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WCS AM Season 2 to be run by NASL and Blizzard - Page 21

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iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
June 19 2013 10:26 GMT
#401
Not to talk shit about MLG, but I think NASL is a much better fit for WCS. MLG is great at hosting big weekend events, but the production for WCS was really lackluster. I'm quite confident that the NASL & ex-IPL guys & girls will do much better.

So, yay!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 11:06:19
June 19 2013 11:05 GMT
#402
On June 19 2013 19:08 Gr33d wrote:
I like how TB writes that it was more like Blizzard putting a gun to MLGs head and said: "Make this tournament! And you HAVE to include koreans!". That does not make *any* sense, especially if NASL would actually want to run the WCS. Or are they just keen to burn some money?
Blizzard provided most (if not all) of the money, flew the players over, had to negotiate with atleast four different companies and they want more people *buying* the game (viewership and exposure in growing markets, they don't care about sonsors).
In addition MLG did only have to host ONE online qualifier and the offline event was played in their office rooms which they pay for anyway.

Now, SC2 is not big in the korean market, the EU/US events get the highest amount of viewers, even if no korean participates. I think, from a tournament organisators point, it would make more sense to push for some koreans in "your" region, to advertise with a big name. It would make more sense to force mostly online no region lock play (And whoever thinks we will get any offline daily event is just delusional. WCS will STAY online in the west).
They could have said no, we will just produce Tier 1 like events, but maybe their egos got too big and they thought that as somekind premium esport brand in the US, it had to be them. In the end, they screwed up big time, not because blizzard, no, because of their own incompetence.
Look at the WCS finals or the current Season 2 in korea. Completely utter shit events. Blizzards fault? I would say no, its two rival broadcasting companies trying to fuck each other over as much as possible. They even changed the format in the middle of WCS, for one region only (and it will most likely switch back again in season 3).

I guess WCS will ultimately fail if they don't concentrate on improving the coordination with the broadcasters or take matters in their own hands. Afterall, IF you see some SC2 and all you see is koreans roflstomping each other because the only local heroes are eliminated alltogether, casted in some office with no excitement (or in an empty studio with a goddam DJ in your back.. WTF Gom?), you would not think "Hey, that looks great, lets buy this!". You would say "Nah, lets switch channel" and quit watching.


I certainly trust your word more than TB's here. Especially when you're arguing from conjecture ("Blizzard provided most if not all of the money and it didn't cost MLG much trust m e bro they just threw a stream up on the screen after all lolol"), and an insider would have access to actual information. Coupled with some exaggerated negativity...yeah you pretty much couldn't have written a more worthless post bud.
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 19 2013 11:15 GMT
#403
wow great looking forward to this
qotsager
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany585 Posts
June 19 2013 11:28 GMT
#404
bitterdam and frotorp casting sc2 again? OH FUCK YES
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Gr33d
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 12:25:50
June 19 2013 11:42 GMT
#405
On June 19 2013 20:05 Doodsmack wrote:
I certainly trust your word more than TB's here. Especially when you're arguing from conjecture ("Blizzard provided most if not all of the money and it didn't cost MLG much trust m e bro they just threw a stream up on the screen after all lolol"), and an insider would have access to actual information. Coupled with some exaggerated negativity...yeah you pretty much couldn't have written a more worthless post bud.


Try posting something worthwhile then (Judging from your "argument" of just rewriting something in your lololbro language you can't I guess). Unless TB was included in the negotioations he is as much an insider as you or I am. He posts from his caster / team owner perspective AND as organisator for a (kinda) competing tournament.
But feel free to correct me:
- The MLG did host the offline (the most expensive) part in their office. They have this for some years already IIRC and unless they planned to suddenly move away from NY just before WCS happened, they would pay the rent anyway.
- Do you *realy* think Blizzard could just say to MLG "Hey, you have to do this and also pay 40000 in prizes". Besides the fact that its a free market and MLG could just say no, what would be Blizzards way to pressure? No Blizzard games? Would hurt themself AND other companies make WCS Tier 1 + 2 events just fine.
- If its such a bad thing and MLG was so desperate they had to accept to broadcast WCS, why would NASL *want* to broadcast? Maybe because there *is* profit in it, be it either money or brand exposure. The fact alone that a different company pursues the right to play a part in WCS pretty much proves this part false.

Chances are great MLG did stop because they did such a bad job (yes, parts that were not in their control were responsible too) that it did hurt their brand. Its a company that wants to make profit, they didn't expect that it turned out this way and stopped.

PS: I also think its funny to show them as kind of organisation that wants to foster american talent and it was not in their interest that koreans participated. They INVITED and gave MLG seeds to various koreans even before WCS and in addition kept a system that allowed players to be seeded even if they did produce only very bad results. (I like him as personality, so no offense there if I use him as example: Incontrol)
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mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
June 19 2013 11:48 GMT
#406
Yeah!
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tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 12:10:38
June 19 2013 11:55 GMT
#407
Did not even notice the US WCS Finals. Did they really happen? Well I like the decision because I think that MLG is the most garbage offline tournament (and sadly the only) you guys in NA have. Ofc their online tournaments are not better. And that is just the view as a stream spectator.

ps@Greed, does MLG make money at all? Or is it not just the venture capital that still keeps them alive
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
June 19 2013 12:01 GMT
#408
any event is better without MLG...never liked their organisation...it is all based around money. I really miss the most important part in their portfolio...it is called "passion".

I know everyone needs money..but come on..at least put some heart blood in your work. (dont know if you can say that...it is a german saying)
zmsFlood
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland169 Posts
June 19 2013 12:49 GMT
#409
This is really good news looking forward to the event !
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 19 2013 12:56 GMT
#410
On June 19 2013 02:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I've always felt like MLG excels at running big events with a lot of budget (in case you think that this is obvious/easy - you're wrong). It takes a lot of skill to do this and they have mastered it throughout the years. They are legitimately good at what they do with their events when they go all out. However when things are on a lower budget it seems that ESL/NASL are able to solve things by being cute and funny. Entertainment such as DIMAGA coming out in Carmac's bee suit, White-Ra as a bartender, and the random NASL dog come to mind. That is probably what WCS America could benefit from right now.


There is nothing random about having a dog around set. Also I wouldn't really say MLG is great when you look at their expenses and they still have a long way to go when its comes to being storytellers and putting a good scope on things. The amount of hype they bring is limited and a good start would be how they dish out the trophy and end it.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 13:13:24
June 19 2013 13:02 GMT
#411
YUSS!!! Congratulations to NASL :D

Edit: And to TB post, I didn't watch most of season 1, not because of the time slot but because it was at best incredibly boring. Admittedly there are worlds between +0 GMT and +2 GMT, but I can just say that it was a choice by me to not watch it, not bad time/difficulty. Maybe people have been too rough on MLG, but at the same time you shouldn't make it sound like S1 was well ran by MLG.
Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 13:11:18
June 19 2013 13:07 GMT
#412
I hope Lauren Elise and the dawg gonna dick around during the finals
PS. *spoiler* ain't gonna happen.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 13:14:26
June 19 2013 13:13 GMT
#413
On June 19 2013 20:42 Gr33d wrote:

Try posting something worthwhile then (Judging from your "argument" of just rewriting something in your lololbro language you can't I guess). Unless TB was included in the negotioations he is as much an insider as you or I am.


Or y'know, a bunch of people who were in a position to know, told me everything

God it's incredible how many people just live in complete ignorance and yet will argue with people who are in a position to know better.

I didn't watch most of season 1, not because of the time slot but because it was at best incredibly boring. Admittedly there are worlds between +0 GMT and +2 GMT, but I can just say that it was a choice by me to not watch it, not bad time/difficulty. Maybe people have been too rough on MLG, but at the same time you shouldn't make it sound like S1 was well ran by MLG.


Why was it boring? This is a pretty terrible piece of criticism. Can't have been the games, the quality of games was significantly higher, unless you're suggesting that those Europeans are better than the Koreans playing in WCS NA (they aren't).
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
June 19 2013 13:13 GMT
#414
Maybe finally we'll be able to watch the WCS on a stream that doesn't lag every single damn day. Seriously, I don't know what it is about the MLG headquarters but they have such shotty Internet it seems because they're always having network and Internet issues. Such a pain.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 19 2013 13:15 GMT
#415
On June 19 2013 22:13 Butterednuts wrote:
Maybe finally we'll be able to watch the WCS on a stream that doesn't lag every single damn day. Seriously, I don't know what it is about the MLG headquarters but they have such shotty Internet it seems because they're always having network and Internet issues. Such a pain.


Utter bullshit. They use Twitch the same as everyone else and their internet connection is just fine.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 19 2013 13:22 GMT
#416
That is great, NASL will be able to do daily stuff a lot better than MLG. Honestly though, is it enough to bring me back to watching WCS. I don't know not excited for WCS NA at all.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 13:25:40
June 19 2013 13:25 GMT
#417
On June 19 2013 22:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
I didn't watch most of season 1, not because of the time slot but because it was at best incredibly boring. Admittedly there are worlds between +0 GMT and +2 GMT, but I can just say that it was a choice by me to not watch it, not bad time/difficulty. Maybe people have been too rough on MLG, but at the same time you shouldn't make it sound like S1 was well ran by MLG.


Why was it boring? This is a pretty terrible piece of criticism. Can't have been the games, the quality of games was significantly higher, unless you're suggesting that those Europeans are better than the Koreans playing in WCS NA (they aren't).

Off the top of my head, long waiting times between matches, bad casting and bad production. Also I highly disagree that the quality of the NA games was higher, though that is kind of irrelevant since that is out of MLG's control.
Ontop of it, they had terrible qualifiers with quite a lot of mess as I'm sure you'd know about the best(worst of it was the trying to pass off replay casting as live).
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
June 19 2013 13:28 GMT
#418
Good for NASL but I think the damage has been done.
I just can't see myself staying up half the night or getting up hours early for WCS NA.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 19 2013 13:28 GMT
#419
On June 19 2013 22:25 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 22:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I didn't watch most of season 1, not because of the time slot but because it was at best incredibly boring. Admittedly there are worlds between +0 GMT and +2 GMT, but I can just say that it was a choice by me to not watch it, not bad time/difficulty. Maybe people have been too rough on MLG, but at the same time you shouldn't make it sound like S1 was well ran by MLG.


Why was it boring? This is a pretty terrible piece of criticism. Can't have been the games, the quality of games was significantly higher, unless you're suggesting that those Europeans are better than the Koreans playing in WCS NA (they aren't).

Off the top of my head, long waiting times between matches, bad casting and bad production. Also I highly disagree that the quality of the NA games was higher, though that is kind of irrelevant since that is out of MLG's control.
Ontop of it, they had terrible qualifiers with quite a lot of mess as I'm sure you'd know about the best(worst of it was the trying to pass off replay casting as live).


There weren't long waits between matches, the downtime was in my recollection lower than the other WCS events. Bad casting is very subjective, bad production is just flat out not true.

The quality of the games was definitely higher and they were not casting the qualifiers from replays who the heck told you that?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
June 19 2013 13:32 GMT
#420
On June 19 2013 22:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 22:25 Zarahtra wrote:
On June 19 2013 22:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I didn't watch most of season 1, not because of the time slot but because it was at best incredibly boring. Admittedly there are worlds between +0 GMT and +2 GMT, but I can just say that it was a choice by me to not watch it, not bad time/difficulty. Maybe people have been too rough on MLG, but at the same time you shouldn't make it sound like S1 was well ran by MLG.


Why was it boring? This is a pretty terrible piece of criticism. Can't have been the games, the quality of games was significantly higher, unless you're suggesting that those Europeans are better than the Koreans playing in WCS NA (they aren't).

Off the top of my head, long waiting times between matches, bad casting and bad production. Also I highly disagree that the quality of the NA games was higher, though that is kind of irrelevant since that is out of MLG's control.
Ontop of it, they had terrible qualifiers with quite a lot of mess as I'm sure you'd know about the best(worst of it was the trying to pass off replay casting as live).


There weren't long waits between matches, the downtime was in my recollection lower than the other WCS events. Bad casting is very subjective, bad production is just flat out not true.

The quality of the games was definitely higher and they were not casting the qualifiers from replays who the heck told you that?

In an odd way, I actually really like the EU scene. A lot of "fun" games that might not be the best executed but great entertainment value. Aside from Alicia taking Hero to the brink I didn't actually like NA as much as EU
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