Call to Action: May 2 Balance Testing - Page 15

On May 03 2013 17:33 kubiks wrote:

Is it true ? Maybe, but I didn't saw any burrow all-in in pro game for a long time (maybe I don't watch enough pro games :p)

On May 03 2013 17:42 tomatriedes wrote:


What the hell are you talking about?

http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png

On May 03 2013 17:35 Rachnar wrote:


a scan unless you are lucky will not reveal what you want to see, best case scenario it only reveals partially what your opponents has

and yeah the reaper is faster but will be caught after some time, the guy wont stop at just 1 stalker and he also has mothership core

i agree the reaper is terrans only way to scout early, but it can get shut down so easily by a decent protoss player that knows how to positions his units, that meh, useless

i feel like tvp on hots only dependss on pure luck, either you counter blindly what the guy does and you're fine or you don't and you're dead
protoss opens double gaz behind he can anything like hide blink highground with mothership, hide dt, proxy robo prism 4g, proxy robo immortal bust, proxy stargate, proxy robo warprism and dt, etc...

too much builds you have to be able to react to, what does toss have to react to early vs terran that would kill them if they dont scout it? except mine and hellbats drops, nothing, and even then a photon in each mineral line and they're fine

What annoys me is their fascination with early game aggression. To have some is good, to have tons of options for all 3 races just makes the game a gamble cluster fuck.

On May 03 2013 17:46 Sissors wrote:
If a scan sees everything when the opponent does oracle play he either had horrible building placement or the terran has a maphack.


I am way more concerned about the opposite: Their lack of fascination with early agression. While all-ins might be a bit boosted here (oracle), burrow change does way more to deter early agression than allow it.

On May 03 2013 08:14 lim1017 wrote:
50/50 burrow is gonna have burrow rushes into blocking naturtals..

On May 03 2013 17:50 blade55555 wrote:


I don't see how. The only thing for protoss that would deter aggression is if they did a 6 gate all in and the zerg got burrow.

For terran this will never be an issue because of scan and if the terran realizes zerg has burrow they save scans as normal. This won't hurt any early aggression.

Any 4 gate play for toss, burrow won't even be starting to research unless zerg is doing some 1 base thing. Same with any sort of terran pressure reaper/fast hellion/2 rax. None of these will ever be affected by burrow it.

On May 03 2013 17:43 Rachnar wrote:


protoss is ahead of terrans in both its matchup, overall terran winrate is higher though because of tvz, not tvp

On May 03 2013 17:55 Rachnar wrote:


totally not true, if you do want to all in and they guy gets burrow tvz, you only have 1 orbital, which you do need for MULES to be abel to somehow comeback if you do soem damage but can't finish the guy, and even if you do save scans, you'll have 1? 2 max? if the guy attaks you on the middle of the map to slow you down and utilizes burrow, you scan and have nothing left
the same way it worked when people went blink against a 1-1-1 with raven, you forced the engagement middle, you wasted pdd and protoss b, excat same scenario

On May 03 2013 09:37 Blargh wrote:
I think Blizzard and their balance crew might actually be retarded for thinking medivacs needed a speed buff. They are a horribly designed unit which does very little for the game. If they want skill to have an impact on medivacs, then they should make it a micro-heavy air unit like Banshees. Banshees = good, speedmedivacs = bad. They kill workers/light units instantly, which is just stupid. They are already fast enough that they can get in there, kill 2-3 workers and run out even with a turret attacking, and they will only lose shield.
I don't even mind medivacs that much in all-ins, it's just the harass that's bad.

On May 03 2013 17:46 Sissors wrote:
If a scan sees everything when the opponent does oracle play he either had horrible building placement or the terran has a maphack.


I am way more concerned about the opposite: Their lack of fascination with early agression. While all-ins might be a bit boosted here (oracle), burrow change does way more to deter early agression than allow it.