EPTIf it's in the rules, and they have already been used, stick to the rules and give the tournament some respect, rather than changing the rules because a fan favourite didn't like them.
MajOr and HerO forced to play WCS Matches on NA? - Page 46
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alvadr
135 Posts
If it's in the rules, and they have already been used, stick to the rules and give the tournament some respect, rather than changing the rules because a fan favourite didn't like them. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote: Admins should start banning people for this. It's a completely different argument. Considering you're quite happy to dismiss people for simply disagreeing with you I wouldn't be too quick to ask mods to step in and remove bad posting. Amazingly enough people are able to support different positions then you and still have valid opinions! If you're just going to ignore people who don't agree with you why are you bothering to waste time posting here? | ||
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:44 TheButtonmen wrote: Master of Puppets for Good posting Bonjwa eh? I'm saying that once the rules have effected players games then you stick with a consistent ruleset until the end of the event and then you can make changes to it for future events. Changing the rules on the fly for certain players is straight up bad practice and events rightfully take a lot of flak when they do it. Edit: This. Do you think that the rule should be changed for the next season? | ||
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RenSC2
United States1082 Posts
1. MLG should not be required to have a lag free connection to the KR server when they are running an AM event. It is their responsibility to have a lag free connection to the AM server only. Connecting to KR from New York could cause lag from the observers and affect the quality of the game and that would look very bad for MLG. Instead, they enforced a rule that would give them a controlled environment (that all the player signed up for) and MLG should be able to handle it much more safely. 2. We're trying to find the best competitors on the AM server. If Hero or Major play styles that require supreme control and can only achieve that on the KR server, then allowing them to play out their match on the KR server creates a false winner who cannot succeed in a slightly lagged environment. Instead, they will need to adapt strategies for a slightly lagged environment that they signed up for and the one who can do that better will be the winner. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote: 25% is now considered "almost finished"? Man to think I actually took you guys seriously for a while... So your solution is that exceptions should be allowed for this rule? What happens when another player objects to another rule they don't like? Do we go and see how the community feels about the rule and its merits and enforce the rule based on that? When does it end, or are we just not entertaining the slippery slop arguments at this time? | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:44 TheButtonmen wrote: Master of Puppets for Good posting Bonjwa eh? I'm saying that once the rules have effected players games then you stick with a consistent ruleset until the end of the event and then you can make changes to it for future events. Changing the rules on the fly for certain players is straight up bad practice and events rightfully take a lot of flak when they do it. Edit: This. what you are saying is irrelevant because it's an excuse of an argument to disguise you have issues with koreans competing in WCS America. if a rule makes no sense there is no need NOT to change it. but MLG is obviously incapable of constructive critisism and the KR haters in this thread just make me sick. most of them got INVITED after all. every fans first objective should be fairness of play for the participating players regardless of where they come from. this situation is easy to resolve and still nothing happens... | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:49 Dracid wrote: Do you think that the rule should be changed for the next season? I personally feel that the entire thing should be region locked which would prevent this issue from ever occurring. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:49 RenSC2 wrote: 2. We're trying to find the best competitors on the AM server. If Hero or Major play styles that require supreme control and can only achieve that on the KR server, then allowing them to play out their match on the KR server creates a false winner who cannot succeed in a slightly lagged environment. Instead, they will need to adapt strategies for a slightly lagged environment that they signed up for and the one who can do that better will be the winner. You are aware in subsequent rounds all competitors will play in an offline environment right? How does making two Koreans play in a laggy environment in the RO32 help determine the best person in a (hopefully) lag free environment? | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:51 fleeze wrote: what you are saying is irrelevant because it's an excuse of an argument to disguise you have issues with koreans competing in WCS America. if a rule makes no sense there is no need NOT to change it. but MLG is obviously incapable of constructive critisism and the KR haters in this thread just make me sick. every fans first objective should be fairness of play for the participating players regardless of where they come from. this situation is easy to resolve and still nothing happens... Disguise? I've never tried to hide the fact that I would prefer WCS to be region locked. There are quite a number of reasons to support region locking that have nothing to do with racism. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:51 TheButtonmen wrote: I personally feel that the entire thing should be region locked which would prevent this issue from ever occurring. Or the entire round of 32 should be offline, which solves this problem instantly. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:52 TheButtonmen wrote: Disguise? I've never tried to hide the fact that I would prefer WCS to be region locked. It's not that I hate Koreans, there are quite a number of reasons to support region locking that have nothing to do with racism. it has because you didn't understand the tournament and don't accept that it is the fucking way it is. shifting the blame to the players however is unacceptable. but it is exactly what YOU and others do in this thread. it's disgusting and imho it's racism because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROBLEM AT HAND. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:49 TheButtonmen wrote: Considering you're quite happy to dismiss people for simply disagreeing with you I wouldn't be too quick to ask mods to step in and remove bad posting. Amazingly enough people are able to support different positions then you and still have valid opinions! If you're just going to ignore people who don't agree with you why are you bothering to waste time posting here? It's not about having a different opinion, that's fine. It's about arguing about something completely different. I'm saying that the rule affecting this game at hand is dumb. Yes it might be too late to change it now that it's already been active but it's still dumb. But this is something that MLG and the players (or whoever else is responsible) can address. People like you are arguing about the whole fucking system of allowing non-NA players to compete in NA, which means ultimately you're arguing about Blizzard's goals and intentions for what WCS should be. That doesn't belong here. That's a different discussion. On May 02 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote: Or the entire round of 32 should be offline, which solves this problem instantly. But that's not what he wants. All he wants is the Koreans out so terrible players (in comparison) from NA can be at the Grand Finals and take spots from better players. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote: Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. I disagree. If you want to post as part of this debate, you have to play by the debate's rules and servers. | ||
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Gojira621
United States374 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:51 TheButtonmen wrote: I personally feel that the entire thing should be region locked which would prevent this issue from ever occurring. Is violet allowed to play in NA? How about Select? Polt? Do we throw Major out of Korea if he's going to compete in NA? Is Naniwa not allowed to compete in EU since he hangs out in Korea too much? How long does Nestea have to live in NA before he's allowed to beat up on the subpar WCS? Sorry but NA already gets a ton of seeds for people who probably wouldn't have legitimately qualified. | ||
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote: Admins should start banning people for this. It's a completely different argument and ultimately always ends up in player bashing. Completely different? It's another argument but it is pretty closely related to this topic actually. You seem really defensive about your opinions, like you just want mods to ban people you disagree with. So basically MLG have said that they prioritize the 'logistics' (reducing downtime/confusion that comes from server switching during live broadcast) of this tournament over the 'integrity' (allowing the players to play with lowest possible ping) of it. It's shitty but, contrary to what many of the people in this thread seem to think, they can do whatever the hell they want with their own tournament. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:56 kollin wrote: Oh my fucking god this debate is so pointless. But made for a super amusing lunch break(no streaming on the work PC >  ). But beyond that, you are correct. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On May 02 2013 03:59 diophan wrote: Is violet allowed to play in NA? How about Select? Polt? Do we throw Major out of Korea if he's going to compete in NA? Is Naniwa not allowed to compete in EU since he hangs out in Korea too much? How long does Nestea have to live in NA before he's allowed to beat up on the subpar WCS? Sorry but NA already gets a ton of seeds for people who probably wouldn't have legitimately qualified. Clearly you have to lock to Americas only, otherwise you might get Taiwanese, Chinese and SEA players playing, in which case you might have two people from one of those areas against each other, and have the exact same problem, so you need Americas only and exclude anyone else from outside the Americas. Including Americans who are elsewhere, like Scarlett, Major, Huk etc. Also I agree with the above poster. warnings/bans for anyone who says "WCS NA". | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 04:00 Swagasaurus wrote: Completely different? It's another argument but it is pretty closely related to this topic actually. You seem really defensive about your opinions, like you just want mods to ban people you disagree with. So basically MLG have said that they prioritize the 'logistics' (reducing downtime/confusion that comes from server switching during live broadcast) of this tournament over the 'integrity' (allowing the players to play with lowest possible ping) of it. It's shitty but, contrary to what many of the people in this thread seem to think, they can do whatever the hell they want with their own tournament. Yeah of course they can do that. The thing is, why should people be fine with that? Players and viewers are ultimately gonna play/watch a worse game. | ||
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