SC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 25

On July 15 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote:

When 80% of the stats this is based of is Proleague its kinda hard not to.

On July 17 2013 16:51 Ammanas wrote:


Try to guess why it is based on Proleague though. Besides it having the most matches in July, it is also the most premier and the 'hardest to do well in' league in the world. Now, you can argue about WCS KR which has not enough matches (and besides Innovation and Soulkey, there are like no really consistent players throughout the two seasons, Bomber maybe with his second Ro8 in a row and Symbol with a possibility of Ro8) and WCS Global, which is only one frickin' weekend tournament that doesn't mean anything. WCS EU and AM are laughable as opposed to KR.

All in all, consistently winning should be more indicative of player's skill, then winning 1 or 2 Bo3s.

EDIT: Hardest to do well in, I mean consistently. Like over teh span of several months. Of course you can do well in 1 match for example.

On July 17 2013 16:51 Ammanas wrote:


Try to guess why it is based on Proleague though. Besides it having the most matches in July, it is also the most premier and the 'hardest to do well in' league in the world. Now, you can argue about WCS KR which has not enough matches (and besides Innovation and Soulkey, there are like no really consistent players throughout the two seasons, Bomber maybe with his second Ro8 in a row and Symbol with a possibility of Ro8) and WCS Global, which is only one frickin' weekend tournament that doesn't mean anything. WCS EU and AM are laughable as opposed to KR.

All in all, consistently winning should be more indicative of player's skill, then winning 1 or 2 Bo3s.

EDIT: Hardest to do well in, I mean consistently. Like over teh span of several months. Of course you can do well in 1 match for example.

On July 17 2013 17:17 HolyArrow wrote:


The problem is that some people are using it as evidence that somehow the Elephant article had legitimacy and that Kespa is dominating everyone else, when half of the Kespa players are on the power rank not because they're dominating non-Kespa players, but rather, fellow Kespa players in Proleague.

I really feel like Proleague should just have its own power rank because I can see the whole sample size thing being a problem for every power rank. Basically, no matter what anyone's performance is outside of Proleague, it'll be overshadowed by Proleague results due to the sheer amount of Proleague games thanks to its format. And unlike WCS, Proleague is a lot more closed off in the sense that there isn't an Up-Downs/Challenger portion of Proleague, so even if there were possibly deserving teams who wanted to compete in it, they wouldn't have the opportunity to challenge the lower-ranked PL teams for a spot.

On July 19 2013 06:17 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I hope we get a First vs Rain OSL matchup. IMO they're the two best Toss in the world, the 1 game they played already was terrific, and it'd be really fun to see them play a Bo7. PvP's a fun matchup these days, and I'd like to settle who the top Protoss is at the moment. Rain is outstanding, but tbh First's play has impressed me more lately.

On July 19 2013 07:08 Emzeeshady wrote:
Thank you OSL for proving that these ranking were way off.

Flash at 3?
Fantasy at 7?
No Smybol?

lol

On July 19 2013 07:08 Emzeeshady wrote:
Thank you OSL for proving that these ranking were way off.

Flash at 3?
Fantasy at 7?
No Smybol?

lol

On July 19 2013 07:41 Neemi wrote:


It feels like people don't realize that it's not a ranking which has predictive validity, but that the goal of a power rank seems to be to sum up the last few months of Starcraft to show who is doing well and who isn't. It's always possible for high-ranking players to start playing worse the next month (Flash/Fantasy) or to have people suddenly start playing a lot better (Bomber/First). They will be placed accordingly when the next power rank shows up. Flash will probably drop down to the lower end of the list, unless he completely fails at PL too and Fantasy probably drops out of the list entirely. In return, Bomber/First have a good chance to be included next time around, depending on how they fare in the Ro8.

Also, please don't make separate power ranks, because that would inevitably lead to arguments to which players would belong where on the other power rank and even more fragmentation.

On July 19 2013 07:50 Baroninthetree wrote:

I still don't think flash deserve his spots in any mth's power rank. He's been consistently in top 5 While attended 5 osl/gsland never even made to rd 8. Flash is definitely overrated at any time's power rank

On July 19 2013 07:33 Die4Ever wrote:

Flash was definitely #3. In his OSL Ro16 group, lol
(just poking fun obviously, he lost to Innovation, and the new best terran in the world Bomber)

On July 19 2013 07:08 Emzeeshady wrote:
Thank you OSL for proving that these ranking were way off.

Flash at 3?
Fantasy at 7?
No Smybol?

lol

On July 19 2013 08:50 sibs wrote:


2nd place MLG, stellar performance in proleague, decent at WCS KR.
Flash deserved to be in the ranking.

Fantasy and jangbi now......

On July 19 2013 11:23 Emzeeshady wrote:

I am not saying they were wrong because he got creamed by Innovation and Bomber. I am saying they were wrong to put him in 3rd in the first place and him getting crushed just proved that he wasn't quite there yet.

Also it wasn't just the fact that he lost. He lost without even really putting up a fight. Light, one of the biggest Flash fanboys on this site even admitted Flash played terrible. Playing like that he would have been eliminated in almost any group and I doubt Bomber would be eliminated.

I understand it is hard to rank the players when there are way more games to judge one group by then another but putting more weight on team league matches seems wrong to me.


haha, ouch!

On July 19 2013 07:08 Emzeeshady wrote:
Thank you OSL for proving that these ranking were way off.

Flash at 3?
Fantasy at 7?
No Smybol?

lol

On July 19 2013 08:50 sibs wrote:


2nd place MLG, stellar performance in proleague, decent at WCS KR.
Flash deserved to be in the ranking.

Fantasy and jangbi now......

On July 19 2013 15:00 Ammanas wrote:


OSL didn't prove anything. Bomber didn't have any results whatsoever in June (besides losing streak in GSTL), Symbol was mentioned as a 11th guy and even though I would agree he should have been there instead of Taeja, he will for sure break into the next issue. Fantasy does not belong there as of RIGHT NOW, but he surely deserved his spot for June. Maybe not the 7th, but he was supposed to be in Top10... As far as Flash is concerned, he has more wins in SPL then anyone. In fact, the most wins in SPL. More then Innovation, more then Soulkey, more then Rain, more then sOs, again - more then ANYONE... He deserved that spot for such consistency, imo! If he fails in playoffs, he will probably drop to bottom 5. But if he leads KT to victory in semifinals and (please no) even finals, he should and will be in top5 even next month.



JangBi had the most amazing month of June of any protoss players. He was 8-3 in SPL, with 3-1 in ace matches (over Rain, for example) and singlehandedly carried Samsung KHAN into playoff contention upto very last week. For June, and June only, he should have been rated higher then players like Rain or sOs. Yes, he lost 2 Bo1s in OSL, but so did sOs and nobody is arguing about him. Lack of past results have relegated him to only 7th position, which is obviously fine, but he belonged there. Obviously, he won't be in the next month, since he is not playing in anything in July, which is fine.