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On June 20 2013 01:03 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote:
MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this. So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that? You make Sundance look like a puss by saying that. And if Blizzard was able to force MLG into an agreement based on "we're the publisher" arguments, then perhaps he is one. Which is kind of my point. Business is a two way street, you don't let another business force your hand like that if the outcome is as detrimental as what TB is writing.
lolol
Sorry but this is just a plain ignorant view of the world.
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On June 20 2013 01:03 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote:
MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this. So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that? You make Sundance look like a puss by saying that. And if Blizzard was able to force MLG into an agreement based on "we're the publisher" arguments, then perhaps he is one. Which is kind of my point. Business is a two way street, you don't let another business force your hand like that if the outcome is as detrimental as what TB is writing.
No he's not a puss he just doesn't really have any power when it comes to decisions like this. If MLG had a GIGANTIC following that would only follow MLG and not the new broadcasters then yes he would be in a position to negotiate since if blizzard moved SC2 WCS to a different broadcaster they might lose devout MLG viewers. But the reality is MLG doesn't have devout followers that would only watch MLG and nothing else so Sundance really has nothing the bring to the table other than his company is "capable" of doing it. Blizzard believes their own in house team and NASL could do a better job (I'm inclined to agree) so they moved WCS. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't really any negotiations at all it and was just blizzard saying "We're moving WCS broadcasting to our inhouse team and NASL". Because like I said, sundance doesn't bring anything to the table aside from the ability to broadcast it.
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Hopefully NASL get it right from the first season. Things need to be near perfect from now on.
It's being a bit boring to hear 3 years in a row "we will be improving guys" and the community circlejerking about how much they improved. WCS NA was horrible, with The Finals as prove.
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Hopefully NASL do a much better job than MLG.
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Sounds good to me. MLG did a pretty shit job with things for the first event. Let us see how NASL handles things. I can only hope they run a super tight ship and show the world they probably should have been given more consideration in the first place?
P.S. I admit to having NASL bias since the events they ran in Ontario CAlifornia were right by my house =)
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On June 20 2013 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 01:03 vesicular wrote:On June 20 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote:
MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this. So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that? You make Sundance look like a puss by saying that. And if Blizzard was able to force MLG into an agreement based on "we're the publisher" arguments, then perhaps he is one. Which is kind of my point. Business is a two way street, you don't let another business force your hand like that if the outcome is as detrimental as what TB is writing. lolol Sorry but this is just a plain ignorant view of the world.
There are days I envy Nazgul and TB with their ability to just call peoples arguments dumb, ignorant or stupid, drop the mic and walk off stage left.
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On June 20 2013 00:39 lamprey1 wrote ATVI could care less abuot SC2. its Blizzards's lowest revenue draw. anyone who thinks ATVI cares about SC2 is delusional
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On June 19 2013 23:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 23:22 shmget wrote:On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default
[...] MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way
a wonderful example of cognitive dissonance. On one hand MLG need the European audience to make it viable... but on the other hand TB still hang-on to the myth that people prefer to watch under-qualified 'True American', rather than a world-class competition. The later _may_ be arguable for the fly-over american audience... but that fall completely flat if you say that a big and vital market share is the European audience. Man, I love it when people two separate statements out of context and then used them to make their own point. It makes for such a great argument and gives the topic the attention it deserves. Much like those 30 second political ads they run at election time when they take half a sentence out of a 20 minute press conference and use that to make their point. Its the best part about arguing on the internet.
These are indeed 2 separate statements.
These are not 'out of context' there are from the same post by TB in 2 successive paragraphs detailling the arguments why WCS-AM was not a good things for MLG, and why it was unavoidable for MLG to fail at them -- I paraphrase.
The 'out of context' excuse is indeed the typical politician cope-out: oops I've been caught red-handed saying something stupid... lets's claim I did not say that... oh! they have a tape... le't's claim it has been edited.. oh! they have the full unedited tape... let's claim that "47%/Cling to G&R" was taken out of context... done! Any quote is technically out-of-context... that is the nature of a quote to be extracted from the whole... but the point here is that the semantic content remain and TB still argue, no matter how you want to slice it, that 1/ EU is a vital market for a WCS AM Broadcaster and 2/ Region Lock is Indispensable... 2 contradictory statements, unless you are deluded enough to believe that Friday Night High-Shool American Football will find as a Widespread audience in Odessa,UKR as it does in Odessa,TX
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I found TB's comments to be rather depressing, mainly because he has no reason to lie. I'd like to believe there's some anti-Blizzard bias skewed in there, but it doesn't really matter, 'cause going forward this change is better for all parties. I just wonder how long MLG will do SC2--hopefully well into LotV.
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cool, NASL production has always been great and WCS AM was a bit meh, so: great news
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Does this mean future MLG events will be able to have a larger prize pool? Also, does MLG still offer to fly out invited players? How will this affect their relationship with KESPA?
If MLG is still constrained by Blizzard for having a lower prize pool? I doubt we will see the amount Koreans that attended last years events if this is the case. On a bright note this can be very good for the American scene if there are only 8 Koreans, opposed to 18.
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Smart move, and good post by Total Biscuit.
If only they'll implement some sort of region lock for 2014 they'll be on to something. I haven't seen a non-korean in a WCS NA match in weeks, maybe its just because I only tune in randomly. Its not the exciting koreans either, its the B team who I'm only vaguely familiar with.
If I want to watch top level koreans own face, can't I watch GSL, OSL and proleague? I wish I had a strong NA scene too with guys like Kane and Catz. That shoutcraft tournament was awesome 
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We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.
Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?
Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.
I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.
As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.
CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.
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If I'm not mistaken aren't they saying NASL will only handle the "LAN" portion and old IPL will do the rest? So basically IPL runs WCS NA and NASL is running the daily content that they excelled at.
Feel free to tell me If i'm completely wrong here.
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On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.
Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?
Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.
I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.
As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.
CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.
JimmyJRaynor strikes with inside info on the inter workings of Activision. Apparently they barely know that SC2 exists, even though they alway talk about it at their earnings calls to share holders. Are they lying to their shareholders? Who knows? Do they even know what an RTS is?
SC2 isn't leaving MLG and I don't know why you would have that impression.
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On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.
Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?
Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.
I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.
As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.
CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.
Oh, look, this guy is back. I guess once a conspiracy nut, always a conspiracy nut.
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Lets speculate even more:
Riot told MLG to fuck this up so that Blizzard will remove their contract with them. Because Riot is scared of the more casual game Blizzard Allstars that could kill, if stand alone, so easy their game. Because Blizzard is king when it comes to steal game ideas and put them into a new game that is just so much better than all others. And all they have to do is make it a bit easier what they are doing with removing last hitting for example.
So MLG sayed NP, we need money and we are not sure if we can get more venture capital, we are still making zero money because we don't know how to run a business of its own. And with this money they can ran this console stuff that never made money for them but they kind of keep it because I just have no Idea why. No Console game ever can compete with pure numbers in players with a decent PC Game. (Dont want to talk about money right, no great console game made ever as much money as a good pc game)
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