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France7248 Posts
On June 19 2013 07:31 CoR wrote: GOOD: the nasl is best BAD: ... rly ? the ipl makes the season and nasl only finals ? they have best duo i RLY hope they will go to the studio bcause rotterdam, mr bitter are soooo much better then the ipl guys. nothing !!! against them but, they more lik the guys i wanna see in vids, not daily it is only for the transition and season 2 Season 3 and after, NASL will do everything
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On June 19 2013 06:50 Integra wrote: Thank god, great news for NASL! I can't express how aweme this announcment is.
You have no idea if WCS-AM will get better or worse next season, for example WCS-KR has BO1s LOL
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This makes the most sense. MLG has their own events to attend to, Blizzard basically stripped off everything NASL could do.
The least they can do is restore what NASL was doing before the WCS came into play.
Good work Blizzard.
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congrats to nasl, not sure if mlg just didnt like the viewership numbers? i mean dream hack had 104k yesterday ...
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When is this change taking place? Aren't they already playing season 2? I still see MLG on stream.
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NASL takes WCS and MLG is going back to fully produce their own tournament ? YES !!!!
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United States97274 Posts
On June 19 2013 08:01 havok55 wrote: When is this change taking place? Aren't they already playing season 2? I still see MLG on stream. In America and Europe the group stage aka the up and down match analog represents the end of the season rather than the start of a new season like in Korea. These are still Season 1 matches.
They take over at the end of the Challenger group stage. (so after this week)
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Yaaa welcome back NASL :D
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This is really good news, so happy that NASL is not leaving the SC2 scene
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Oh thank you so much blizzard for listening, the Mlg broadcast was lacklustre, without any passion for the game and with really bad casting. I think we can all expect big things from Nasl and they won't let us down.
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I'm so excited about this. There's just something about the NASL team's camaraderie that makes me smile and want to keep watching!
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On June 19 2013 01:47 Nomzter wrote: YES!! TY MLG BLIZZ AND NASL WHAT TY AT MLG???? Oh wait :'((((
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NASL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not mlg
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On June 19 2013 04:53 BlueFlames wrote:Are you shitting me ... people thank Blizzard? If Blizzards game-developers were as bad as their E-sports division they would be out of business by now. Blizzards decision surrounding the SC2 scene were horrible and bad for almost anyone involved. The only reason WCS was not a disaster is because of ESL/OGN/Gom. If the incompetent people at Blizzard keep fucking up the SC2 scene like they did the past couple of weeks, there will be a lot of people that could lose their jobs. Lets sum up the greate things WCS gave the SC2-community. - Messing up the entire NA-scene. Not only did they fuck over the players, but they seemed to not care about NASL almost having to leave the SC2 scene for good. Lets not mention hindering MLG at producing at what they are good at. Tournaments that gave NA-players a chance and brought the spotlight of the whole SC-2 scene on NA. At this point i miss a good weekend tournament by MLG. I want Dreamhack weekends and i want MLG weekends again. - Deciding on a WCS-format a few weeks before the product had to be ready, screwing over every organisation producing it, especially ESL who were the first to start the league i think. ESL did a good job, but i dont think the working conditions for them were really that good. - No IEM events in a long time. A tournament that also gives regions and countries a chance that arent that big yet and that triy to actively promote regional players. - Messing with the free market in korea by enforcing two corporations to work together. If not for Blizzard Gom would probably be dead and OGN and KESPA would be running the show. Blizzards constant messing in this matter boggles my mind. My thoughts are a bit unorganised at the momement, but i think everyone knows that the sc2-scene was at a reasonably good spot before WSC. Blizzard came in and fucked up big time. So please for the love of god thank the companies that were interested in supporting e-sports and the starcraft community all the years blizzard ignored it and thank the companies that keep trying to support e-sports and the sc2-scene, despite Blizzard forcefully trying to "help" them.
- First, what NA scene existed before WCS? The NA scene before WCS was IPL, MLG, and NASL hosting tournaments where any Americans were indiscriminately slaughtered by Koreans. There was no vibrant NA scene for WCS to "ruin" it was just a Korean playground.
-This second statement ended up not having a big impact at all. Most people would agree ESL did a great job with WCS EU, and WCS Korea was just another GSL for GOM. It might have hurt MLG, but it seems like they were never the right company to begin with.
- IEM just had there World Championship at the start of Hots. Their tournament season had already ended, of course they weren't going to have any IEM events right away. That's like asking Dreamhack to do a February tournament. The IEM tournament season ending was not some byproduct of Blizzard and WCS.
- So you are telling me that a dead GOM and a Kespa/OGN with 100 percent control is a good thing?
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I think this is pretty good as long as the big MLG events can still happen and manage to attract top players, as they were the only time we saw Kespa players outside Korea.
I'm sure NASL will doa great job day to day and being able to do the live events in their own backyard should help them + Blizzzard and a lot of community figures are around to help easier.
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On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot. Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim.
I just want to respond to that last portion: I love Axeltoss solo casting, but the dual cast with Axslav is absolutely terrible (I find, some people enjoy it but me and others don't). Bad time for EU you say? The GSL and WCS KR were/are around 1-5 am in the Americas, and during the working day for Europe. They get plenty of viewers. This whole timeslot business only matters to a casual audience that is just looking for something entertaining at the time, but maybe that's WCS America's problem, the skill (especially of Challenger League) is so low it doesn't have the dedicated fanbase willing to watch it no matter the time.
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that maybe for people like you casters don't matter too much, but dare I say for the majority of StarCraft viewers they matter a whole damn lot. Just look at heavily moderated WCS America Twitch chat or Proleague Twitch chat for evidence of that. Plenty of people risk being banned to say they don't like the casters and new ones should be hired.
EDIT: And just to add to my last statement, google Tastosis. Or even look at the videos produced of Wolf's hair comments. The GomTV casters are very popular.
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YEEESSSSSSSS
So much better.
I remember Mr. Bitter saying on SotG a couple episodes ago, when asked "Is NASL stopping SC2 content?", he just said, "No, NASL will have...a LOT...of SC2 content coming up. That's all I'll say." He then turned off his camera and left for a meeting hahaha
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Very happy NASL will be able to show us what WCS America is all about! Can't wait for season 2!
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