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On May 10 2013 11:29 StevenWang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:26 CypherX wrote:On May 10 2013 11:25 StevenWang wrote:
I heard from a close friend of Katy Torg that he has hit her and got physical with her. He needs mental help, and it is clear as day. EG cannot help him, they tried. Even hired a psychiatrist for him. That's called hearsay. I heard from a close personal friend of yours that your full of shit? Confirm? See how that doesn't quiet work? Take it as you may. I can't 100% confirm what was said. However, EG did INFACT bring in a psychologist for him... That is FACT. Not to mention he broke Astro headphones after losing to Dragon, and called him a "faggot." Not to mention all the rage he does and abusive to EG's fan base. "you're all a bunch of fucks." "losers." Etc. So w/e. Boss.
your just trying to paint a picture of a woman abuser because you heard some shit and cuz he's been known to rage before. and.... eg bringing in a psychologist for him... iv been to the psychologist before for adhd/depression.. breaking headsets and calling people names on the internet?? iv slammed my hand on my desk before over losing... iv thrown things in rage before(not StarCraft). But seriously you sound like one of those people who thinks that just because someone sees a therapist there crazy. like oooo your seeing a shrink you must be loony. and yea he just said your all a bunch of fucks like yesterday... what else is new? throwing things around like that is pretty stupid.. I'm not gonna go and defend people hitting woman AT ALL.. but.. Havn't you heard of melodrama being made over a slap on the wrist? this is drama in the extreme and unfounded nonsense. piss off. Greg has enough going on to tarnish his reputation without this shit.
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On May 10 2013 11:36 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:28 StarStruck wrote:
It's just who the guy is. Perhaps he should get away from gaming in general because assuming what you say is accurate the guy's been like that ever since we met him in BW. I don't think that's true. Sure, raging in games is one thing, but more recently the commentary about hating playing the game, problems with teammates, and directing anger at basically everyone who watches the game, that's a qualitatively different thing.
i think he used to like playing broodwar more then sc2. Okay thats capt. obv. mode. But it
necessarily means, you are going to less motivated, easier frustrated, more agressive if you have to play the game for a living you dont like. Or if you perceive yourself as "having to". For me this is the whole difference between "broodwar idra" and "total meltdown sc2 idra".
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On May 10 2013 11:31 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:22 TheExile19 wrote:On May 10 2013 11:13 Sokrates wrote:
No i accept that we are all of human nature and we all have our flaws. Some have less flaws some have more, nobody is perfect. Nobody is the ideal human being and most of the stuff you see in public of famous athlets is only because the public wants them to be that way, not the person itself wants to behave that way. That is oppression for me. Someone using force on another person to behave in a different way because otherwise he/she has to face consequences, and losing a job is a big consequence and not just a slap on the wrist. But people outside have an easy time to see heads roll because they are not in that situation. I dislike a lot of players in the sc2 community for whatever reason, but the last thing i d do is msg their sponsors and get them kicked out of a team. Unlike you i dont want everybody to be a faceless PCcreature that wirtes "gg" everytime and follows the society becaue they have to instead of being themselves.
1) i never say gg, lies and slander 2) there's a distinct irony in you saying there is no ideal human/society under the ID sokrates 3) part of the implicit social contract of being a celebrity is that you don't be a douche, or if you do, you produce results. I guess idra probably could have continued on if he won WCS AM, otherwise this was written in the stars. 4) your "argument" from what people apparently want to behave like rests on an incredibly flimsy assumption to the point where it ceases to be an argument and is just an opinion. you also made this same argument last year that is still suffering from the same pathetic fallacy, i.e. what about his feelings maaaaaaaaaaaan?!. I don't give a shit about his feelings or his intent, like just about any adult I care about his results and what he shows, and what he continues to show is that he doesn't belong in a growing scene skill-wise or attitude-wise. sorry fans, I feel worse for you than I do for idra, who is a perfectly capable individual who isn't going to be on the street because of this. 1. Same here or very rarely. 2. I used to call me little brother ironically sokrates, but then i liked the nick for myself. 3. So you say "act like a douche all you want if you bring in results." Interesting view. 4. If you only care about results, why the fuck do you care when somebody says something offensive? And by that standard nobody should give a fuck about the NA scene at all because nobody produces the results that acutally justify barely any attention at all. By that standard we should only care about the korean scene and a handfull of foreigners.
saying that you can be offensive, produce results and still be okay isn't a preference of mine so much as it is an admission that amazingly shitty people exist with dedicated fanbases, but most of the time those people have specific situations where they have skills that they can use to justify that behavior.
at the end of the day, anybody in the public eye is nothing but their image or reputation, and that image is comprised of many things but two of them are results and the personal beliefs/actions of the player that produces those results. not only are idra's public statements a result, but they factor in importantly to the question of whether he remains a viable player to support when it's basically his results against his negative PR. exactly like destiny, idra's bullshit overbalances what he brings to the table, and he's gone after who knows how much money invested to try and reform him.
honestly, I don't really support or care about the NA scene as is. the changes that the NA scene needs to make are structural, not fanbase-related (sooooo many people want it to succeed), so until then, I basically agree with your accusation.
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On May 10 2013 11:37 Wpgstevo wrote:
And to a certain extent, Idra is right - he does attract a lot of viewers without performing. I've always found it embarrassing for the community to see Liquid.HerO or [insert great player here] get only a fraction of the viewers Idra does.
Here's the thing: While I'm sure some people tune in to Idra's stream just to watch him rage, and those people probably dominate the stream chat on Twitch, I think most of the people who follow him closely do so because they really WANT him to succeed. They want him to play well and stand out as an American player who can take on the best in Europe and Asia.
His moments of brilliance might be infrequent lately, but every now and then it's possible to see an Idra who might just be able to do that, if he gets his own mindset to the right place.
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I wish someone would have just "slapped" him out of this behavior, so a catastrophe like this would not have happened.. :/
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I want to weigh in on this. I have personal experience with IdrA on ladder from a long time ago and was cursed out by him. It's just who he is. Those who say "it's just a game, anybody who gets mad is mentally unstable" are mentally idiotic themselves. Go watch an NBA game, MLB game, NFL game, players get mad all the time. They are in their profession, as IdrA is. I've seen MLB players strike out and proceed to slam the bat against the wall, or do other things that you might consider mentally unstable, but is really just their way to get their anger out.
The psychologist was to help him get correct mentally to be able to compete at a higher level. I was trying to break into the professional scene and couldn't do the 12 hour a day practices and was never mentally focused. The highest I got was top masters playing against grandmasters, but I never beat the likes of IdrA, and definitely never beat a korean. I gave my dream up because I realized I would never be able to compete at the highest level. IdrA had the psychologist to help him compete at a higher level so he could WIN!.
Everybody who says this is just a game...maybe it is for you. For the professional gamers, it's their career. Everybody gets angry in their careers.
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On May 10 2013 11:42 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:34 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:On May 10 2013 11:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2013 11:23 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:On May 10 2013 11:22 InfCereal wrote:On May 10 2013 11:20 TheProphet_ wrote:
Thank god! I hated EG for supporting such a terrible and negative person who spent his time spilling hatred and bad vibes around. If he was any good it might justify keeping him but its been years since he could even beat anyone. Now i can be neutral towards EG. "Any good" being the best american player for several years. I never understood the SC2 community's mindset on player skill. Even at his peak, this was debatable. He hasn't done will in a major event in two years. at his peak he was one of the best sc2 players, not just foreigners. So you agree it's debatable that he was THE BEST player, ok thanks. He was never really the best player in the world, but there were times were you might say he was Top 10 in the world. Again, even that was debatable, but still that's a pretty good achievement that shows that at one point, Idra was a solid player
Agree totally, just saying it's probably a bit on the 'emotional' side to start throwing around terms like "THE BEST", not actually trying to take anything away from what he did accomplish. It's not like Idra ever reigned supreme in the foreigner scene quite like guys like MVP, NesTea etc, who, at their peaks, it was pretty obvious who THE BEST player at the time was.
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On May 10 2013 11:44 FoxShine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:29 StevenWang wrote:On May 10 2013 11:26 CypherX wrote:On May 10 2013 11:25 StevenWang wrote:
I heard from a close friend of Katy Torg that he has hit her and got physical with her. He needs mental help, and it is clear as day. EG cannot help him, they tried. Even hired a psychiatrist for him. That's called hearsay. I heard from a close personal friend of yours that your full of shit? Confirm? See how that doesn't quiet work? Take it as you may. I can't 100% confirm what was said. However, EG did INFACT bring in a psychologist for him... That is FACT. Not to mention he broke Astro headphones after losing to Dragon, and called him a "faggot." Not to mention all the rage he does and abusive to EG's fan base. "you're all a bunch of fucks." "losers." Etc. So w/e. Boss. your just trying to paint a picture of a woman abuser because you heard some shit and cuz he's been known to rage before. and.... eg bringing in a psychologist for him... iv been to the psychologist before for adhd/depression.. breaking headsets and calling people names on the internet?? iv slammed my hand on my desk before over losing... iv thrown things in rage before(not StarCraft). But seriously you sound like one of those people who thinks that just because someone sees a therapist there crazy. like oooo your seeing a shrink you must be loony. and yea he just said your all a bunch of fucks like yesterday... what else is new? throwing things around like that is pretty stupid.. I'm not gonna go and defend people hitting woman AT ALL.. but.. Havn't you heard of melodrama being made over a slap on the wrist? this is drama in the extreme and unfounded nonsense. piss off. Greg has enough going on to tarnish his reputation without this shit.
Guys I heard from a really good close friend of TL user StevenWang that he's a pedophile and likes to creep on little girls.
That's a pretty good analogy of what I get from his post.
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On May 10 2013 11:34 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:29 StevenWang wrote:On May 10 2013 11:26 CypherX wrote:On May 10 2013 11:25 StevenWang wrote:
I heard from a close friend of Katy Torg that he has hit her and got physical with her. He needs mental help, and it is clear as day. EG cannot help him, they tried. Even hired a psychiatrist for him. That's called hearsay. I heard from a close personal friend of yours that your full of shit? Confirm? See how that doesn't quiet work? Take it as you may. I can't 100% confirm what was said. However, EG did INFACT bring in a psychologist for him... That is FACT. Not to mention he broke Astro headphones after losing to Dragon, and called him a "faggot." Not to mention all the rage he does and abusive to EG's fan base. "you're all a bunch of fucks." "losers." Etc. So w/e. Boss. Those are all COMPLETELY different things compared to hitting someone.
EG hired a sports PSYCHOLOGIST for him. As far as we know he never went to a psychiatrist ( big difference, one provides counseling, the other is an MD that prescribes medicine ).
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It's so weird... You say EG I think IdrA
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On May 10 2013 11:43 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:30 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 11:12 Erosive wrote:On May 10 2013 11:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 10 2013 11:01 Jornada wrote:
Everybody who EG signs goes down hill....
IdrA needs time away from game i think as well. yeah just like suppy & demuslim right? Just because suppy did good in one group doesn't make up for his overall results which are basically none. Demuslim is NA's favourite, that's about it. Lackluster skill, as soon as he meets a Korean on ladder you can see how silly of a player his is. Yes as "soon" as Demuslim meets Koreans he loses. Any other facts you'd like to pull out of your ass? Demuslim beats Polt all the time in TvT, Hyun, lots of good Koreans. Alot of them are barcodes as well. He recently destroyed some Chinese players as well. The only player he has difficulty with seemingly is Byun. I doubt that he's alone in that. Demuslim is improving but he's not that level to compete with Koreans yet. And no he doesn't beat Polt all the time, he won like may 3-4 games out of a ton.
Not at the level to compete with Koreans . . . watching his stream, I'd have to disagree. He beats Koreans regulary. Not as often as he beats foreigners of course. His win-rate minus the 16 Byun games in a row is literally 80% or above in all match ups on ladder. Ranked #1 GM on NA consistently. Koreans play on NA with relatively low lag. Evidence backs up the claim that he can compete with Koreans at this time.
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Imagine this, IdrA switches races to terran where he is an absolute mechanical beast, he plays in solitude for a few weeks on a barcode for 12+ hours a day perfecting his craft. He reemerges as Idrajit the new and improved IdrA, moves to korea to rejoin CJ Entus and becomes once again thee foreign powerhouse.
One can only dream. goodluck idra please dont leave the scene for good.
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I knew something was gonna happen to him after i saw his wcs matches.
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On May 10 2013 11:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
Underperforming and rude worker gets fired from job.
Almost sounds like real life doesn't it.
mind = blown
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On May 10 2013 11:18 Defacer wrote:I can only imagine what must have gone through EG.Alex's head when he read this. "ACTUALLY, you don't get paid to treat people like fucks. You get paid TO WIN, JERKASS."
LOL no.
They've probably have been pondering over his release for a very long time now, and Alex was probably like "Damn, I guess we'll have to fire him for that one :/".
It's not like it hits EG now that IdrA's behavior in and out of the game is questionable and not deserving of his status and salary :D
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On May 10 2013 11:43 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2013 11:37 StarStruck wrote:On May 10 2013 11:34 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2013 11:31 StarStruck wrote:On May 10 2013 11:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2013 11:23 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:On May 10 2013 11:22 InfCereal wrote:On May 10 2013 11:20 TheProphet_ wrote:
Thank god! I hated EG for supporting such a terrible and negative person who spent his time spilling hatred and bad vibes around. If he was any good it might justify keeping him but its been years since he could even beat anyone. Now i can be neutral towards EG. "Any good" being the best american player for several years. I never understood the SC2 community's mindset on player skill. Even at his peak, this was debatable. He hasn't done will in a major event in two years. at his peak he was one of the best sc2 players, not just foreigners. That makes me laugh. FruitDealer has left the building everyone! just because it was early in the game doesnt mean he wasn't one of the best. come on man. Those players were easily forgettable though is the point I was trying to make. kind of a random point.... Not really considering we talking about a period where there was a ridiculous amount of change & that's where Greg made his mark so to speak. It flew right by just like vanilla SC beta and all the B.net ladder movement we had within the first year.
Not at all comparable to ''vanilla SC beta''. XD The early SC2 era was far more progressed than the SC1 equivalent. There was already a well established scene, with players who had been playing the successor professionally for many years, and there was a vast amount of knowledge that carried over from the 10+ years of BW metagame evolution.
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On May 10 2013 11:44 Cele wrote:
i think he used to like playing broodwar more then sc2. Okay thats capt. obv. mode. But it
necessarily means, you are going to less motivated, easier frustrated, more agressive if you have to play the game for a living you dont like. Or if you perceive yourself as "having to". For me this is the whole difference between "broodwar idra" and "total meltdown sc2 idra".
I agree that's all a reasonable guess about what's going on with him. I just don't want to make assumptions about what the guy's inner monologue looks like or what might be going on in his life.
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On May 10 2013 11:46 skatblast wrote:
Imagine this, IdrA switches races to terran where he is an absolute mechanical beast, he plays in solitude for a few weeks on a barcode for 12+ hours a day perfecting his craft. He reemerges as Idrajit the new and improved IdrA, moves to korea to rejoin CJ Entus and becomes once again thee foreign powerhouse.
One can only dream. goodluck idra please dont leave the scene for good.
This would be the greatest thing to happen in eSports ever.
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I liked watching IdrA on eSTRO and CJ. But I don't think these guys with big personalities, like IdrA and Stephano, fit very well on EG. I hope he comes up with something spectacular in the future.
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