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On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense?
Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here?
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Woo yay! Finally Power Rank for SC2.
To the guys complaining about Innovation being #1, PowerRank is based on MONTHLY performance and you can't argue against Innovation's impressive play since HotS came out. The only top player he doesn't have a even or positive W:L against is Soulkey. Like Flash, he has been carrying his team in Proleague. Just look at his road to GSL final. Thats like the hardest path to the finals ever.
With exception of Rain(OSL Champ and PL beast) and Flash(God) both of whom are in the race for most wins in this PL Season along with Innovation, everyone Innovation beat on the way to the finals was a GSL finalist/champion. And he beat them all in a convincing fashion apart from a 1:2 loss to Rain in the first match. I'm a big Soulkey supporter but even I can see Innovation is #1 for this month. Especially considering Soulkey lost some games he should no way have lost and showed some wtf are you doing moments, especially the Game 4 against Parting where his ling runby wrecked shit up into spine the fuck up into lose and sOs series shitfest. While Soulkey is also very good in PL, he hasn't had as many opportunities as Flash and Innovation to roll over the opposition so Innovation also has that over him. Innovation #1.
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On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then x is better. Am I missing something here?
You are missing math called variance?
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You shitting me? You could say Soulkey lost the first 3 games and Innovation didnt win them too. He looked like garbage and made tons of mistakes. In the end he took the series and has a winning record versus him. He also beat the other guys to get to the finals. How is that worth a second place placing? Also you are trying to compare him to Seed etc? Soulkey has been one of the most feared Kespa players basically since they joined. He along with Effort and a couple others were always put out there as the best. Now he wins and he is doubted and yet the 2nd place person isnt? Hah.
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Power Rank-discussions... oh how I used to love this. ^____________^
Don't care enough about SC2 to get involved though, but it's still fun to read. :D
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I'm actually pretty ok with how the rankings are. I mean I feel like #10 will always be a highly debated spot. Hope to see sOs move up in the coming months and take the top protoss spot. I think Life will be able to move back up, too, once he starts playing some more games again.
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On June 05 2013 11:45 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then x is better. Am I missing something here? You are missing math called variance?
As I said before, it would be one thing if he just beat him on ladder or in the middle of a tourney. But to beat him and win one of if not the most competitive tournament makes it extremely difficult to argue that Soulkey is not better.
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Totally agree with the powerlist. Putting Hero above MVP might feel a bit weird, but if you think about it, Hero does look really solid nowadays, not only winning WCS NA but also taking out some great players at Proleague. MVP was only seen in WCS EU, and while he did great there, his play seemed less solid than Hero's.
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On June 05 2013 11:44 yrt123 wrote:
Woo yay! Finally Power Rank for SC2.
To the guys complaining about Innovation being #1, PowerRank is based on MONTHLY performance and you can't argue against Innovation's impressive play since HotS came out. The only top player he doesn't have a even or positive W:L against is Soulkey. Like Flash, he has been carrying his team in Proleague. Just look at his road to GSL final. Thats like the hardest path to the finals ever.
With exception of Rain(OSL Champ and PL beast) and Flash(God), everyone he beat on the way to the finals was a GSL finalist/champion. And he beat them all in a convincing fashion apart from a 1:2 loss to Rain in the first match. I'm a big Soulkey supporter but even I can see Innovation is #1 for this month. Especially considering Soulkey lost some games he should no way have lost and showed some wtf are you doing moments, especially the Game 4 against Parting where his ling runby wrecked shit up into spine the fuck up into lose and sOs series shitfest. While Soulkey is also very good in PL, he hasn't had as many opportunities as Flash and Innovation to roll over the opposition so Innovation also has that over him. Innovation #1.
Isn't that a contradiction when making your own argument?
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On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here?
Ok, take this situation. x player is 100-0 in Proleague. y player is 0-100 in Proleague against the same players. They play a series, and y wins 4-3. Is y the better player now?
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On June 05 2013 11:41 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:18 Dodgin wrote:On June 05 2013 10:59 Myrddraal wrote:On June 05 2013 10:26 Dodgin wrote:
Objectively, Hero and Mvp both don't deserve to be on the list, Losira deserves to be on the list.
I really don't understand how he was overlooked so easily, and there's not even an explanation for his absence, just " the only player to qualify from WCS KR not on the list ". Why isn't he on the list? It deserves an explanation. edit: it seems the OP was edited
Hero has been doing well in Proleague but his WCS AM championship was rather unimpressive, he lost 2 maps to Revival who was on a 10 game losing streak in Proleague until very recently. I mean, if someone like Revival can make the finals in WCS AM It's not a tournament worth talking about when we figure out who the 10 best players in the world are.
Mvp has played in basically nothing other than WCS EU where he did win in dominating fashion(other than losing to Lucifron) after the offline phase started, but It's still WCS EU, It's not comparable to WCS KR. He played a grand total of 0 Koreans, although the non Koreans were good players they're still non Koreans. That isn't Objectively at all, that is just your opinion buddy, I don't know how you can pretend otherwise. Looking at the players Losira beat recently (TRUE (x2), Soo, Gumiho, Bomber) compared to HerO (herO, Jangbi, Roro, Flash, Alicia, Ryung, Revival, decent foreigners) how can you say that Losira's results are objectively better during this period? I weigh GSL results more than Proleague, Other than Flash and Roro the caliber of players they played is about the same. I say objectively because I am a big fan of both Hero and Mvp so I'm looking outside of my own bias. WCS AM and EU results are worth almost nothing in relation to a Power Rank of the top 10 players in the world, if Hero were to deserve a spot on the ranking it would have to be almost entirely from his Proleague results, which are good but not as good as some other players who are not on the list. Zest from KT comes to mind immediately, TY from Team 8 as well. I think too much weight is put on WCS AM & EU, Mvp shouldn't be #11, part of that is probably because It's Mvp but I don't think you should place players on faith alone. This would have been a lot easier to do had the list come out after the season finals, we'll see who is right soon enough. Hm okay my bad, I thought you were only comparing HerO, MVP and Losira. Even still, I would argue that first in AM and a decent Proleague record to back it up is better than eighth in KR and at least comparable to a superior Proleague record. I honestly think you are weighting GSL ranks too highly and EU/AM too low, don't get me wrong I do agree with your ordering of preference, but I disagree with the margin of difference, hence why your opinion is still only Subjective, since its based on how you choose to weight the different leagues.
I'll concede that point, you're right. My tournament weights are subjective and everyone's will be different. Maybe I'm not giving enough respect to WCS AM & EU, but Revival making the finals in WCS AM with his 5-14 record and recent 10 game losing streak in Proleague makes it hard for me to take the tournament seriously. Mvp did dominate the ro8 onward in WCS EU, but It's hard to say how much that really means because while TLO, Dimaga and Stephano are amazing players, how good are they compared to the players the Korean representatives have been playing against? The answer isn't clear because foreigners have almost no chance to play against Kespa players since MLG 3 days after HotS launch. Maybe the gap is closer than I think? Like I said we'll find out soon.
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hey when are we going to have a sospa power rank ~_~
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On June 05 2013 11:50 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here? Ok, take this situation. x player is 100-0 in Proleague. y player is 0-100 in Proleague against the same players. They play a series, and y wins 4-3. Is y the better player now?
Valid argument and I see your point. I guess I read the rankings under the assumption that the individual league took precedence over the team league. But I don't think Soulkey's Proleague performance is so much worse than Innovations to trump his individual win against him for the WCS KR title.
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everything seems fine except BaBy not being up there while HerO being there
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On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here?
Just wondering, with the flawless logic you're using there, what happens if c beats x and then loses to y. Who should be on top in that three man ranking? 
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On June 05 2013 11:50 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:44 yrt123 wrote:
Woo yay! Finally Power Rank for SC2.
To the guys complaining about Innovation being #1, PowerRank is based on MONTHLY performance and you can't argue against Innovation's impressive play since HotS came out. The only top player he doesn't have a even or positive W:L against is Soulkey. Like Flash, he has been carrying his team in Proleague. Just look at his road to GSL final. Thats like the hardest path to the finals ever.
With exception of Rain(OSL Champ and PL beast) and Flash(God), everyone he beat on the way to the finals was a GSL finalist/champion. And he beat them all in a convincing fashion apart from a 1:2 loss to Rain in the first match. I'm a big Soulkey supporter but even I can see Innovation is #1 for this month. Especially considering Soulkey lost some games he should no way have lost and showed some wtf are you doing moments, especially the Game 4 against Parting where his ling runby wrecked shit up into spine the fuck up into lose and sOs series shitfest. While Soulkey is also very good in PL, he hasn't had as many opportunities as Flash and Innovation to roll over the opposition so Innovation also has that over him. Innovation #1. Isn't that a contradiction when making your own argument?
The article already said it is accounting for earlier results as well since it is the first Power Rank of SC2 did it not?
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On June 05 2013 11:52 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:50 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:
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What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here? Ok, take this situation. x player is 100-0 in Proleague. y player is 0-100 in Proleague against the same players. They play a series, and y wins 4-3. Is y the better player now? Valid argument and I see your point. I guess I read the rankings under the assumption that the individual league took precedence over the team league. But I don't think Soulkey's Proleague performance is so much worse than Innovations to trump his individual win against him for the WCS KR title.
Looking at round 5 which was basically the month of may
Soulkey: 5-4
Innovation: 11-3
Depends on who you subjectively weight each league
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On June 05 2013 11:54 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:44 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 11:29 GolemMadness wrote:On June 05 2013 11:03 takingbackoj wrote:On June 05 2013 10:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 05 2013 10:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better. What kind of terrible flawed logic is this? Yeah it's kind of puzzling how that was decided. I could see if Soulkey beat Innovation and then didn't go on to win WCS KR, then I might be able to see an argument. But since that was the finals, I am not sure how you can say the guy that beat Innovation and won the tourney is not better than Innovation. Strange. I also agree with those puzzled about Hero being #10. I like the guy but he's not top 10. Seems like he got the Liquid bump. Any who, as an NFL fan I love Power Rankings as much as I loathe Power Rankings. They never seem to make sense to anyone other than the person who makes them but its fun to insult the rankers logic. Winning a series doesn't automatically make you the better player, regardless of how important that series is. That is flawed logic. Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? Am I in an alternate world or something. That sounds incredibly logical to me. If x beats y then x is better. If y beats x then y is better. Am I missing something here? Just wondering, with the flawless logic you're using there, what happens if c beats x and then loses to y. Who should be on top in that three man ranking?
That didn't happen though. Soulkey beat him and then continued on to win the tournament. I would probably go off of alphabetical order at that point and say C wins.
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