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On May 01 2013 20:18 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag. If both players want to play on the same server then that wish should always be respected It's not just nazguls player that wants it, it's his opponent too
if both players dont want to play on a specific map, should that also be respected?
what if a match is scheduled when the player chosen server is on maintenance? Should they have to play on NA then? Fairness to other players with luckier schedule?
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On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It's unfortunate, because it doesn't deter Koreans when they have to play other Koreans on NA instead of KR. They will think it is too bad because everyone is uncomfortable and plays worse , but realistically they realize skill wise nothing changes between them and their opponent. There will be no noticeable effects to the WCS signups by having this rule. It may satisfy a few people who out of spite enjoy everyone being uncomfortable, though. I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag.
And what is so fucking despicable about letting two players from the same region play their games on that region's server?
Let's look at the advantages of that happening:
- players are more comfortable playing the game
- micro mistakes are less likely to happen because there is far lesser delay
- both of the above contribute to providing better games and a more enjoyable experience for the spectators
Let's look at the disadvantages:
- Oh wait there are no fucking disadvantages.
And don't give me that whole "but the rules and consistency and blah blah" bullshit. MLG have already broken their own fucking rules during the whole qualifier debacle, AND THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTED PLAYERS. This however doesn't, quite the contrary, it makes them play more comfortably and gives us better games. If both players agree to it, I really don't see what the big deal is.
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lol of course they have to play on NA, it's WCS NA if they want to play in korea server the can play WCS KR, this is just stupid, deal with it major and her0
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On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It's unfortunate, because it doesn't deter Koreans when they have to play other Koreans on NA instead of KR. They will think it is too bad because everyone is uncomfortable and plays worse , but realistically they realize skill wise nothing changes between them and their opponent. There will be no noticeable effects to the WCS signups by having this rule. It may satisfy a few people who out of spite enjoy everyone being uncomfortable, though. Why do you assume that the people who agree with the decision are spiteful? I personally understand MLGs and Blizzard's stance that players need to play on the server they agreed to play on. Exceptions lead to more exceptions in cases like this, with the same argument that "the game won't be impacted and both the players are on equal footing". I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag.
It isn't really a big deal, but your argument isn't correct as the WCS rules did not exist when people signed up. Believing the rules shouldn't be changed is a different opinion from believing it is a good rule, anyway.
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On May 01 2013 20:18 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag. If both players want to play on the same server then that wish should always be respected It's not just nazguls player that wants it, it's his opponent too
I get that both players want this, but there is a reason that this thread was started by a TL staff member and many of the Mods agreed on the subject.
And I understand that both player would like to play on their local server. What about about two players who are on two separate servers and the ping, neither which are NA and they have better ping between those servers? If they both agree, should they be allowed to play on their server of choice?
That is the argument, that the conditions for play for these two players are preferable on a server that is not NA. I get that MLG does not want to make an exception on this because other players could make similar arguments for different sets of servers or conditions. MLG is taking the stance that players should play on the field they agreed to play on.
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On May 01 2013 20:21 Pik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:18 7mk wrote:On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag. If both players want to play on the same server then that wish should always be respected It's not just nazguls player that wants it, it's his opponent too if both players dont want to play on a specific map, should that also be respected?
That's a good point, but one thing only raises the quality in games, the other completely changes what is being played.
There simply isn't a reasonable downside to changing the servers and improving the quality of games is good for the viewing experience. If, say, players just wanted to play on Daybreak for the rest of their careers, that would be awful for the viewing experience
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On May 01 2013 10:57 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Good.
If you want to play in the wrong qualifier, you have to play with the lag that comes with that, even if your opponent happens to be in the same city as you on the wrong side of the world.
What kind of stupid logic is that. If blizzard was interested in people playing in the "right qualifier" they would have made people live in the region they compete in, they didn't, so obviously it's intentional that people play from "the wrong side of the world". They should want the best possible games, so there is no reason to not let them play on kr.
This just continues to show how fucking bad blizzard actually is when it comes to putting together a tournament.
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On May 01 2013 20:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It's unfortunate, because it doesn't deter Koreans when they have to play other Koreans on NA instead of KR. They will think it is too bad because everyone is uncomfortable and plays worse , but realistically they realize skill wise nothing changes between them and their opponent. There will be no noticeable effects to the WCS signups by having this rule. It may satisfy a few people who out of spite enjoy everyone being uncomfortable, though. Why do you assume that the people who agree with the decision are spiteful? I personally understand MLGs and Blizzard's stance that players need to play on the server they agreed to play on. Exceptions lead to more exceptions in cases like this, with the same argument that "the game won't be impacted and both the players are on equal footing". I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag. It isn't really a big deal, but your argument isn't correct as the WCS rules did not exist when people signed up. Believing the rules shouldn't be changed is a different opinion from believing it is a good rule, anyway.
I will admit that the time line was so fast for WSC the exact chain of events in a little fuzzy in my mind. I could see annoyance with players if they made aware of the rule after they choose the region. And I don't have a problem with the rule or it being enforced. If the games are casted live, the production crew also has to deal with the lag and connection to Korea. I don't know how it is in NY, but mine from Boston is pretty worthless.
However, if it isn't that big a deal, why does this thread exist?
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On May 01 2013 20:23 Berceno wrote:
lol of course they have to play on NA, it's WCS NA if they want to play in korea server the can play WCS KR, this is just stupid, deal with it major and her0
It's not WCS NA.
Stop saying WCS NA.
There is no WCS NA.
A mod needs to put something in this thread saying there is no WCS NA, and start handing out warnings every time someone calls it WCS NA.
Also, it's irrelevant what it's called. Blizzard have basically forced it to not be WCS Americas by making it the main option for people in SEA, Taiwan and China, unless they want to LIVE in South Korea.
Really it should be called WCS: RoW, because that's what it is.
WCS EU is WCS EMEA.
WCS Korea is WCS People living in Korea.
Once you understand that WCS "NA" as you insist on calling it is actually WCS: RoW, you might understand why, generally speaking, this rule is stupid, because realistically you would potentially get two competitors from outside the Americas playing at some point, who through no fault of their own are forced to participate in WCS Americas, as it's their only real option due to location, who might want to play against their opponent on their shared local server which is not the NA server.
Also. NOT WCS NA.
Rather than thinking about it as "people playing in WCS NA who aren't North American, so screw them", you should think about what WCS Americas actually is, and who might play, and what the implications might be in a broader sense.
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This whole thread is full of unassumed xenophobia and inferiority complex from the foreigners (not even the players, the spectator which is even worst).
The last part of the tournament will be offline anyway. Who gives a fuck about the server before that ?
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This is wcs NA, if they play on the KR server it's even more meaningless than it is now
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They have already made up rules as they've gone along. To draw a hard line here and say rules are rules when the change would effect no one except the players involved is pretty silly. And the viewers wouldn't notice any difference other than the possibility of better micro in games (oh the horror). The slippery slope argument that so many seems so fond of is weak at best, there's nothing to suggest that going along with this change would lead to other changes. So some players might get their feelings hurt that their requests aren't listened to. So what?
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On May 01 2013 20:31 Jetaap wrote:
This is wcs NA, if they play on the KR server it's even more meaningless than it is now
It is not WCS NA. You are wrong.
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On May 01 2013 20:31 Jetaap wrote:
This is wcs NA, if they play on the KR server it's even more meaningless than it is now
How would you know the difference as a viewer?
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On May 01 2013 20:32 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:31 Jetaap wrote:
This is wcs NA, if they play on the KR server it's even more meaningless than it is now How would you know the difference as a viewer?
Because the players would have spot-on micro and better execution of play, oh the horror!
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On May 01 2013 20:25 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 20:21 Pik wrote:On May 01 2013 20:18 7mk wrote:On May 01 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote:On May 01 2013 20:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand your player were would prefer to play on KR, but I am sure a lot of players would prefer to play on the server that gave them the least lag. If both players want to play on the same server then that wish should always be respected It's not just nazguls player that wants it, it's his opponent too if both players dont want to play on a specific map, should that also be respected? That's a good point, but one thing only raises the quality in games, the other completely changes what is being played. There simply isn't a reasonable downside to changing the servers and improving the quality of games is good for the viewing experience. If, say, players just wanted to play on Daybreak for the rest of their careers, that would be awful for the viewing experience
orga a multi-server tournament would be a nightmare for MLG /ESL/GOM.
You could also say that the players could/should be able to time the games so they dont have to play in the middle of the night/morning. There would be better games with rested players!
no tournament host makes strict rules just for fun. But if you create a precedent the floodgates open and everyone wants his "reasonable" changes...
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lol, now in a few weeks I want to see a thread like this :
Since the ro16 is entirely koreans + snute who lives in korea anyway, GOM has offered to host the remaining matches of the competition offline, in their studio. I think that would be awesome for the viewership experience ! But guess what : MLG refused ! They should be ashamed... blah blah blah
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