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Austria24422 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning?
Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already.
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Group G looks boring like hell.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning?
Flash just proxy Starport'ed Fantasy in PL lol (I just found it funny)
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What happened to the legendary ODT ? 
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On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already.
so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp.
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp.
BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time.
Also who said it's easy? I'm saying it's far more about luck than a Bo3.
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On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time.
so you are saying SC2 is trash and rewards bad players?
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:10 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time. so you are saying SC2 is trash and rewards bad players?
Stop putting words in my mouth, especially if it's gonna be such garbage.
I'm saying Bo1 rewards worse players. The longer a series, the higher chances are the better player wins. That's just how it works. If you don't understand that then there's no point in arguing with you and I'd recommend you go to school and take a basic math course that teaches probability.
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On June 13 2013 17:10 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time. so you are saying SC2 is trash and rewards bad players?
No he is not, for the hundreth time. Read his posts and stop trolling.
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:10 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time. so you are saying SC2 is trash and rewards bad players?
Please look up the difference between "bad", and "worse". The notion of "relativity" will help with this.
Well, unless you actually think that anyone who's not INnoVation/Flash/Soulkey is bad, but then... I don't even know what to add...
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Parting, Squirtle and Yonghwa? What. Why.
Bo1? What is this i dont even
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what in the world of the actual fuck is this format. we have to sacrifice a GSL season for this bullshit? smh.
ah well, gonna predict Flash not advancing from ro32.
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:23 Schelim wrote:
what in the world of the actual fuck is this format. we have to sacrifice a GSL season for this bullshit? smh.
ah well, gonna predict Flash not advancing from ro32.
3CC => Busted.
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So is this crap replacing the standard GSL tournament? Bo1's for round of 32 makes the entire tournament lose all legitimacy. I really hope this OSL tournament doesn't have an impact on GSL at least and that we get the round of 32 that qualified last time. Why couldn't Blizzard just let OSL die....
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Best of 1 ro32? Noooooo =( I want to see more games...
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:33 Krogan wrote:
So is this crap replacing the standard GSL tournament? Bo1's for round of 32 makes the entire tournament lose all legitimacy. I really hope this OSL tournament doesn't have an impact on GSL at least and that we get the round of 32 that qualified last time. Why couldn't Blizzard just let OSL die....
You know, OSL has run, like.... one of the most prestigious leagues in BW ? And is on TV ?
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United Kingdom12041 Posts
God damn Fantasy has a hard group. Nooooo! T_T
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On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time. Also who said it's easy? I'm saying it's far more about luck than a Bo3.
Not sure this is true anymore. Innovation has a higher win rate in Hots than flash did in BW and nearly all "top players" have >60% win rates which is pretty comparable to their BW counterparts.
BW: Flash 72%, Bisu 66%, Fantasy 62%, Jangbi 55%, Stork 60%, Jaedong 67%.
HotS: Innovation 75%, Flash 68%, MVP 67%, Soulket 65%, SoS 60%, Rain 63%, Life 67%, Jangbi 61%,
So top players have higher win rates pretty much across the board in Hots
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Australia54784 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:40 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:07 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 17:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 17:02 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:56 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:52 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 16:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just gonna state this every time Bo1 format comes up. I could take first place in a Bo1 group by proxy gating 2 times in a row and hoping my opponents build order lose to it. Mindgames man. In a Bo3+ the possibility of that working is infinitely smaller. Yeah, which is why we see all the players go for proxy gates in Proleague and the U&D matches. There's proxy gates all the time in PL, lol. When was the last time there was a proxy gate in a PvP? Why just PvP? There's proxy gates in every matchup, lol. HerO vs Flash, Jaedong vs I forgot who, Stork vs Zest, etcetc. Btw WCS Finals had sOs proxy gating HerO So basically, a few times a month? But since Bo1 is so random, why doesn't the inferior player just go for a proxy gate every single game so that they have a completely equal chance of winning? Because it gets predictable? But doing it twice in a row immediately is a legitimate mindgame. Just like Seed doing his proxy warp prism all in twice in a row to mess with MC's head. That would never work if he did it every game. But hey, it would've gotten him first place in a Bo1 group already. so why was it always the same ~10-12 players with 4-6 new ones? if it's so easy 2 just cheese out of a grp. BW =|= SC2. More randomness in SC2. For the millionth time. Also who said it's easy? I'm saying it's far more about luck than a Bo3. Not sure this is true anymore. Innovation has a higher win rate in Hots than flash did in BW and nearly all "top players" have >60% win rates which is pretty comparable to their BW counterparts. BW: Flash 72%, Bisu 66%, Fantasy 62%, Jangbi 55%, Stork 60%, Jaedong 67%. HotS: Innovation 75%, Flash 68%, MVP 67%, Soulket 65%, SoS 60%, Hyun 63%, Rain 63%, Life 67%, Jangbi 61%, So top players have higher win rates pretty much across the board in Hots
i think the game isn't quite 'figured' out even yet to say much. mvp and bomber also had pretty epic winrates back in early sc2 days, 75%+, and other progamers also had 65-70% as well
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 13 2013 17:37 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 17:33 Krogan wrote:
So is this crap replacing the standard GSL tournament? Bo1's for round of 32 makes the entire tournament lose all legitimacy. I really hope this OSL tournament doesn't have an impact on GSL at least and that we get the round of 32 that qualified last time. Why couldn't Blizzard just let OSL die.... You know, OSL has run, like.... one of the most prestigious leagues in BW ? And is on TV ?
Doesn't mean what they are doing is right does it?
Yes they have done this way more than GSL has ever had but that is not the point. This isn't an OSL this isn't a GSL, this is a WCS tournament. You would think blizzard would have made it set rules for everyone to follow. Not one tournament saying, BO1 RO32 and every other doing BO3 RO32.
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