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nice this should open up some funding to buy another player.
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On May 11 2013 00:34 Shodaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime. Top 3 NA? Probably not, I would put Suppy, Scarlett, Kane, Vibe and Goswser above him.
Kane, Vibe? You gotta be kidding yourself.
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On May 11 2013 01:03 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:34 Shodaa wrote:On May 11 2013 00:30 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 11 2013 00:29 DamageControL wrote:On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. I don't know why ladder matters. In terms of NA zergs, Scarlett and Suppy are both better. And yeah, they can at least beat mid-level koreans. Ok, top 3 NA zerg. I wouldn`t call that past your prime. Top 3 NA? Probably not, I would put Suppy, Scarlett, Kane, Vibe and Goswser above him. Kane, Vibe? You gotta be kidding yourself.
Can't speak for Kane, but I think Vibe is up there because how he plays throws people off so he gets weird wins (not saying he's bad, it's his own style). He makes lings at strange times and does things similar as the game progresses- it's weird to play against.
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On May 11 2013 00:26 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:48 TheProphet_ wrote:On May 10 2013 22:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious. Ladder rank? Did you say that as a joke? In my mind pretty much any korean whose name is even barely known could dispatch idra 9-0 in a 9 series without hardly even trying. I'm not trying to bm just calling it like I see it, I think everyone in this thread but the hardcore fanboys agree he was only even an "asset" to his team in the sense of drawing viewers, he couldn't put up competitively. Even DeMuslim who is a great guy and good player, much better than idra and ahead of him in NA ladder just lost 16-0 to byun recently... and it wasnt like he was exploiting the same thing over and over, he was mixing it up doing all sort of stuff. And Byun is just one amongst many top koreans, the skill gap between him and demu is already huge, the skill gap between demu and idra is also gigantic so yea whatever. In my mind theres many players in NA who could compete with idra and even beat him with ease who aren't necessarily top in ladder. It doesn't mean that much honestly. Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:20 Irre wrote:
I think this will end up being a good thing either way..
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all
2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great).
EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. I challenge you two to name a NA zerg player who consistently is higher on ladder. Enough of this ``Idra was past his prime`` talk. Just because he doesn`t beat top level Koreans at events doesn`t mean he was past his prime skill wise. Basically no foreign player can do that. The three players I would put up there with him are Suppy, Goswser, and Kane.
I don't know what you are getting at...Why would I have to name other NA pros..they aren't relevant to what I was talking about at all. Idra IS past his prime...he was never considered to be just some OK NA semipro...he is/was regarded as a top player in the WORLD, on the same level as the koreans. Even in Korea in GSL it wasn't the same as the typical foreigner goes over there/gets crushed story. He was really liked and respected during his time over there..they even made a tribute video to him ROFL. So yeah naming ladder players he could beat is not really a relevant point.
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Idra needs some growing up to do. And people who support him on this need it too. You won't be able to hold your job if you embarass your company like that.
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On May 11 2013 00:48 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 00:41 Simsons2 wrote:On May 11 2013 00:39 Cheerio wrote:
I have been thinking why Idra even got the cult following in the first place. I looks like he and most of his fans have very little empathy for the feelings of other people. Even when Idra insults the WHOLE scene, they are like "cool, he is such a boss" because they don't count themselves as part of the community. It's always someone else he is insulting. People don't like Idra for what he is, they like themselves in him. Can speak only for myself , but I find it amusing. While I rarely bm (and i'm coming from HoN/Dota2 community  ) , he's amusing guy and really if you rate him so low why would you even care for what he says? I just find it strange that people who get most offended have not been fans/viewers/etc... but only people who in general dislike him due to his attitude? I feel like Idra fans are like abused spouses in a bad marriage  . For some reason they empathize with the abusive husband (or wife) and feel the need to give him as many chances as possible, and carry on for the sake of their relationship/kid/whatever else they think is important. It's funny to see him abuse his own fans, and everyone still cheers him on.
It was my fault, if I didn't keep watching Demu's stream he wouldn't have hit me so hard. I should have been a better fan.
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Really hoping Greg uses this experience to turn it around and make it back into SC2. He has the ability to be a really top player in the scene again. This is not a question of mechanics or game knowledge.
Perhaps if he does stay in the scene he should switch to Terran while the game is still being figured out, as i don't think Zerg is a very forgiving race due to its reactive nature, its too "coin flippy" for a player with moods imho
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This needs to be a wakeup call for him
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On May 11 2013 01:06 polgas wrote:
Idra needs some growing up to do. And people who support him on this need it too. You won't be able to hold your job if you embarass your company like that.
I don't need to grow up? If anything that comment was taken way out of context and EG had to react to it because people like you fail to grasp his point.
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On May 11 2013 01:11 Vertigro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 01:06 polgas wrote:
Idra needs some growing up to do. And people who support him on this need it too. You won't be able to hold your job if you embarass your company like that.
I don't need to grow up? If anything that comment was taken way out of context and EG had to react to it because people like you fail to grasp his point.
how exactly was it taken out of context? he basically said "yo community, you're fucking idiots, keep feeding me money and being dumb." doesn't take a genius to realize he was a toxic addition to the community.
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A day later and I'm still in shock
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I don't know if anyone mentioned that thought about the bromance of icontrol an idra before but...
If incontrol was such a good friend to IdrA he would've talked sense into him ages ago. That is what friends do. This whole poor-incontrol-talk is just wasted words. Incontrol feels bad? Good, they had it both coming then.
Every single cried tear for that news is a waste of body fluids. That was a big step towards respect in esports, one bad example cut off.
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IDRA FOREVER SINCE BW!
hate all you want. dont like him? dont watch him. he has all the rights to treat anyone in any way he wants over internet and the game.
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On May 11 2013 01:15 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 01:11 Vertigro wrote:On May 11 2013 01:06 polgas wrote:
Idra needs some growing up to do. And people who support him on this need it too. You won't be able to hold your job if you embarass your company like that.
I don't need to grow up? If anything that comment was taken way out of context and EG had to react to it because people like you fail to grasp his point. how exactly was it taken out of context? he basically said "yo community, you're fucking idiots, keep feeding me money and being dumb." doesn't take a genius to realize he was a toxic addition to the community.
I'll admit that he could have said what he said in a more 'controlled' manner... but that wasn't Greg's style. What he said was a reference to all the morons who plague his stream (just watch his stream chat) who only watch to see him rage, BM and curse... he's not an idiot, he knows what these people want to see (because they spend hours in the chat throwing insults at him). Hence, they are 'idiots', they don't watch him to see good games, they watch for drama and as a result, they are feeding him money for incredibly dumb reasons.
It's not hard for anyone that truly does appreciate Greg to see that. Maybe he shouldn't have come out and made such a comment but hey, im with him.
Top of his fanpage is the quote from Greg himself, "I have the best fans ever", he cares about his actual fans. Being aware that a lot of people in the world, let alone this community, are drama addicts doesn't make him toxic.
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On May 11 2013 01:07 Topdoller wrote:
Really hoping Greg uses this experience to turn it around and make it back into SC2. He has the ability to be a really top player in the scene again. This is not a question of mechanics or game knowledge.
Perhaps if he does stay in the scene he should switch to Terran while the game is still being figured out, as i don't think Zerg is a very forgiving race due to its reactive nature, its too "coin flippy" for a player with moods imho
He could try his hand at casting. I recall the last few times he's casted, he did a pretty good job at it.
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On May 11 2013 01:20 Frankynat0r wrote:
I don't know if anyone mentioned that thought about the bromance of icontrol an idra before but...
If incontrol was such a good friend to IdrA he would've talked sense into him ages ago. That is what friends do. This whole poor-incontrol-talk is just wasted words. Incontrol feels bad? Good, they had it both coming then.
Every single cried tear for that news is a waste of body fluids. That was a big step towards respect in esports, one bad example cut off.
Yes Incontrol is responsible for his friends actions.
Are you 12 years old or just a troll?
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Time for Greg to go fulltime caster
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I'm glad that EG is trying to be a serious organization now. Investing in coaches and players for proleague and enforcing standards of professionalism for their players and dropping dead weight are all good moves. Incontral and machine can be popular without pandering to people with trashy language so why can't idra?
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Polt defeated Idra in game, and got him fired from his team in real life, Polt, aka last "american" hope, why are you this awesome?
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