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On May 10 2013 11:45 Boraz wrote:
I want to weigh in on this. I have personal experience with IdrA on ladder from a long time ago and was cursed out by him. It's just who he is. Those who say "it's just a game, anybody who gets mad is mentally unstable" are mentally idiotic themselves. Go watch an NBA game, MLB game, NFL game, players get mad all the time. They are in their profession, as IdrA is. I've seen MLB players strike out and proceed to slam the bat against the wall, or do other things that you might consider mentally unstable, but is really just their way to get their anger out.
The psychologist was to help him get correct mentally to be able to compete at a higher level. I was trying to break into the professional scene and couldn't do the 12 hour a day practices and was never mentally focused. The highest I got was top masters playing against grandmasters, but I never beat the likes of IdrA, and definitely never beat a korean. I gave my dream up because I realized I would never be able to compete at the highest level. IdrA had the psychologist to help him compete at a higher level so he could WIN!.
Everybody who says this is just a game...maybe it is for you. For the professional gamers, it's their career. Everybody gets angry in their careers.
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haha, no this isn't /thread just because you say so.
everybody probably gets angry, but very few people show the direct contempt for their chosen career, their peers and their fanbase that idra did. it was a ticking time bomb given his team, who is probably the most outwardly progressive SC2 organization in terms of moderating the outbursts of their members.
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On May 10 2013 11:45 Boraz wrote:
I want to weigh in on this. I have personal experience with IdrA on ladder from a long time ago and was cursed out by him. It's just who he is. Those who say "it's just a game, anybody who gets mad is mentally unstable" are mentally idiotic themselves. Go watch an NBA game, MLB game, NFL game, players get mad all the time. They are in their profession, as IdrA is. I've seen MLB players strike out and proceed to slam the bat against the wall, or do other things that you might consider mentally unstable, but is really just their way to get their anger out.
The psychologist was to help him get correct mentally to be able to compete at a higher level. I was trying to break into the professional scene and couldn't do the 12 hour a day practices and was never mentally focused. The highest I got was top masters playing against grandmasters, but I never beat the likes of IdrA, and definitely never beat a korean. I gave my dream up because I realized I would never be able to compete at the highest level. IdrA had the psychologist to help him compete at a higher level so he could WIN!.
Everybody who says this is just a game...maybe it is for you. For the professional gamers, it's their career. Everybody gets angry in their careers.
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To continue with the professional sports theme; how often do you find NBA stars chastising their fans in press conferences? Are you saying because emotion exists, that a professional is therefore unaccountable? Frankly, in professional sports, the backlash would have happened quite some time ago; he'd have been reprimanded, fined, benched, traded or worse after only a handful of incidents - let alone a career chalk full of unprofessional behavior. He's wearing and developing a brand that EG wants to cultivate and grow. He's a smart guy, there's no doubt in my mind he realizes this - he just couldn't keep his emotions in check.
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Good luck to both parties, henceforth.
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On May 10 2013 11:46 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:18 Defacer wrote:I can only imagine what must have gone through EG.Alex's head when he read this. "ACTUALLY, you don't get paid to treat people like fucks. You get paid TO WIN, JERKASS." LOL no. They've probably have been pondering over his release for a very long time now, and Alex was probably like "Damn, I guess we'll have to fire him for that one :/". It's not like it hits EG now that IdrA's behavior in and out of the game is questionable and not deserving of his status and salary :D
Oh, totally agree. They've been having problems with IdrA's attitude for a long time now. This is obviously just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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mad props to EG, they earned a fan with this one.
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Good job EG. As someone who played Terran in Brood War I always looked up to IdrA, even despite his bad behavior back then. It was excusable because he was sacrificing so much, he was alone in Korea and living the hard life of a B-team player. Now he's only gotten more famous, more pampered and yet his attitude is worse than ever. Maybe he should retire.
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On May 10 2013 11:49 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:46 ZenithM wrote:On May 10 2013 11:18 Defacer wrote:I can only imagine what must have gone through EG.Alex's head when he read this. "ACTUALLY, you don't get paid to treat people like fucks. You get paid TO WIN, JERKASS." LOL no. They've probably have been pondering over his release for a very long time now, and Alex was probably like "Damn, I guess we'll have to fire him for that one :/". It's not like it hits EG now that IdrA's behavior in and out of the game is questionable and not deserving of his status and salary :D Oh, totally agree. They've been having problems with IdrA's attitude for a long time now. This is obviously just the straw that broke the camel's back.
I personally believe it's the multiple times IdrA's rolled DeMuslim 5 times a row on ladder and left after 5 seconds.
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wow 93 pages in 4.5 hours. I wonder if that breaks a non-LR thread record.
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On May 10 2013 11:35 StevenWang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:30 Myia wrote:On May 10 2013 11:25 StevenWang wrote:
I heard from a close friend of Katy Torg that he has hit her and got physical with her. He needs mental help, and it is clear as day. EG cannot help him, they tried. Even hired a psychiatrist for him. I'm sorry, but what you are saying is totally unfounded without proof. This goes even further than the ranting that has gone on in this thread. This is a crime. If you are claiming this actually happened, proof, police, and get it sorted. Even better, dont bring it up in the first place on a forum with thousands of readers. This is just fabrication unless there is proof. And like i said, its a crime, so proof should go to police, not to here. Did I state it as fact? No. Did it come from MY mouth, no. I stated he has a mental problem. Anyone that calls people faggot, and breaks things over a game is mentally not stable. It's a video game bro... You wanna net money? Play better. Don't use your words to bring down others or bring in views. This isn't drama. This is about skill. Let him keeping his t.v.show on twitch, who cares. He wont net what Life does in a year. His earnings this year were nothing of what is to be expected of the top sc bw player and a top sc2 player that doesn't take breaks and makes 40k a year. What I said is hearsay, I understand. But EG did publicly state they brought in a psychologist specifically for him. He is deranged, and wouldn't be surprised if he hurts himself or others. User was temp banned for this post.
Forget that it's IdrA and forget that it's Starcraft.
You're accusing a man of beating a woman on a public forum without the slightest shred of proof.
Get a clue.
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On May 10 2013 11:46 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:43 Thrillz wrote:On May 10 2013 11:30 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 11:12 Erosive wrote:On May 10 2013 11:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 10 2013 11:01 Jornada wrote:
Everybody who EG signs goes down hill....
IdrA needs time away from game i think as well. yeah just like suppy & demuslim right? Just because suppy did good in one group doesn't make up for his overall results which are basically none. Demuslim is NA's favourite, that's about it. Lackluster skill, as soon as he meets a Korean on ladder you can see how silly of a player his is. Yes as "soon" as Demuslim meets Koreans he loses. Any other facts you'd like to pull out of your ass? Demuslim beats Polt all the time in TvT, Hyun, lots of good Koreans. Alot of them are barcodes as well. He recently destroyed some Chinese players as well. The only player he has difficulty with seemingly is Byun. I doubt that he's alone in that. Demuslim is improving but he's not that level to compete with Koreans yet. And no he doesn't beat Polt all the time, he won like may 3-4 games out of a ton. Not at the level to compete with Koreans . . . watching his stream, I'd have to disagree. He beats Koreans regulary. Not as often as he beats foreigners of course. His win-rate minus the 16 Byun games in a row is literally 80% or above in all match ups on ladder. Ranked #1 GM on NA consistently. Koreans play on NA with relatively low lag. Evidence backs up the claim that he can compete with Koreans at this time.
Yes but no one these days use ladder as a measure, and being ranked 1 GM in NA doesn't mean you can compete with the Koreans. I'm hopeful on his improvement and all, but right now where would he rank among all Koreans? Because realistically I don't see him as Code A(or at best Code A on a good day) in Korea, especially if you add the Koreas who ditched. That's more about how far ahead Korea is than anything else though.
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On May 10 2013 11:46 skatblast wrote:
Imagine this, IdrA switches races to terran where he is an absolute mechanical beast, he plays in solitude for a few weeks on a barcode for 12+ hours a day perfecting his craft. He reemerges as Idrajit the new and improved IdrA, moves to korea to rejoin CJ Entus and becomes once again thee foreign powerhouse.
One can only dream. goodluck idra please dont leave the scene for good.
Something along those lines would be so amazingly awesome.
Unfortunately amazingly unlikely. =/
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Wow This is Unreal.. for me EG was Idra and Idra was EG.. how can this be? :O I feel there is more to this.. and im deeply saddened.. he was much more than a player to EG. He is a brand and a name a lot of people look upto. I don't even know what to think of EG anymore.
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Love him or hate him, Idra was the face of EG and United States' Starcraft. It was only recently that he fell from the top 25 highest earned players worldwide too.
I'm not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, I see why Alex and the EG management made the decision but on the other, I feel for Greg and think this punishment is too severe. Idk...
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On May 10 2013 11:51 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:46 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 11:43 Thrillz wrote:On May 10 2013 11:30 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 11:12 Erosive wrote:On May 10 2013 11:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 10 2013 11:01 Jornada wrote:
Everybody who EG signs goes down hill....
IdrA needs time away from game i think as well. yeah just like suppy & demuslim right? Just because suppy did good in one group doesn't make up for his overall results which are basically none. Demuslim is NA's favourite, that's about it. Lackluster skill, as soon as he meets a Korean on ladder you can see how silly of a player his is. Yes as "soon" as Demuslim meets Koreans he loses. Any other facts you'd like to pull out of your ass? Demuslim beats Polt all the time in TvT, Hyun, lots of good Koreans. Alot of them are barcodes as well. He recently destroyed some Chinese players as well. The only player he has difficulty with seemingly is Byun. I doubt that he's alone in that. Demuslim is improving but he's not that level to compete with Koreans yet. And no he doesn't beat Polt all the time, he won like may 3-4 games out of a ton. Not at the level to compete with Koreans . . . watching his stream, I'd have to disagree. He beats Koreans regulary. Not as often as he beats foreigners of course. His win-rate minus the 16 Byun games in a row is literally 80% or above in all match ups on ladder. Ranked #1 GM on NA consistently. Koreans play on NA with relatively low lag. Evidence backs up the claim that he can compete with Koreans at this time. Yes but no one these days use ladder as a measure, and being ranked 1 GM in NA doesn't mean you can compete with the Koreans. I'm hopeful on his improvement and all, but right now where would he rank among all Koreans? Because realistically I don't see him as Code A in Korea. That's more about how far ahead Korea is than anything else though.
He's maybe Code A. On a good day. For whatever reason he only gets rolled by ByuN and Polt, he beats HyuN and most other barcodes regularly, about even on matches.
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On May 10 2013 11:47 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:44 Cele wrote:
i think he used to like playing broodwar more then sc2. Okay thats capt. obv. mode. But it
necessarily means, you are going to less motivated, easier frustrated, more agressive if you have to play the game for a living you dont like. Or if you perceive yourself as "having to". For me this is the whole difference between "broodwar idra" and "total meltdown sc2 idra". I agree that's all a reasonable guess about what's going on with him. I just don't want to make assumptions about what the guy's inner monologue looks like or what might be going on in his life.
Well that would be presumptuous, i agree. it was just a thought construct.
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On May 10 2013 07:24 Darion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:23 heartagram wrote:
Machine stayed on EG longer than Idra. haha, jesus Outside of his play, I can't think of a single person who actively dislikes Bryce as a person and personality. He's pretty much Incontrol lite.
Bryce is awesome, was my favorite player on EG for a while lol.
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I think the main problem is the fact Idra is no more the "Evil Genius" that was back in the day. He could be the "Victor von Doom of the sc2 community", the ultimate troll that win and insult his opponents, the foreign menace for the "good and profesional koreans" and get respect and a lot of apreciations from this particular behavior.
But be the evil one without results make him look so patetic nowadays.
Sorry if i am so rude but i really loved it at his peak of results.
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You'd have to imagine he really did not like SC2 'cause he had to have been making a very decent living. He's smart, so he knew the possible consequences of his actions. Might just be for the best for him in the long run.
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I believe they did the right thing in releasing IdrA. My whole point was that people saying "it's just a game, why you mad bro" and stuff are complete idiots. Yes, he had to much of a temper. And it cost him his job....but it was his JOB...not just a GAME.
And yes I have seen professional sport players talk about fans after the game, also officials.
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Now that he's left EG maybe he can actually win something. He won't be contractually obligated to suck and never win a tournamnet like every other EG player
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