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Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
June 20 2013 00:24 GMT
#481
Sweet!

MLG did great but I'm excited to hear more bitterdam now :D
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caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 00:45:14
June 20 2013 00:39 GMT
#482
On June 20 2013 08:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:31 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:12 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 20 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:
SC2 isn't leaving MLG and I don't know why you would have that impression.


source?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417744

I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.


lol
1 stream and 25 matches.
relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.

and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall?
MLG changes their format and games every event.

i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.

hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.

They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.


thanks for the retraction.

as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.

ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.

Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.

It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.

I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.


lol, all you did was restate the question i asked.
good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!

I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.

Conspiracy nut at its finest. You never make statements, just ask questions.


again, a conspiracy is about communicating a crime.
no criminal communications ...no conspiracy


Ohhh... okay.

so, what do you call that thing where someone believes there's shadowy stuff going on beneath the surface, with people or organizations, or entities CONSPIRING with each other to influence some outcome of something (to some inscrutible benefit), while hiding it from the public or from people who have some stake in the outcome but may be affected in a negative way?

Then, how do you say, like what's the word for the THEORY that that person who believes all this has-- about what those said people/organizations are CONSPIRING about in the dark shadowy secret corners of unknown land, what do you call that THEORY? like, what word would you use, I know it can't be a conspiracy theory, but what is it?


anyways, snark aside, MLG is fine, sc2 is fine. This is all good for everyone. Be excited that NASL gets to do what they like and are good at, and MLG gets to do what they like and are good at. Everyone wins.


and again , i hope NASL returns to Toronto/Mississauga.


yeah, would be awesome.
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Chanted
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway1001 Posts
June 20 2013 00:44 GMT
#483
'Looking forward to Bitterdam ! I think this can be a good move for both MLG and NASL. MLG has their own tournement that they can run now, which in turn gives more content!
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 01:14:46
June 20 2013 01:13 GMT
#484
On Lo3 they also confirmed that NASL will hold the season finals that are in America and that it will be in North America (that latter part probably wasn't a surprise)


EDIT: And that it will be Season 3's final (again that's been talked about briefly too)
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 20 2013 01:20 GMT
#485
On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.

Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?

Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.

I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.

As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.

CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.

JimmyJRaynor hard at work for his next ban it seems.
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Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 01:30:34
June 20 2013 01:22 GMT
#486
YAY! So glad to have NASL back <3


Though I am gonna misss Axslav's casting of wcs! To me, he's the best analytical casting and he actually makes some great points every once in a while that are actually useful for my play ! That's so rare!


But NASL <3

And Bitterdam <3
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 01:24:05
June 20 2013 01:23 GMT
#487
On June 20 2013 10:20 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.

Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?

Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.

I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.

As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.

CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.

JimmyJRaynor hard at work for his next ban it seems.

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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 20 2013 03:24 GMT
#488
This is very good news for NASL since I dunno what else they are doing lately besides The Pulse? I'm sure MLG is glad to be able to focus on their events and not have to host other people's events. If what has been said is true Blizzard should've just went with NASL in the first place. Oh well should be good matches coming in August.
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CloudMage
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada221 Posts
June 20 2013 07:25 GMT
#489
oh wow this is interesting
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Neoattitude
Profile Joined April 2010
Guam172 Posts
June 20 2013 10:12 GMT
#490
Oh man... I was wondering why this arrangement didn't happen since the beginning!! NASL did runner a league before WCS !!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 20 2013 11:08 GMT
#491
On June 19 2013 20:42 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 20:05 Doodsmack wrote:
I certainly trust your word more than TB's here. Especially when you're arguing from conjecture ("Blizzard provided most if not all of the money and it didn't cost MLG much trust m e bro they just threw a stream up on the screen after all lolol"), and an insider would have access to actual information. Coupled with some exaggerated negativity...yeah you pretty much couldn't have written a more worthless post bud.


Try posting something worthwhile then (Judging from your "argument" of just rewriting something in your lololbro language you can't I guess). Unless TB was included in the negotioations he is as much an insider as you or I am. He posts from his caster / team owner perspective AND as organisator for a (kinda) competing tournament.
But feel free to correct me:
- The MLG did host the offline (the most expensive) part in their office. They have this for some years already IIRC and unless they planned to suddenly move away from NY just before WCS happened, they would pay the rent anyway.
- Do you *realy* think Blizzard could just say to MLG "Hey, you have to do this and also pay 40000 in prizes". Besides the fact that its a free market and MLG could just say no, what would be Blizzards way to pressure? No Blizzard games? Would hurt themself AND other companies make WCS Tier 1 + 2 events just fine.
- If its such a bad thing and MLG was so desperate they had to accept to broadcast WCS, why would NASL *want* to broadcast? Maybe because there *is* profit in it, be it either money or brand exposure. The fact alone that a different company pursues the right to play a part in WCS pretty much proves this part false.

Chances are great MLG did stop because they did such a bad job (yes, parts that were not in their control were responsible too) that it did hurt their brand. Its a company that wants to make profit, they didn't expect that it turned out this way and stopped.

PS: I also think its funny to show them as kind of organisation that wants to foster american talent and it was not in their interest that koreans participated. They INVITED and gave MLG seeds to various koreans even before WCS and in addition kept a system that allowed players to be seeded even if they did produce only very bad results. (I like him as personality, so no offense there if I use him as example: Incontrol)


I stopped reading at the part where you implied MLG's only/main expense in running the offline portion was the office rent money.
Firestorm
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada341 Posts
June 21 2013 01:15 GMT
#492
So what happens to the Axes?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 21 2013 01:19 GMT
#493
On June 21 2013 10:15 Firestorm wrote:
So what happens to the Axes?

They'll probably still cast the normal MLGs, right?
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lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 02:19:37
June 21 2013 02:04 GMT
#494
On June 20 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.

Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?

Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.

I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.

As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.

CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.

JimmyJRaynor strikes with inside info on the inter workings of Activision. Apparently they barely know that SC2 exists, even though they alway talk about it at their earnings calls to share holders. Are they lying to their shareholders? Who knows? Do they even know what an RTS is?

SC2 isn't leaving MLG and I don't know why you would have that impression.


so far MLG stated they are doing the June 28-30th event.
MLG could easily "leave" SC2 as they "left" Halo OR they could have an event as good as 2012-Anaheim for Summer.
If MLG has made a commitment beyond Spring 2013 then post it. It can be placed in the post at the top of the thread.
If you do not have this then you are just speculating and then slamming other posters for speculating. An interesting hypocrisy.

SC2 is a very small revenue stream for ATVI.
Blizzard has already announced the size of their SC2 team.
It is much smaller than the WoW and CoD head count.

Skylanders, WoW and CoD are the primary revenue drivers of ATVI and this is reflected in all their public communications.

Like it or not SC2 is a small part of what ATVI does,

As we continue to move up the executive ladder we see Vivendi shopping ATVI around because they need cash.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 21 2013 02:16 GMT
#495
good news imo. MLG botched it up in a lot of different ways, not that it was overly terrible but it wasn't my liking and I much much prefer MLG runs its own tournament as in the Pro Circuit they've been doing since SCII was released. Let's hope NASL can improve on what MLG had
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oxZellxo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States2 Posts
June 21 2013 20:43 GMT
#496
as long as its still streamed ill watch it!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 22 2013 01:38 GMT
#497
On June 21 2013 11:04 lamprey1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.

Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?

Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.

I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.

As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.

CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.

JimmyJRaynor strikes with inside info on the inter workings of Activision. Apparently they barely know that SC2 exists, even though they alway talk about it at their earnings calls to share holders. Are they lying to their shareholders? Who knows? Do they even know what an RTS is?

SC2 isn't leaving MLG and I don't know why you would have that impression.


so far MLG stated they are doing the June 28-30th event.
MLG could easily "leave" SC2 as they "left" Halo OR they could have an event as good as 2012-Anaheim for Summer.
If MLG has made a commitment beyond Spring 2013 then post it. It can be placed in the post at the top of the thread.
If you do not have this then you are just speculating and then slamming other posters for speculating. An interesting hypocrisy.

SC2 is a very small revenue stream for ATVI.
Blizzard has already announced the size of their SC2 team.
It is much smaller than the WoW and CoD head count.

Skylanders, WoW and CoD are the primary revenue drivers of ATVI and this is reflected in all their public communications.

Like it or not SC2 is a small part of what ATVI does,

As we continue to move up the executive ladder we see Vivendi shopping ATVI around because they need cash.


sup jimmy?
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
June 22 2013 01:48 GMT
#498
Good. MLG did fine but you could tell that WCS was just a burden on them.
BwCBlueBox.837
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2013 01:51 GMT
#499
On June 22 2013 10:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 11:04 lamprey1 wrote:
On June 20 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM.
This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.

Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events?
Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?

Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.

I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.

As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.

CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.

JimmyJRaynor strikes with inside info on the inter workings of Activision. Apparently they barely know that SC2 exists, even though they alway talk about it at their earnings calls to share holders. Are they lying to their shareholders? Who knows? Do they even know what an RTS is?

SC2 isn't leaving MLG and I don't know why you would have that impression.


so far MLG stated they are doing the June 28-30th event.
MLG could easily "leave" SC2 as they "left" Halo OR they could have an event as good as 2012-Anaheim for Summer.
If MLG has made a commitment beyond Spring 2013 then post it. It can be placed in the post at the top of the thread.
If you do not have this then you are just speculating and then slamming other posters for speculating. An interesting hypocrisy.

SC2 is a very small revenue stream for ATVI.
Blizzard has already announced the size of their SC2 team.
It is much smaller than the WoW and CoD head count.

Skylanders, WoW and CoD are the primary revenue drivers of ATVI and this is reflected in all their public communications.

Like it or not SC2 is a small part of what ATVI does,

As we continue to move up the executive ladder we see Vivendi shopping ATVI around because they need cash.


sup jimmy?

The format is shockingly similar.
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Axxis
Profile Joined May 2010
United States133 Posts
June 22 2013 03:06 GMT
#500
Yes, NASL seems to simply want it more. These guys are all about starcraft and starcraft only so I think this is a good move. Not that mlg did a bad job or anything but I'm looking forward to see how NASL handles this and how wcs America evolves.
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