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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:58 matt93 wrote: There would be no EG-TL players in the GSTL because EG-TL is not in the GSTL, bit hard to show up in a competition you're not a part of. Yeah... yeah right, sorry i meant proleague :D. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
http://www.pressfire.no/nyheter/PC/6937/Sparket-Starcraft-II-spiller-i-verdensklasse-for-stygg-munnbruk | ||
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Simsons2
Latvia73 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:01 Acertos wrote: It's important to note that it is a bad kind of exposure. Just a tv reality show where people with no talent get paid alot and are being dicks to everyone. They never last long. He's proving that statement otherwise , also from business point of view why would it matter if it's bad or good exposure - just have a look at Bieber do you think he would have so many views in Y-tube if not for all the haters? :D As long as it helps you earn more money .... Nothing is fair in this world (about good talent not being paid a lot) there are a lot of people in many different jobs where their good talent should be paid more , especially if he can generate more viewers/exposure than that "good talent" | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:54 Warlock40 wrote: So, were people actually outraged by what IdrA said and contacting sponsors or something? Did Garfield act based on community reaction demanding blood? Or did he act preemptively? Because it seems almost like this was all too convenient, as if he had already planned to release IdrA and this gave him a great excuse. "Preemptively", after years and years of ....? Whatever, forget it. | ||
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Ollix
United States18 Posts
But this is going to hurt EG in the long run. While the bashers have short-attention spans, fans don't. The people who bought the 'Release the Gracken' shirt, the people who would email sponsors in appreciation -- they'll jump the EG wagon. Its unfortunately part of the issue with EG losing its balance of skill-players and charisma-players. You need both, but the charisma-players keep the company afloat. And above-all, Garfield not notifying the team captain before he went on a live show last night was disgusting. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:05 FrogOfWar wrote: "Preemptively", after years and years of ....? Whatever, forget it. My point is that he's been doing this for that much time without any public admonitions by EG or Garfield or whatever. And now, doing the same thing, he gets terminated, supposedly because he offended the community. But how many people were actually offended, or surprised, at him saying what he said? | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:03 Grend wrote: front page of mainstream norwegian newspaper, Idra is: http://www.pressfire.no/nyheter/PC/6937/Sparket-Starcraft-II-spiller-i-verdensklasse-for-stygg-munnbruk Front page of newspaper? Wow, that's what you call slow news day. | ||
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gamerdude12345
Korea (South)378 Posts
On May 10 2013 22:18 don_kyuhote wrote: Wow, I always thoughts guys like Idra and Incontrol would never get kicked out of EG due to the exposure and attention that they bring. That being said, whenever someone's popularity/relevance is built upon being bad-mannered/controversial (or just being a dick) rather than result, that's a shaky ground that person is standing on in the long run. EG has made more news with kicking idra off the news than anything else in the past few months | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:03 Hitch-22 wrote: Hey is only 27th in prize money in SC2 : P Probably a bit overrated, you usually can only get within that range by losing tournaments etc etc /sarcasim He fell off in 2011  not the betaGlad they removed Idra for bad mouthing the community, proceeds to stereotype and bad mouth a section of the community. You sir are one of the examples in the 'community' of the people we strive to eliminate at every corner, the hyperbolic hypocritical moron who smashes a player for doing one thing and then proceeds to do a similar thing himself. Do try to clean that up sir. You are stereotyping me now. I dont care if he badmouthed the community. I just think he is a terrible player not deserving of the salary or oppurtunities he recieved. Especially as a US citizen, a country where sc2 pros are mostly a joke, Id love to see more promising and hardworking NA players get the oppurtunity and support that they deserve and not some grandfathered grouch hasbeen. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:58 Warlock40 wrote: Maybe he was. Garfield had him terminated not because he was wrong, but because he was right, and he didn't want people knowing about it. Because if IdrA was right, then that would mean he was making confidential company practice public. If you're paying someone to be a villain, you don't want people to know he's only acting, because that pretty much spoils the whole setup and reason why you are paying him in the first place. If you believe this then I have a video you might enjoy: | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:07 Nekovivie wrote: Front page of newspaper? Wow, that's what you call slow news day. They talk about how bad IdrA is, how Stephano talked about having sex with a 14 year old and then compared him to Snute who is " much more gentle and respectable" as a player (exact words from the article) | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
Idra is a very emotional player and you cant take any of his outbursts seriously. People who do not get this make me really sad  | ||
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:03 Grend wrote: front page of mainstream norwegian newspaper, Idra is: http://www.pressfire.no/nyheter/PC/6937/Sparket-Starcraft-II-spiller-i-verdensklasse-for-stygg-munnbruk Lol at the part of article where they state Stephano also has a bad reputation for being disrespectful towards his opponents. But seriously I hope IdrA finds a new team and continues his career as an SC2 player. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:13 Ronski wrote: Lol at the part of article where they state Stephano also has a bad reputation for being disrespectful towards his opponents. But seriously I hope IdrA finds a new team and continues his career as an SC2 player. I could see EG taking him back in if he changed his ways a bit. The other players love him (not in that way >_>) and everyone will always associate IdrA with EG. Any other team tag would just look weird.. IdrA probably just needs a bit of solitary time to reflect on his attitude and motivation. | ||
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
I dont really hate the guy (thou i dont like his manners), but if Idra was winning and BMing.... ok thats even fun. But he has been loosing most the time now, and still BMing (thats actually a bit sad). | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:11 Cyrak wrote: If you believe this then I have a video you might enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwCifnifvg I'm not going to watch a forty minute video when it looks like you only posted it to make fun of me. If you think what I said was absurd, tell me why. I mean, Garfield has already stated in previous public interviews that EG is a business, a marketing platform. IdrA pretty much the same thing - "I get paid for it" - except without all the fancy PR spin, and since EG thrives as a PR engine, having one of their own portray their business model in such a negative light must have been damning. Idra is overrated. Thare are many players that can be slightly overrated, but Idra is severly overrated. I dont really hate the guy (thou i dont like his manners), but if Idra was winning and BMing.... ok thats even fun. But he has been loosing most the time now, and still BMing (thats actually a bit sad). This is my point. IdrA has not been a strong player relative to the rest of the playing field for the last few years. Everyone knows this, and everyone knows he is BM. It's always been like this, but now suddenly he gets the axe? | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
1) Idra quits the industry and goes to school/does other things- he will become a more whole/happy/healthy person, and his destiny was not in esports as much as thinks after all 2)Idra regains the motivation to actually be successful inside the game. Like him or hate him (and I'm not a fan btw), he has raw talent and mechanical skill and knows how to practice and get to the top. On EG the past few years since he got a comfortable salary, left korea, and just streamed a lot...he realized he didn't have to be good anymore and it turns out that lifestyle is a lot easier than being a top progamer. He even admitted this on Inside the Game when asked about going back to Korea for proleague. Idra has the potential and at one point had the drive, and it showed in how good he was, even respected in Korea!! He still shows flashes of that strength still (Blizzard world championships performance was pretty great). EG, despite providing the resources and opportunity that every foreign progamer would dream of, was not the motivator that Idra needs. On his own, we will see if that changes. Its still so shocking to see EG without Idra...and Idra without EG. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:58 Simsons2 wrote: Him being a dick = exposure for sponsors , people buying their stuff is probably one reasons why he stayed in EG for so long so in matter of fact that is true they were paying him for being this way while not straight up saying you are to bm/be dick , but essentially it's the same. There is a big difference between dickish behaviour for the purposes of entertainment and just being an insufferable prick to deal with. Dickishness has to be inclusive at some level, it has to communicate a narrative of "us against them", my fans against this other guy's fans, my team against their team etc. Idra has instead pretty much expressed his disdain for just about everyone, and the game itself, over and over. At some point sponsors will weigh the benefit of increased viewership vs the risk of being associated with someone who habitually offends large segments of the community. Apparently this was a tipping point. BM and abrasive personalities can work, but in limited doses. From what members of EG have said on stream and in chat, he's pretty much been alienating other team members and causing in-house drama, which is very different from BM'ing random people on the ladder, or leaving without a GG. He made himself more trouble than he's worth, essentially. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:03 Simsons2 wrote: He's proving that statement otherwise , also from business point of view why would it matter if it's bad or good exposure - just have a look at Bieber do you think he would have so many views in Y-tube if not for all the haters? :D As long as it helps you earn more money .... Then what's the point of Starcraft 2? Once you go down this road you make the game entirely irrelevant. | ||
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