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uau,fuck ; I hope this only helps him get better , maybe realize what is at stake
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I'm sure ROOT got a spot for him if all else fails XD
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On May 11 2013 00:12 Holy_AT wrote:Eg doesn't respect any of their players, they would cut every player of them loose if it would make their sponsors happy. Idra is a very emotional player and you cant take any of his outbursts seriously. People who do not get this make me really sad 
You are right, and we should also let serial killers out from jail cus its not their falout that they want to kill everyone (ok, im exagerating, but its just to make a point).
Everyone can be emotional at times, and everyone can get upset. But BMing someone becouse you get frustrated at your own skill?
Its not the other guys fault that you are playing worse than him.
And Idra is not a 12 year old. He is an Adult, so if he dosent behave like an Adult, he should not be treated like one.
I know that many of the other EG players proably dont like this, and im sure they are sad about one of their players go, but at some point you have to stop making excuses for someones behaviour.
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On May 11 2013 00:07 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:05 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 10 2013 23:54 Warlock40 wrote:
So, were people actually outraged by what IdrA said and contacting sponsors or something? Did Garfield act based on community reaction demanding blood? Or did he act preemptively? Because it seems almost like this was all too convenient, as if he had already planned to release IdrA and this gave him a great excuse. "Preemptively", after years and years of ....? Whatever, forget it. My point is that he's been doing this for that much time without any public admonitions by EG or Garfield or whatever. And now, doing the same thing, he gets terminated, supposedly because he offended the community. But how many people were actually offended, or surprised, at him saying what he said?
What? he's been forced to apologise and recant multiple times, on stream and talk shows. He has received numerous warnings, this was not some bolt from the blue, it's the result of accumulated breaches in conduct.
And how would you know what goes on in the EG house, or what Garfield has told his players? It seems silly to suggest that there have not been any off the record conversations in the EG management about Greg.
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I'm surprised to see that so many people are defending his actions. He has been like this forever. He started out playing NR20 money maps on USEast (I knew some people in the clan and the community) that can vouch for his attitude. He was still like this when he switched to playing regular maps, and even though he still had some outbursts I still respected him, because he was dedicated to the game. I still remember when he was an up & comer and won that eSTRO tournament (against a known maphacker no less) to get a chance to go to Korea, every Starcraft players dream.
He seemed to be doing good until SC2 came. I still remember during the beta, Artosis was talking about Idra grinding out 60 games a day of it and I figured he would be our foreigner hope for SC2. It's no secret that he hates the game though like many have pointed out. If the money wasn't there, he probably wouldn't be playing it at all. All the left games and his attitude in general left a bad taste in community's mouth but on top of leaving the game vs Polt games and the Demuslim fiasco, his attitude was starting to become very toxic. I'm sure this started spreading throughout the house. It's probably hard enough to just play every day and concentrate, team-houses should have no tolerance for drama and I think EG made the right call here.
If anything, I am surprised management took so long to punish him. If a player on a lesser known team had done even half the shit he has done, he would have been team-less a long time ago.
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On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly.
On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG.
I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that.
The three players I would put up there with him are Suppy, Goswser, and Kane.
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On May 10 2013 23:40 ChriseC wrote:
i guess with a lil bit more effort he even would get alot more.
Idra obviously don't want to put any effort in this and he doesn't care about his team and SC2 fans
bad move by EG.
imho best move they could do.
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On May 11 2013 00:21 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:03 Simsons2 wrote:
He's proving that statement otherwise , also from business point of view why would it matter if it's bad or good exposure - just have a look at Bieber do you think he would have so many views in Y-tube if not for all the haters? :D As long as it helps you earn more money .... Then what's the point of Starcraft 2? Once you go down this road you make the game entirely irrelevant.
From business point of view which Alex is running - it doesn't matter. Also for viewers it's mostly entertainment value , well not always but from my point view sure I sometimes tune in best players streams to watch best possible plays, but it's easier and more awesome to watch entertaining streams. Also as I said if you run a business (while sad) why would you care what's the point of x? If you run the noodle shop and person x brings you publicity to sell those noodles , do you think person running would care for how noodles look, bad generalization but I hope you do get my point.
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Noooo Good luck to both parties. Understandable bc IdrA has been slacking lately in results.
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On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that.
I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans.
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On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that.
I find it amusing how much you think Ladder rank matters. When people speak of results, they are talking about tournament wins, not how much you play on the ladder.
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On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans.
Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime.
On May 11 2013 00:30 Shortizz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I find it amusing how much you think Ladder rank matters. When people speak of results, they are talking about tournament wins, not how much you play on the ladder.
By that logic, most NA players are total failures.
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On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime. That's a really narrow title. The NA scene is, well, bad compared to the rest of the world. At his peak idra could compete with everyone else. Now he can't. idra and suppy are only two that cross my mind--I am not too integrated in the scene right now. I'm sure there are plenty of people you could argue have similar skill to idra. But Scarlett and Suppy are far and away better. It's not like idra is right there with them.
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On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:
By that logic, most NA players are total failures.
Not winning any tournaments = not considered very good, who woulda thunk it.
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On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime.
Goswser!
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On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime.
Top 3 NA? Probably not, I would put Suppy, Scarlett, Kane, Vibe and Goswser above him.
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What? he's been forced to apologise and recant multiple times, on stream and talk shows. He has received numerous warnings, this was not some bolt from the blue, it's the result of accumulated breaches in conduct.
Oh, I didn't know that. In this context, his termination makes more sense.
And how would you know what goes on in the EG house, or what Garfield has told his players? It seems silly to suggest that there have not been any off the record conversations in the EG management about Greg.
I suggested the opposite - I figured there had been internal conversations on this matter between IdrA and management, and I was wondering what they were. Clearly, he must have stepped over some sort of line, I just doubt that the line was simply "offend the community".
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On May 11 2013 00:32 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime. That's a really narrow title. The NA scene is, well, bad compared to the rest of the world. At his peak idra could compete with everyone else. Now he can't. idra and suppy are only two that cross my mind--I am not too integrated in the scene right now. I'm sure there are plenty of people you could argue have similar skill to idra. But Scarlett and Suppy are far and away better. It's not like idra is right there with them.
I disagree. You shouldn`t say suppy and scarlett would beat him like it`s fact. Idra is really good at zvz. He lives in NA and is at the top of that scene. Saying ``Na scene is bad so idra`s accomplishments don`t matter`` is foolish imo. He lives in NA so NA players are his first competition.
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On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime. Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:30 Shortizz wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I find it amusing how much you think Ladder rank matters. When people speak of results, they are talking about tournament wins, not how much you play on the ladder. By that logic, most NA players are total failures.
I mean, yes. Part of the problem Blizzard has and the reason for this crazy regional business is that NA people don't win anything except against other NA people. I would say most NA pros are failures in the sense that most people playing in the MLS are failures; they get to play a game they love professionally, but they are not competing at the top level of the game.
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