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wow. its surprising that this is debatable o.O
i thought there's only one solution, play on KR
playing environment (LOW LATENCY!!!!!!) > procedure
they're pros, best environment needs to be provided to them, rules can bend for occasions like this.
i would
1) let them play on kr
2) no observer unless observer is from kr
3) check their match history to verify
4) cast from replay which i assume they will do
i dont know why they're so stubborn, like so many here, that say "its WCA AM , must be played on AM!". there is no logic in this except following rules like a mindless dog that cant think for themselves.
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On May 02 2013 02:36 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? blame that to blizzard not to the players, you people seem to miss the point if it is a korean player vs a american player(living in america) than obviously all games should be played on us servers, but if its a korean vs a korean, or in my case american living in korea vs a korean, why in the fuck do we have to play on us server? IT MAKES NO SENSE MAKES ME SO UPSET THAT ALL THE FANS THINK ITS FINE IF WE PLAY ON NA JUST CAUSE BLIZZARD DECIDED TO ALLOW PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA TO PLAY ON WCS AMERICA. FOR FUCK SAKE What server did Nestea vs Apoc happen on?
america, ur point? nowhere in the rules it said all games will have to be played on america, i had to ask an admind for this information. obviously
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On May 02 2013 02:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol I've been saying this exact thing for hours now. People are more focused on bashing players who chose NA than seeing good games.
I don't really have a strong opinion on this myself, but unfortunately it appears you have a point after glancing through this thread. People seem to be more concerned about punishing HerO for entering WCS America than to actually weigh the pros and cons of this specific situation.
"What are they doing in the WCS NA in the first place? They should not have been allowed anyway. Get out of my USA while I support my hometown heroes like Stephano and WhiteRa. Stop stealing our money".
Of course the above is exaggerated, but I don't think we would get even 10% of the complaints if everyone except Koreans were allowed to enter WCS America.
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On May 02 2013 02:36 Bumblebee wrote:
Friends, we're all in the same boat. We want what is best for all of us. Most of the arguments you're using have nothing to do with the actual game and this rule, but more so that you think there should be a region lock differently than the one being used. This rule does not make much sense since you allowed Koreans in.
If you want a different WCS NA with a different rule on the region lock, that is where your blood, sweat and tears should be spent since it'd actually matter and be useful there.
I'm actually pretty damn okay with making it as uncomfortable and annoying for non-NA players to participate in WCS NA as possible. Slightly worse games is a price I'll happily pay for that.
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On May 02 2013 02:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? You make a completely different argument. You completely, 100%, missed the point.
I don't think he missed the point at all. His point is that the increased latency (even if it's equal for both players) is unpleasant and therefore an artificial deterrent for cross-region players.
It's a valid argument. I disagree with it, but it is a valid argument.
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As far as i remember in the Rules that players got it was clearly stated that there is only 1 server the games will be played on for each region.
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i dont care about the protectionism by the americans.
I think a given rule should not be bend or changed midseason.
When game 3 is on daybreak, it is played on Daybreak and no other map because neither of the players wants do play Daybreak. (weird example i know  )
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On May 02 2013 02:38 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 Bumblebee wrote:
Friends, we're all in the same boat. We want what is best for all of us. Most of the arguments you're using have nothing to do with the actual game and this rule, but more so that you think there should be a region lock differently than the one being used. This rule does not make much sense since you allowed Koreans in.
If you want a different WCS NA with a different rule on the region lock, that is where your blood, sweat and tears should be spent since it'd actually matter and be useful there. I'm actually pretty damn okay with making it as uncomfortable and annoying for non-NA players to participate in WCS NA as possible. Slightly worse games is a price I'll happily pay for that.
So basically we've come to the same conclusion from the earlier pages, that this feeling is all out of pitiful spite and frustration. Nice. Well it's good to see you're honest about it, at least.
Why not make them play on EU then, the latency from KR to there is even worse.
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On May 02 2013 02:36 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? blame that to blizzard not to the players, you people seem to miss the point if it is a korean player vs a american player(living in america) than obviously all games should be played on us servers, but if its a korean vs a korean, or in my case american living in korea vs a korean, why in the fuck do we have to play on us server? IT MAKES NO SENSE MAKES ME SO UPSET THAT ALL THE FANS THINK ITS FINE IF WE PLAY ON NA JUST CAUSE BLIZZARD DECIDED TO ALLOW PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA TO PLAY ON WCS AMERICA. FOR FUCK SAKE
Any barrier that makes it more awkward/unpleasant for people who aren't contributing to the American scene to play in the American servers WCS is a good thing.
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On May 02 2013 02:38 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 02:36 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? blame that to blizzard not to the players, you people seem to miss the point if it is a korean player vs a american player(living in america) than obviously all games should be played on us servers, but if its a korean vs a korean, or in my case american living in korea vs a korean, why in the fuck do we have to play on us server? IT MAKES NO SENSE MAKES ME SO UPSET THAT ALL THE FANS THINK ITS FINE IF WE PLAY ON NA JUST CAUSE BLIZZARD DECIDED TO ALLOW PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA TO PLAY ON WCS AMERICA. FOR FUCK SAKE What server did Nestea vs Apoc happen on? america, ur point? nowhere in the rules it said all games will have to be played on america, i had to ask an admind for this information. obviously
His point is their games would have to be replayed if your games are played on KR, otherwise it would be unfair to apoc and nestea. Obviously
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On May 02 2013 02:38 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 02:36 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? blame that to blizzard not to the players, you people seem to miss the point if it is a korean player vs a american player(living in america) than obviously all games should be played on us servers, but if its a korean vs a korean, or in my case american living in korea vs a korean, why in the fuck do we have to play on us server? IT MAKES NO SENSE MAKES ME SO UPSET THAT ALL THE FANS THINK ITS FINE IF WE PLAY ON NA JUST CAUSE BLIZZARD DECIDED TO ALLOW PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA TO PLAY ON WCS AMERICA. FOR FUCK SAKE What server did Nestea vs Apoc happen on? america, ur point? nowhere in the rules it said all games will have to be played on america, i had to ask an admind for this information. obviously
Would Apoc be allowed to ask for a rematch on Korean server? It's mid-season and precedent has already been set, the time to ask for a rules change is between the season not during them.
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On May 02 2013 02:38 TrippSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? You make a completely different argument. You completely, 100%, missed the point. I don't think he missed the point at all. His point is that the increased latency (even if it's equal for both players) is unpleasant and therefore an artificial deterrent for cross-region players. It's a valid argument. I disagree with it, but it is a valid argument.
He's ultimately arguing about the overall system. This isn't about the overall system. If he wants a nationality based region lock (which he obviously does) it's a different discussion than this. His argument is basically "yeah it's worse for them but they shouldn't be allowed to be here anyway so fuck them"
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On May 02 2013 02:38 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 Bumblebee wrote:
Friends, we're all in the same boat. We want what is best for all of us. Most of the arguments you're using have nothing to do with the actual game and this rule, but more so that you think there should be a region lock differently than the one being used. This rule does not make much sense since you allowed Koreans in.
If you want a different WCS NA with a different rule on the region lock, that is where your blood, sweat and tears should be spent since it'd actually matter and be useful there. I'm actually pretty damn okay with making it as uncomfortable and annoying for non-NA players to participate in WCS NA as possible. Slightly worse games is a price I'll happily pay for that.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets it.
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Wow at that poll. HerO and Major should play worse games because Americans are butthurt about Koreans in their tournament I guess. The negativity and spitefulness really gets me in these threads sometimes.
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On May 02 2013 02:39 Nerchio wrote:
As far as i remember in the Rules that players got it was clearly stated that there is only 1 server the games will be played on for each region.
It would be awesome if you could confirm that, because then this debate would be over.
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On May 02 2013 02:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:36 MajOr wrote:On May 02 2013 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because this is WCS AM and the players playing should be based in AM, therefore they're playing on the AM ladder and contributing to the development of the AM scene. Anything which makes it harder for players outside the AM region to play in this tournament is a good thing in my mind and the mind of most fans because ultimately Hero should not even be allowed to play in this tournament. The short term gain of a slightly better Bo3 is not worth losing the principle that this is a purely AM server tournament that should serve the interests of players who play on the AM server. What about that is hard to understand? blame that to blizzard not to the players, you people seem to miss the point if it is a korean player vs a american player(living in america) than obviously all games should be played on us servers, but if its a korean vs a korean, or in my case american living in korea vs a korean, why in the fuck do we have to play on us server? IT MAKES NO SENSE MAKES ME SO UPSET THAT ALL THE FANS THINK ITS FINE IF WE PLAY ON NA JUST CAUSE BLIZZARD DECIDED TO ALLOW PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA TO PLAY ON WCS AMERICA. FOR FUCK SAKE Any barrier that makes it more awkward/unpleasant for people who aren't contributing to the American scene to play in the American servers WCS is a good thing.
so lets punish the players instead of the organization that decided that the tournament wouldnt be region locked. smart
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On May 02 2013 02:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 02:38 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 02:36 Bumblebee wrote:
Friends, we're all in the same boat. We want what is best for all of us. Most of the arguments you're using have nothing to do with the actual game and this rule, but more so that you think there should be a region lock differently than the one being used. This rule does not make much sense since you allowed Koreans in.
If you want a different WCS NA with a different rule on the region lock, that is where your blood, sweat and tears should be spent since it'd actually matter and be useful there. I'm actually pretty damn okay with making it as uncomfortable and annoying for non-NA players to participate in WCS NA as possible. Slightly worse games is a price I'll happily pay for that. Glad to see I'm not the only one who is very bitter.
We already knew that when you got a 90 day ban for shitting on Stephano.
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Even if you're unhappy with the way WCS allows Koreans to play on NA, rules like this hurt the players and make for worse games. This is not a very constructive way to address the "region protection" issue in my opinion.
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On May 02 2013 02:42 Little-Chimp wrote:
Wow at that poll. HerO and Major should play worse games because Americans are butthurt about Koreans in their tournament I guess. The negativity and spitefulness really gets me in these threads sometimes.
Did you actually bother to read the thread?
Other players have already had to play their games on NA, the rules said that the games would be played on NA and they willingly signed up for WCS NA.
Mid-season rules changes to give special treatment to certain players are a bad thing.
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