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On May 02 2013 03:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:49 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 Juggernaut477 wrote:
People outside of NA should not even be allowed to play in WCS NA Admins should start banning people for this. It's a completely different argument. Considering you're quite happy to dismiss people for simply disagreeing with you I wouldn't be too quick to ask mods to step in and remove bad posting. On May 02 2013 03:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:37 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:30 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:26 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On May 02 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 02:49 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:
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Is your game really going to be that terrible if you play on NA? Nestea did it last night without a problem. that is beyond the point if its terrible or not we should be allowed to play in optimal conditions, which we arent at the moment So Nestea has to play against another person in KR in sub-optimal conditions(yesterday), but you shouldn't have to because you don't agree with the rule and think it is stupid? I get where you are coming from, but games have already been played by other players with the same issue. Turn it around, why should Nestea have to do it? Because the rules said so when he played his match and he followed them? Why are Major and Hero special? Not about them being special, it's about the rule being stupid in the first place. Suck it up? I have to put up with Koreans filling up WCS NA, you have to put up with the games having to be played on NA. It's mid-season, the tournament is what the tournament is, work on making the next one better rather then demanding certain players get special exemptions. Ah, so that's what this is about. Amazingly enough people are able to support different positions then you and still have valid opinions! If you're just going to ignore people who don't agree with you why are you bothering to waste time posting here? It's not about having a different opinion, that's fine. It's about arguing about something completely different. I'm saying that the rule affecting this game at hand is dumb. Yes it might be too late to change it now that it's already been active but it's still dumb. But this is something that MLG and the players (or whoever else is responsible) can address. People like you are arguing about the whole fucking system of allowing non-NA players to compete in NA, which means ultimately you're arguing about Blizzard's goals and intentions for what WCS should be. That doesn't belong here. That's a different discussion.
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Have you bothered to read what I posted or are you just assuming? Feel free to read my previous posts in this thread about the rule.
Here, here and here are some examples. Yes I support region locking future WCS's but even if I didn't I would never support changing rulesets of tournaments mid-season once the rules have effected players. That's straight up bad practice.
On May 02 2013 03:54 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:52 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:51 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 03:44 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Lmafo. GG NO RE. Master of Puppets for Good posting Bonjwa eh? I'm saying that once the rules have effected players games then you stick with a consistent ruleset until the end of the event and then you can make changes to it for future events. Changing the rules on the fly for certain players is straight up bad practice and events rightfully take a lot of flak when they do it. Edit: On May 02 2013 03:43 Faveokatro wrote:
if there's a rule on the books and it hasn't ever come into play, you still have flexibility. However, once it's used, you CANNOT change it midstream, because it has already advantaged and disadvantaged people. Hence why every sports league on the planet only votes on rule changes in the offseason. This. what you are saying is irrelevant because it's an excuse of an argument to disguise you have issues with koreans competing in WCS America. if a rule makes no sense there is no need NOT to change it. but MLG is obviously incapable of constructive critisism and the KR haters in this thread just make me sick. every fans first objective should be fairness of play for the participating players regardless of where they come from. this situation is easy to resolve and still nothing happens... Disguise? I've never tried to hide the fact that I would prefer WCS to be region locked. There are quite a number of reasons to support region locking that have nothing to do with racism. it has because you didn't understand the tournament and don't accept that it is the fucking way it is. shifting the blame to the players however is unacceptable. but it is exactly what YOU and others do in this thread. it's disgusting and imho it's racism because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROBLEM AT HAND.
...Are you seriously calling me a racist because I don't agree with you?
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 02 2013 04:03 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:49 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 Juggernaut477 wrote:
People outside of NA should not even be allowed to play in WCS NA Admins should start banning people for this. It's a completely different argument. Considering you're quite happy to dismiss people for simply disagreeing with you I wouldn't be too quick to ask mods to step in and remove bad posting. On May 02 2013 03:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:37 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:30 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:26 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On May 02 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 02:49 MajOr wrote:
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that is beyond the point if its terrible or not we should be allowed to play in optimal conditions, which we arent at the moment So Nestea has to play against another person in KR in sub-optimal conditions(yesterday), but you shouldn't have to because you don't agree with the rule and think it is stupid? I get where you are coming from, but games have already been played by other players with the same issue. Turn it around, why should Nestea have to do it? Because the rules said so when he played his match and he followed them? Why are Major and Hero special? Not about them being special, it's about the rule being stupid in the first place. Suck it up? I have to put up with Koreans filling up WCS NA, you have to put up with the games having to be played on NA. It's mid-season, the tournament is what the tournament is, work on making the next one better rather then demanding certain players get special exemptions. Ah, so that's what this is about. Amazingly enough people are able to support different positions then you and still have valid opinions! If you're just going to ignore people who don't agree with you why are you bothering to waste time posting here? It's not about having a different opinion, that's fine. It's about arguing about something completely different. I'm saying that the rule affecting this game at hand is dumb. Yes it might be too late to change it now that it's already been active but it's still dumb. But this is something that MLG and the players (or whoever else is responsible) can address. People like you are arguing about the whole fucking system of allowing non-NA players to compete in NA, which means ultimately you're arguing about Blizzard's goals and intentions for what WCS should be. That doesn't belong here. That's a different discussion. :/ Have you bothered to read what I posted or are you just assuming? Feel free to read my previous posts in this thread about the rule. Here, here and here are some examples. Yes I support region locking future WCS's but even if I didn't I would never support changing rulesets of tournaments mid-season once the rules have effected players. That's straight up bad practice.
Now this I can agree with, yes. I'm not even arguing about changing the rule right now. But change it instantly the second you can. I wasn't even aware that it existed until Major tweeted his complaint because it seems really unreasonable to me and other online tournaments have been switching between servers for a long time now.
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I don't think people would mind Koreans playing in WCS NA if they also lived here. The problem isn't xenophobia as many seem to imply, the problem is the risk of WCS NA, WCS EU, and WCS KR being 95% Korean watering down the entire ideal of a "Global" tournament. And then you end up with a ton of gamesmanship - let's say there are 3 players at the top of the GSL (for simplicity, I'm just going to use Innovation, Flash, and Jaedong). There would be a HUGE incentive for Flash to move to WCS NA, and Jaedong to move to WCS EU, so that each one is basically guaranteed a championship.
In the end, it really comes down to people who prefer watching club matches vs people who prefer watching international matches. Club teams bring a higher quality of play on average (look at the CL vs the WC, where half the teams flub completely and most of the remainder fall short of expectations based on talent). Yet there's huge appeal in the WC nonetheless.
It's quite tiring to read repeated insinuations of racism or xenophobia for anyone who isn't on board with completely open WCS tournaments. Just because the 2nd team of Spain would more than likely demolish the US doesn't mean I would want them playing for us next year.
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On May 02 2013 02:14 Kihshra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:07 Whatson wrote:On May 02 2013 02:05 Kihshra wrote:On May 01 2013 11:04 opterown wrote:On May 01 2013 11:02 Empirimancer wrote:On May 01 2013 10:59 Verator wrote:
I actually support this, it further punishes people for playing outside of their home region. Such a choice should be at a personal deficit, as it encourages home competition. What about people out of the country because they want to train in Korea, or because they participated in an European or Korean tournament during a week-end and haven't had the time (or the energy) to get back home, or because they want to help their team win a team league, such as Proleague? foreigners aren't going to be helping any team win a korean team league any time soon Dunno why you made such a statement, cause you're obviously wrong. How is he wrong? Who took down Mvp during the match Axiom-Acer vs LG-IM in GSTL ?
come back and say that when ax-acer win the season
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On May 02 2013 04:11 Faveokatro wrote:
I don't think people would mind Koreans playing in WCS NA if they also lived here. The problem isn't xenophobia as many seem to imply, the problem is the risk of WCS NA, WCS EU, and WCS KR being 95% Korean watering down the entire ideal of a "Global" tournament. And then you end up with a ton of gamesmanship - let's say there are 3 players at the top of the GSL (for simplicity, I'm just going to use Innovation, Flash, and Jaedong). There would be a HUGE incentive for Flash to move to WCS NA, and Jaedong to move to WCS EU, so that each one is basically guaranteed a championship.
In the end, it really comes down to people who prefer watching club matches vs people who prefer watching international matches. Club teams bring a higher quality of play on average (look at the CL vs the WC, where half the teams flub completely and most of the remainder fall short of expectations based on talent). Yet there's huge appeal in the WC nonetheless.
It's quite tiring to read repeated insinuations of racism or xenophobia for anyone who isn't on board with completely open WCS tournaments. Just because the 2nd team of Spain would more than likely demolish the US doesn't mean I would want them playing for us next year.
What's WCS NA?
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Americas*
I like how this thread has degenerated into troll sniping instead of actually addressing the points.
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On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers.
i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here:
1) let them play on kr
2) change rules so they can play on kr
claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule.
there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules so stick to it".
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On May 02 2013 04:17 Cranium wrote:
Why would NA players be forced to play ONLINE to KR server when it is a North American event...
1) Americas
2) The Americas player (Major) is IN KOREA. He has to play from Korea to the NA server.
3) Not a North American even, an Americas event.
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On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it".
You didn't read this thread at all, did you?
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On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you?
the whole thread? only up to page 11, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it.
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On May 02 2013 04:14 Faveokatro wrote:
Americas*
I like how this thread has degenerated into troll sniping instead of actually addressing the points.
That's rather common in threads. ^^
I agree with your post, but the problem with WCS is that it is not country (or continent) specific and it isn't exactly a completely open league either. It's somewhere in between. The reason they did this is so that NA has some incentive to participate and actually TRY to improve. While I liked WCS 2012's format infinitely more, I also like to have a league that literally has ALL of the best players and is KNOWN to have the best players.
GSL was SUPPOSED to be -that- league, but was turned into WCS KR. There should be an gigantic league, once a year, that every single player from every single country can participate in. That's the type of tournament I want to see.
Now, I think everyone agrees that a region-lock from the first place would have been the proper approach, but we are past that now and can only change the present and the future. (Hint: Allow KR vs KR to be played on KR server!! ^_^)
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On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it.
you dont need to read that much. it gets repetitive.
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On May 02 2013 04:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it. you dont need to read that much. it gets repetitive.
i thought jinor already summed it up quite nicely.
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On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it.
If you had at least skimmed through it first you would have seen the actual reasons Mlg gave for their reasoning and you wouldn't have had to make up your own.
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On May 02 2013 04:24 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it. If you had at least skimmed through it first you would have seen the actual reasons Mlg gave for their reasoning and you wouldn't have had to make up your own.
if you would be so kind can you relay mlg's message to the more recent pages. i'd like to rip it apart, i assume its just pr "rules are rules" bullshit.
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On May 02 2013 03:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 03:49 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:46 Juggernaut477 wrote:
People outside of NA should not even be allowed to play in WCS NA Admins should start banning people for this. It's a completely different argument. Considering you're quite happy to dismiss people for simply disagreeing with you I wouldn't be too quick to ask mods to step in and remove bad posting. On May 02 2013 03:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:37 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 03:30 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 03:26 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On May 02 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 02:49 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:
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Is your game really going to be that terrible if you play on NA? Nestea did it last night without a problem. that is beyond the point if its terrible or not we should be allowed to play in optimal conditions, which we arent at the moment So Nestea has to play against another person in KR in sub-optimal conditions(yesterday), but you shouldn't have to because you don't agree with the rule and think it is stupid? I get where you are coming from, but games have already been played by other players with the same issue. Turn it around, why should Nestea have to do it? Because the rules said so when he played his match and he followed them? Why are Major and Hero special? Not about them being special, it's about the rule being stupid in the first place. Suck it up? I have to put up with Koreans filling up WCS NA, you have to put up with the games having to be played on NA. It's mid-season, the tournament is what the tournament is, work on making the next one better rather then demanding certain players get special exemptions. Ah, so that's what this is about. Amazingly enough people are able to support different positions then you and still have valid opinions! If you're just going to ignore people who don't agree with you why are you bothering to waste time posting here? It's not about having a different opinion, that's fine. It's about arguing about something completely different. I'm saying that the rule affecting this game at hand is dumb. Yes it might be too late to change it now that it's already been active but it's still dumb. But this is something that MLG and the players (or whoever else is responsible) can address. People like you are arguing about the whole fucking system of allowing non-NA players to compete in NA, which means ultimately you're arguing about Blizzard's goals and intentions for what WCS should be. That doesn't belong here. That's a different discussion.
So basically your argument is the rule is stupid because you think so?
This simple rule that should have been clear from the very beginning solves A LOT. If KR vs KR are allowed to play on another server more players will want to play on other servers. Where will KR vs EU play? Why should they HAVE to play on NA? What if there are Battle.net issues on NA Servers and some players get an advantage because they played on another server? What if a NA player wants to play on another server?
If you don't like this simple rule you will need a ton more which solve the problems caused by the lack of it. But you will probably also find it funny if you can't watch the match since you have to wait for a final deciscion of a referee how the situation will be handled. I prefer simple rules. Especially if you always have the possibility to play in another Tournament with better ping.
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On May 02 2013 04:24 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it. If you had at least skimmed through it first you would have seen the actual reasons Mlg gave for their reasoning and you wouldn't have had to make up your own.
lol. those weren't reasons.
it was just bad excuses.
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On May 02 2013 04:11 Faveokatro wrote:
I don't think people would mind Koreans playing in WCS NA if they also lived here. The problem isn't xenophobia as many seem to imply, the problem is the risk of WCS NA, WCS EU, and WCS KR being 95% Korean watering down the entire ideal of a "Global" tournament. And then you end up with a ton of gamesmanship - let's say there are 3 players at the top of the GSL (for simplicity, I'm just going to use Innovation, Flash, and Jaedong). There would be a HUGE incentive for Flash to move to WCS NA, and Jaedong to move to WCS EU, so that each one is basically guaranteed a championship.
In the end, it really comes down to people who prefer watching club matches vs people who prefer watching international matches. Club teams bring a higher quality of play on average (look at the CL vs the WC, where half the teams flub completely and most of the remainder fall short of expectations based on talent). Yet there's huge appeal in the WC nonetheless.
It's quite tiring to read repeated insinuations of racism or xenophobia for anyone who isn't on board with completely open WCS tournaments. Just because the 2nd team of Spain would more than likely demolish the US doesn't mean I would want them playing for us next year.
Well said.
My main problem with region locking is lots of very good Koreans are locked out of money they can use to keep playing. It would be like if FIFA itself was in charge of 75% of salaries for all football players and distributed the money equally amongst the 20 players for each country. All 20 players from the US don't deserve to make a living off that money more than 21-40 in many European/South American powerhouses.
Sure, some lesser known Koreans players can barely scrape by on team salaries, but I don't think it's fair for jobbers in NA to make a comfortable esports living when the 65th best player in Korea barely makes enough to live. I'm not saying everyone in NA is awful but a full Code S/Code A of just NA/SA players would have many very questionable inclusions.
Also, what are the Chinese/SEA players supposed to do if they region lock? You either need to make a million different WCSs or do something moronic like make them play with Koreans, when the passport situation among China, Taiwan, and Korea would be a nightmare, not to mention in all liklihood none of them could qualify against Koreans anyway.
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On May 02 2013 04:25 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:24 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:21 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 04:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On May 02 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:On May 02 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote:
Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. i think debate is pointless because there are two best options here: 1) let them play on kr 2) change rules so they can play on kr claiming this is wcs am and needs to be played am server is no different than following the leadership of a duck because that duck is a leader. throw away all sense for the sake of following a senseless rule. there are more positive benefits and makes more sense for two players, living in korea, to play on kr, it benefits players and viewers. there is ZERO benefit to force them playing on AM server, except make idiots happy that thinks wca am should be only limited to AM server for a online match. senseless rules need be changed, it'll make more sense for them to say "ok, rules need changing so lets change it" instead of "rules are rules and stick to it". You didn't read this thread at all, did you? the whole thread? only up to page 4, my first post...i woke up and see 40+ pages of debate and i was actually surprised by it. If you had at least skimmed through it first you would have seen the actual reasons Mlg gave for their reasoning and you wouldn't have had to make up your own. lol. those weren't reasons. it was just bad excuses.
It might be an 'excuse' if they had done something wrong... You're free to see it however you like but in reality they've just explained why a rule is the way it is.
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