EPTSC2 Power Rank - June 2013 - Page 9
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:32 Waxangel wrote: this is so much better than that sissy peaceful dota2 power rank Agreed. Power rankings should be hotly debated. Why else make them? | ||
Waxangel
United States33502 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 05 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Soukey beats Innovation in the one objective way to show skill and still gets placed behind Innovation. OK. Flash still getting by on his reputation. He's been hyped as 'looking to prove his dominance' for six months now. Hasn't happened. Also, Proleague BO1's given too much weight honestly. Especially given the lack of competition against ESF players. Since getting knocked out of code S, Flash has gone 18-3. Getting by on his reputation...? Also, why does it matter that ESF players aren't playing? Unless you think that ESF players are significantly better than Kespa players, what's the difference? | ||
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1handsomE
United States199 Posts
I was actually gonna make a really fail one just to offend the TL mods so much they made a legit one. Beat me to it. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:33 Waxangel wrote: bwahahaha Europe hasn't even woken up yet to lobby for Stephano in top 10 but Naniwa got 2 GSL Ro8s | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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Frumpysnoo
United States247 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:27 WildCardNinja wrote: I hope soulkey can do something soon, just luck can only help a player for so long. Soulkey fought tooth and nail through every bracket he was in. He didn't give up in any series' he was down in, and he pushed himself all the way to the finals and more. The guy has nerves of steel, and an unwillingness to give up. You can't call that luck.. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote: Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. But there are also three different matchups to consider. X vs Y is only one of them, you know. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:32 takingbackoj wrote: Flawed logic? It's the only sound logic there is. Everything else is based on opinion. Playing someone heads up is the best way to determine whos better. No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
 Also, to those saying soulkey over innovation, stop kidding yourselves. | ||
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:35 AlternativeEgo wrote: But there are also three different matchups to consider. X vs Y is only one of them, you know. I get what your saying and after its all said and done, power rankings have to have an element of opinion but its tough for me to buy Innovation being ranked above Soulkey because Soulkey beat him heads up. He also beat a number of other top pros along the way to winning WCS KR. And they were all best of series. The purpose of best of series is to minimize luck and reward the better player. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: I want Turn in the power rank because he crushed Innovation in proleague and clearly if he beats Innovation he's the better player Hey, if he beaten him in a GSL final, by all means. Or wait i get it. A proleague Bo1 is rated as high as a GSL final right. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
Oh, also, you say Soulkey "fumbled his way to the championship[.]" How amusing to reference a negative verb in relation to obtaining the hardest title in SC2. And then when he reverse-kills who you call the best player, innovation, now it is just innovation doing the fucking up, rather than Soulkey impressing? I even agree that Innovation is probably the better player overall, but you kind of unnecessarily dragged soulkey through the mud to get the point across. "Oh soulkey won? So did Jjakji once. NEXT!" | ||
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:37 GolemMadness wrote: No, it isn't. What if they played another series afterwards and Innovation won? Now are they suddenly equal? A ton of different factors go into who wins a series. Skill, nerves, luck, race match up, help with preparation, etc. Saying that one player is just automatically better because he won a single deciding game is just ridiculous. No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough row to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:18 Dodgin wrote: I weigh GSL results more than Proleague, Other than Flash and Roro the caliber of players they played is about the same. I say objectively because I am a big fan of both Hero and Mvp so I'm looking outside of my own bias. WCS AM and EU results are worth almost nothing in relation to a Power Rank of the top 10 players in the world, if Hero were to deserve a spot on the ranking it would have to be almost entirely from his Proleague results, which are good but not as good as some other players who are not on the list. Zest from KT comes to mind immediately, TY from Team 8 as well. I think too much weight is put on WCS AM & EU, Mvp shouldn't be #11, part of that is probably because It's Mvp but I don't think you should place players on faith alone. This would have been a lot easier to do had the list come out after the season finals, we'll see who is right soon enough. Hm okay my bad, I thought you were only comparing HerO, MVP and Losira. Even still, I would argue that first in AM and a decent Proleague record to back it up is better than eighth in KR and at least comparable to a superior Proleague record. I honestly think you are weighting GSL ranks too highly and EU/AM too low, don't get me wrong I do agree with your ordering of preference, but I disagree with the margin of difference, hence why your opinion is still only Subjective, since its based on how you choose to weight the different leagues. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:40 takingbackoj wrote: No they wouldn't be equal. Innovation would be better because he didn't lose to him. Thats how sports work. If the Heat win the finals it would be a rough road to hoe to claim the Spurs were better. So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 05 2013 11:41 GolemMadness wrote: So what you're saying is that when Soulkey wins a series, he's the better player, but then if they play another series afterwards and Innovation wins, suddenly he's the better player? Do you not realise that this logic makes zero sense? It's not a random series tough. It were the finals, shouldn't that count for a tiny bit more? These players have gotten a week of preperation purely for this one bo7. | ||
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