MajOr and HerO forced to play WCS Matches on NA? - Page 53

On May 02 2013 15:34 Rygasm wrote:
Only NA natives should be in WCS: North America anyways. What's the point of cultivating a local scene, when Korea is involved. They should play their games on the NA server.

On May 02 2013 16:57 Holo82 wrote:


Mr. Rygams, your post made me laugh hard.

only american indians in sc2? i don't know a single native american who is playing sc2.
But:
Redskins are way closer to east asian humans than to europe / africa stemming white /black man. (you know, Beringstreet and so ) so i think its ok to prefer Koreans over White / Black people.

Either, you are really so much for the native american's rights,
ONLY REDSKINS IN SC2!

or ... something else weird is up.

On May 02 2013 17:01 Vorenius wrote:

This thread in a nutshell. People ignoring each others posts and making a big deal out of obvious miscommunications...

Replace natives with citizens and NA with AM. It's pretty obvious what he meant you just chose to ignore it, looking for an argument.

On May 02 2013 17:06 fleeze wrote:

you mean, people like you arguing about a totally different topic?
major is a "native" american player any way you put it, btw.
but everyone talking about region lock in THIS THREAD didn't understand the context anyway.

On May 02 2013 17:30 DoubleB wrote:
To be honest, I think its great. This cross-playing is just annoying.
Let them play and burn on the NA server. Hopefully they do not make it out !

On May 02 2013 17:27 Fenrax wrote:
This thread in a nutshell? 3 types of people

- People pointing out that there is literally no argument to force them to play on NA
- Other people trying to invent arguments for forcing them. They do this to cover up their vindictive, borderline racist behavior because admmiting that they only want any Korean who is playing in WCS NA punished, even for no reason, sounds ugly. They obviously can't because there are no arguments, but they derail the thread enough to make it seem like there would be a discussion.
- IQ 60 guy jumping into the thread after reading not much more than the headline with this post "it is WCS NA guys so they play on NA, if u want NA u get NA, maybe they should have thought before signing up, gg ezpz"

On May 01 2013 23:19 Vorenius wrote:
I have no problems with this. WCS is supposed to be the foreigner equivelant of Code S. Now obviously the logistics of the players competing doesn't allow for a live studio with players without paying a lot of money for commodations over many weeks, but still ESL/MLG are trying their best to give the same feeling. I'm sure managing a tournament is hard enough as it is. Having to swap servers for every other Bo3 certainly doesn't make it easier so I can understand wanting to avoid that, especially when everything is being broadcasted live.

Another thing, the reason for inviting koreans in the first place, was to integrate them into the foreign communities, mvp practicing in and playing from EU is a good example of this. Koreans sitting in home in korea, winning some matches online and then going back to their in-house matches is not only against the purpose of this tournament, but detrimental to the entire foreigner scene. I know some people don't care about that, and just want to see the best koreans and nothing else, but that's a whole other discussion that doesn't need to be had here.

On May 02 2013 16:56 TheRabidDeer wrote:
It is WCS America, of course you have to play on the America servers.

If you want, they can make it JUST like the GSL and force them to actually be in the country to compete at an offline setting.

On May 02 2013 17:36 Vorenius wrote:

Thanks for making my point. You are right and everyone else is deluded, right?

I guess I'll qoute myself then

Add to this the fact that other players located in korea have already set a precedent for playing on the American server. I appreciate that the rules weren't clear when players signed up, but they must have been a week ago yeah? Nerchio said that the rules he recieved were quite clear on this subject. So Major or Hero should have brought it up before the tournament began. Bringing it up a few days before the match, and after other matches have been played, won't accomplish anything.

On May 02 2013 17:36 Vorenius wrote:

Thanks for making my point. You are right and everyone else is deluded, right?

I guess I'll qoute myself then

Add to this the fact that other players located in korea have already set a precedent for playing on the American server. I appreciate that the rules weren't clear when players signed up, but they must have been a week ago yeah? Nerchio said that the rules he recieved were quite clear on this subject. So Major or Hero should have brought it up before the tournament began. Bringing it up a few days before the match, and after other matches have been played, won't accomplish anything.

On May 02 2013 17:45 fleeze wrote:

you just did prove his point. gj.
your arguments are no arguments at all. it's excuses for making it harder to play from korea. well done. really.
btw, to make it clear: the rules appeared some days before the match, there was no time to complain and if you read major's posts in this thread you could see MLG changes some things (like match dates, so it should apply to rules too) on very short notice.

On May 02 2013 18:07 Vorenius wrote:

What is "some days"? I'm pretty sure neither of us know. Still, Nerchio posted that he thought the rules were quite clear. Someone who actually knows when the rules were released...

And you just ignored large parts of the post and responded to a small part of it that wasn't even my main argument and then exclaimed that my "arguments are no arguments". What does that even mean?! You clearly didn't read my post, and confirmed my assumption that a lot of people in this thread can't understand how someone might disagree with them without being ignorant.

I fully understand the reasons for them to play on the korean server and agree with them, I just think that there are other considerations to be made. I understand why MLG has enforced their rules like they have, and would probably have done the same in their place.

On May 02 2013 17:27 Fenrax wrote:
This thread in a nutshell? 3 types of people

- People pointing out that there is literally no reason to force them to play on NA. Only disadvantages, not a single advantage for anyone including NA players.
- Other people trying to invent arguments for forcing them. They do this to cover up their vindictive, borderline racist behavior because admitting that they only want any Korean who is playing in WCS NA punished, even for no reason, sounds ugly. They obviously can't because there are no arguments, but they derail the thread enough to make it seem like there would be a discussion.
- IQ 60 guy jumping into the thread after reading not much more than the headline with this post "it is WCS NA guys so they play on NA, if u want NA u get NA, maybe they should have thought before signing up, gg ezpz"

On May 02 2013 18:23 ObliviousNA wrote:

Really? Anyone who disagrees with you is racist or moronic? I'm not heavily favoring one side or the other, but that's harsh man -_-

If this was considered in a bubble, ofc they should play on KR. Anyone who has viewed cross-server games knows caster lag is a non-issue. Changing regions takes ~30s, and it won't affect the viewing experience. From what I see, the two main arguments for using the NA server is

a) Precedent - Apocalypse vs Nestea already happened. Could Apoc have taken 1st in the group if he could split marines with -50ms latency? (I don't even know if this matters to WCS, but it certainly would have if he took 3rd in the group)

b) Foster the NA scene. True, this should be done with region lock. Since we DONT have region lock this season (but DO have region deterrence in the form of latency), people are ok with enforcing NA server play.

Both are rational arguments that hold water to some extent. Whether that's worth punishing Hero/Major when the region rules might be changed next season? Meh, not my decision.