 Big J wrote: I agree that there is little data for eSF players. But isn't the point of a power rank to rank players by their results+gameplay and carefully wage the results you have against each other. Proleague having 3times the amount of games of GSTL doesn't diminish top WCS placements or GSTL results or the state of other players in general. After all Proleague isn't anything else but a Teamleague. Something that we have seen dominated by quite mediocre Sololeague players before. I can read OSL results and Proleague results and put them together and I'm gonna end up with ~this powerrank (or rather the last one). That doesn't justify Fantasy, Jangbi and even Flash being placed like they are in a general comparison. Fantasy and Jangbi shouldn't be in there at all. Their results are wacky and their gameplay hights were beating Flash who is overrated at this point (top10 - yes he makes the cut. But top3 - that should require at least one top4 OSL performance in the last few WCS'). On the contrary Rain has already showed that he can be a champion and him not performing as well in the last OSLs is at least partly because he voluntarily droped out of Code S some seasons ago and has that Proleague performance as special icing. Not even gonna start about sOs. They definitely deserve top spots at this point. How many times have we been over this? I rather not sound like a broken record so you can go through my filter if you want in this thread to see what I say. When it comes to something like the OSL there will be more weight there. When you don't have that many credible looks on players as is it's very hard to measure them. The GSTL format sucks and it's always sucked. As for the WCS it's more dependent on who's playing who. How they fair between the three races and any other pivotal benchmarks rather than how they're doing in a WCS placement. It's always been that way. Pro League is the Premiere League. I don't get the mediocre solo-league blurb. It was great at the time considering if you were to go with only qualifiers themselves then guys like Bisu, Stork, Sea, etc. would have been extinct in general in our PL ratings long ago and you say they're mediocre when truth be told the old PRs tell us otherwise. This isn't just one author's opinion for that matter because back then I found myself agreeing with the PR A LOT of times. Why? Because those heavy hitters were playing against top notch competition in PL and winning a ridiculous amount of games even if they didn't qualify for the OSL. You know one of the reasons Rain holds the 2nd best record in PL atm? It's because SKT sends him out in almost every situation and he can get a few kills in All-Kill Format. Just like herO[join] is to CJ; SKT are in the position where they have to play him. I was surprised when I found out he has the highest win rates when I was looking up stats to Ace Matches. I actually found some really shocking results that I was going to write an article about, but then decided not to because there wasn't one true stand out. I will say this though, the two players that seem to love the stress and pressure of the Ace Match from PL are sHy and JangBi. In fact, their records are nearly PERFECT when they're the last two guys to be sent out; whereas, guys like Rain and herO are barely over .500 yet JangBi and sHy got knocked out of the OSL in the round of 32. Meanwhile Rain will probably have to go through a tiebreaker in his group. Next match is a must win for him. Just another reason why we have to weigh out everything instead of looking at one thing, which they don't. Goes back to what I said. The bigger the body of work the better we can look at the players extensively. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
No-one bumps it when Soulkey or Innovation crush their groups though. (not disagreeing with recent posts, just a observation) Anyway, August is going to have an interesting Power Rank. Should be lots of movement below #1 and #2. I can't even predict what it will look like. August is still so far away. Still an IEM and Dreamhack in there as well. What point will all the WCS tournaments be at by the end of July? I'm terrible at tracking dates for ongoing tournaments... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 11 2013 22:12 bittman wrote: This thread will basically get bumped every time someone gets to prove the list was wrong haha. No-one bumps it when Soulkey or Innovation crush their groups though. (not disagreeing with recent posts, just a observation) Anyway, August is going to have an interesting Power Rank. Should be lots of movement below #1 and #2. I can't even predict what it will look like. August is still so far away. Still an IEM and Dreamhack in there as well. What point will all the WCS tournaments be at by the end of July? I'm terrible at tracking dates for ongoing tournaments... KR should be around ro4. EU with ro16 underway AM still in ro32. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 12 2013 01:56 painkilla wrote: This PL biased is a consequence of Bogus and SK doing too well in individual league, that other Kespa players automatically get a free pass as "being levels above the rest". Also, try to be more consistent/convincing. You can't use PL results to put some players in the ranking and then explain it away when it worked against your favorite player (Rain). Do this often and nobody will take the ranking seriously. I thought I already dealt with you already. lol The conspiracy theorists are out in full force today! | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
Also Fantasy does not deserve to be on this list. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:00 StarStruck wrote: I thought I already dealt with you already. lol The conspiracy theorists are out in full force today! coach park #1 | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:00 StarStruck wrote: I thought I already dealt with you already. lol The conspiracy theorists are out in full force today! You see people who argue over the PR as little pests to be "dealt with"? wtf | ||
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TheBamf
Denmark366 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 15 2013 03:08 TheBamf wrote: 3 non kespa players. G fuckin' G. The prophecy came true When 80% of the stats this is based of is Proleague its kinda hard not to. | ||
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