On June 20 2013 05:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote: We won't know until the end of season 3 if moving away from MLG and using NASL was an improvement for WCS-AM. This is definitely a great move for MLG though. They can focus on their true strengths.
Is there any word on whether or not SC2 is going to be at any future MLG events? Or has this "pressure" from Blizzard disappeared?
Blizzard may try to pressure MLG. But , the results of this "pressure" have been a very badly run WCS-AM.
I do not think ATVI will try to leverage the CoD franchise against MLG to force MLG's hand into accommodating SC2 into their live events. They'll use their "CoD franchise power" for CoD related activities.
As stated previously, ATVI barely knows SC2 exists.
CoD, Skylanders, and WoW are the money makers.
Oh, look, this guy is back. I guess once a conspiracy nut, always a conspiracy nut.
I am just waiting for the "Follow the money" post or some reference to the "Blog that shall not be named."
Or "Idra's release was an inside job. Think about it!"
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
On June 20 2013 06:00 tadL wrote: Lets speculate even more:
Riot told MLG to fuck this up so that Blizzard will remove their contract with them. Because Riot is scared of the more casual game Blizzard Allstars that could kill, if stand alone, so easy their game. Because Blizzard is king when it comes to steal game ideas and put them into a new game that is just so much better than all others. And all they have to do is make it a bit easier what they are doing with removing last hitting for example.
So MLG sayed NP, we need money and we are not sure if we can get more venture capital, we are still making zero money because we don't know how to run a business of its own. And with this money they can ran this console stuff that never made money for them but they kind of keep it because I just have no Idea why. No Console game ever can compete with pure numbers in players with a decent PC Game. (Dont want to talk about money right, no great console game made ever as much money as a good pc game)
i really enjoyed this post simply because of the idea that Blizzard would be copying Riot with Allstars when the original Dota was a custom map for a Blizzard game. i realize Blizzard didn't develop Dota, and much less did they develop LoL. but this whole cycle is actually crazy to think about.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
lol, all you did was restate the question i asked. good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!
I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
lol, all you did was restate the question i asked. good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!
I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.
Conspiracy nut at its finest. You never make statements, just ask questions.
On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote: MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this.
So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that?
Do you want a tinfoil hat? Ya, I'm sure Blizzard guy called the Activision CEO and said "Hey, I have problems with this tournament organisator here.. they don't want to do WCS and pay for it". "So, what do I have to do with it?" "Don't let them have CoD!" "But.. who else should make those tournaments? We are pretty happy with what we get here, we put hundred of millions into marketing afterall" "Umm...well maybe some small venue could host it, we have like 200 seats during finals, that would fit into a smaller location.. Hello? Hello? Hey Bobby, are you still there?"
Yeah, I am sure you folks are experts on the subject and have way more information than people like TB, who deals with Blizzard all the time.
However, as someone who works for very large companies, including banks, that is exactly how they function. They don't say it flat out, but they heavily imply with phrases like "Well I thought we had a good business relationship and your firm could handle this," and "Well, with our past relationship, I didn't really think this would be a problem." Anyone can stand their ground and say no, but that may affect deals you have in the future.
Also, is it that hard to believe that marketing idiot said Blizzard/activision said "Why would we work with these NASL guys? MLG is already handling our CoD stuff, they should just handle this too. Everything is all set up with them." Once again, as someone who does work for very large companies, that is how terrible decisions are made.
The only thing that any logical person here need remember to realize that Blizzard can certainly put a lot of pressure on companies to do what they want is that Blizzard was able to bully KeSPA in both BW and SC2 into submitting for copyrights and giving part of their profits to Blizzard (among other things). If KeSPA, the biggest eSports organization in the world, can be bullied by Blizzard (even though they only ran one Blizzard-affiliated game), what hope could MLG have?
On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote: MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this.
So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that?
Do you want a tinfoil hat? Ya, I'm sure Blizzard guy called the Activision CEO and said "Hey, I have problems with this tournament organisator here.. they don't want to do WCS and pay for it". "So, what do I have to do with it?" "Don't let them have CoD!" "But.. who else should make those tournaments? We are pretty happy with what we get here, we put hundred of millions into marketing afterall" "Umm...well maybe some small venue could host it, we have like 200 seats during finals, that would fit into a smaller location.. Hello? Hello? Hey Bobby, are you still there?"
Yeah, I am sure you folks are experts on the subject and have way more information than people like TB, who deals with Blizzard all the time.
However, as someone who works for very large companies, including banks, that is exactly how they function. They don't say it flat out, but they heavily imply with phrases like "Well I thought we had a good business relationship and your firm could handle this," and "Well, with our past relationship, I didn't really think this would be a problem." Anyone can stand their ground and say no, but that may affect deals you have in the future.
Also, is it that hard to believe that marketing idiot said Blizzard/activision said "Why would we work with these NASL guys? MLG is already handling our CoD stuff, they should just handle this too. Everything is all set up with them." Once again, as someone who does work for very large companies, that is how terrible decisions are made.
The only thing that any logical person here need remember to realize that Blizzard can certainly put a lot of pressure on companies to do what they want is that Blizzard was able to bully KeSPA in both BW and SC2 into submitting for copyrights and giving part of their profits to Blizzard (among other things). If KeSPA, the biggest eSports organization in the world, can be bullied by Blizzard (even though they only ran one Blizzard-affiliated game), what hope could MLG have?
You could be the most logical man on all of Team Liquid. I had not even thought of using that as an example.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
lol, all you did was restate the question i asked. good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!
I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.
I can't decide if I want to laugh at your stupidity or cry at your plight.
MLG is still streaming SC2, they have SC2 at their upcoming Spring Championship, which has a 22,000 dollar prize pool. They have further stated that they want to keep making SC2 events even if they are moving away from WCS.
If you won't listen to reason, you should be banned. So, please, listen to reason.
On June 20 2013 00:03 vesicular wrote: MLG being "forced" to take on WCS is laughable at best. TB runs a business, he of all people should know this.
So you think Activision/Blizzard, owners of SC2 and Call of Duty couldn't put enough pressure on MLG to run WCS NA even though they didn't want to? Do you really think the largest game publisher in the US, who also happens to publish the highest selling multiplayer game in the US, couldn't do that?
Do you want a tinfoil hat? Ya, I'm sure Blizzard guy called the Activision CEO and said "Hey, I have problems with this tournament organisator here.. they don't want to do WCS and pay for it". "So, what do I have to do with it?" "Don't let them have CoD!" "But.. who else should make those tournaments? We are pretty happy with what we get here, we put hundred of millions into marketing afterall" "Umm...well maybe some small venue could host it, we have like 200 seats during finals, that would fit into a smaller location.. Hello? Hello? Hey Bobby, are you still there?"
Yeah, I am sure you folks are experts on the subject and have way more information than people like TB, who deals with Blizzard all the time.
However, as someone who works for very large companies, including banks, that is exactly how they function. They don't say it flat out, but they heavily imply with phrases like "Well I thought we had a good business relationship and your firm could handle this," and "Well, with our past relationship, I didn't really think this would be a problem." Anyone can stand their ground and say no, but that may affect deals you have in the future.
Also, is it that hard to believe that marketing idiot said Blizzard/activision said "Why would we work with these NASL guys? MLG is already handling our CoD stuff, they should just handle this too. Everything is all set up with them." Once again, as someone who does work for very large companies, that is how terrible decisions are made.
The only thing that any logical person here need remember to realize that Blizzard can certainly put a lot of pressure on companies to do what they want is that Blizzard was able to bully KeSPA in both BW and SC2 into submitting for copyrights and giving part of their profits to Blizzard (among other things). If KeSPA, the biggest eSports organization in the world, can be bullied by Blizzard (even though they only ran one Blizzard-affiliated game), what hope could MLG have?
You could be the most logical man on all of Team Liquid. I had not even thought of using that as an example.
Haha naw, I just got lucky that my brain decided to pull that up out of its garbled mess of memories and information when I saw the words "Blizzard," "bully," and "eSports"
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
lol, all you did was restate the question i asked. good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!
I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.
Conspiracy nut at its finest. You never make statements, just ask questions.
again, a conspiracy is about communicating a crime. no criminal communications ...no conspiracy
furthermore, right below my question were 2 statements... so that part is bull.
let's see if MLG puts on anything like they did during 2011 and 2012. those were some great events. and again , i hope NASL returns to Toronto/Mississauga.
I could also link a shot of upcoming events on Liquipedia if its to much effort for you to click on it.
lol 1 stream and 25 matches. relative to their previous efforts it looks like MLG is "backing away" (your words not mine) to me.
and what is planned for MLG Summer and Fall? MLG changes their format and games every event.
i stated a simple question in my post. if you have an answer with a source regarding what they are doing in 2013 and 2014 with regards to SC2 then post it up.
hopefully they return to what they did in 2011 and 2012, but with all the new rules BLizzard has set up regarding WCS it'll be tough to pull off.
They haven't announced those yet for any of their games(including Cod and LoL), so we don't know.
thanks for the retraction.
as far the "conspiracy" stuff goes. conspiracy requires discussion of criminal activity.
ATVI pays more attention to the franchises that make the most money. No crime in that. Therefore, no conspiracy.
Back on topic, Blizzard should "partner" with companies if they really want to be part of WCS and not use "pressure tactics"... it just creates a big negative vibe about the whole thing.
It does not look like NASL is being "pressured" .. it looks like they want to be part of it. This is a step in the right direction.
I am not retracting anything. There is no reason to believe that SC2 will not be at every MLG event for the foreseeable future.
lol, all you did was restate the question i asked. good job and gl to NASL with the offline finals for S2!
I hope NASL can return to Toronto where they had their highest revenue offline event.
Conspiracy nut at its finest. You never make statements, just ask questions.
again, a conspiracy is about communicating a crime. no criminal communications ...no conspiracy
furthermore, right below my question were 2 statements... so that part is bull.
let's see if MLG puts on anything like they did during 2011 and 2012. those were some great events. and again , i hope NASL returns to Toronto/Mississauga.
I can't wait for an organization to announce 2 years worth of schedules, and for you to say they're bailing out in the third.
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