EPTMajOr and HerO forced to play WCS Matches on NA? - Page 13
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mongmong
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yrt123
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On May 01 2013 13:00 woody60707 wrote: Has MLG ever allowed players to switch servers before? Has MLG in the past forced players to play on the NA servers? Because it would be unfair for the past players, and then change the rules for Major and HerO. Also has this ever came up with with WCS EU/KR with with a Blizzard tournament in the past? Because it would be very unfair to past players that had to follow the rules. If the rules were bent in the past, they should allow it, it not, then no. I don't wanna argue for this case here but the way you put it things should never be changed because it would be 'unfair' to those who already had to go through it? So you should not fix mistakes because it is unfair that people in the future won't suffer the consequences of the mistakes like those in the past?... Abit flawed rationalising there. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:05 mongmong wrote: I dont think this is an important topic atm, Snute is on his way to koreeeeeeeeeeaa to play in proleague What does Snute have to do with anything in this thread? | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
Of course it's Blizzard's fault for not locking players into the region they actually reside in in the first place, but still, I'm not bothered. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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partydude89
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oxxo
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On May 01 2013 13:17 partydude89 wrote: People here seem to be arguing that koreans should have a harder time because they are competing in WCS NA. But to put lag on those players in Korea for no reason at all, other then to hinder them, just seems stupid. they still will have to do their other matches on NA, and have to pay for the flight to go to the offline portion of the event. No one is putting lag on them. They put lag on themselves when they chose to do WCS AM instead of KR. It was their choice and to complain about having to follow the rules is just silly. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:12 forsooth wrote: Can't say I'm too broken up about guys who jumped out of their own region to try and beat up another and grab up their money having to play a laggy match. Of course it's Blizzard's fault for not locking players into the region they actually reside in in the first place, but still, I'm not bothered. This also affects Major, Huk, Scarlett and their matches against Koreans. This isn't only a Korean problem. Even Snute heading to Korea is now going to suffer from this. It's absolutely idiotic. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:24 Hrrrrm wrote: This also affects Major, Huk, Scarlett and their matches against Koreans. This isn't only a Korean problem. Even Snute heading to Korea is now going to suffer from this. It's absolutely idiotic. snute will not have this issue since all matches he plays from now on will be live | ||
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oBlade
United States5628 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:12 forsooth wrote: Can't say I'm too broken up about guys who jumped out of their own region to try and beat up another and grab up their money having to play a laggy match. Of course it's Blizzard's fault for not locking players into the region they actually reside in in the first place, but still, I'm not bothered. There's no reason to have this kind of contempt for professionals. Earning money is their job, it's the reason they can work full-time to give you good games. If the regions are open, how can you say any player has a region except the one they decide to play in? What is "their own region" besides the region you think they should be playing in, as though you are in control of their lives...? But if you want to organize a league, let alone a world championship, you're obligated to conduct it competently, and I don't think MLG or Blizzard have done their best this time. It's especially puzzling that you would criticize Major for playing in WCS NA. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On May 01 2013 10:53 Grettin wrote: How surprising. Sarcastically said the jaded e-sports enthusiast. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
is it just some slow admin that's responsible for this or? | ||
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Canada506 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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TiberiusAk
United States122 Posts
On May 01 2013 12:50 Dodgin wrote: The players aren't " lagging " the game though, they just have delay because of the server location. The observer doesn't have to input command like a player does so delay doesn't affect them. It's definitely better than having both players play with delay. <snip> The game attempts to keep all clients in sync, observers and players. You might not think it needs to do this, but the fact seems to be that it is doing it even though it may not need to. This is evident because a) players experience lag from lagging observers (see the examples in previous post), and b) the game pops up the "waiting for players" message for observers like it does for players (you would think it would never need to do this, but it does). The game might permit an observer to lag a little more than it allows players, but if they are too far behind it slows down the game to let them catch up, creating lag for the players. Technical hypothesis: + Show Spoiler + The technical reason for this is probably the same reason that you can't just jump straight to a future point in a replay that hasn't been loaded yet--the game client needs to compute the results of all the actions it's given, it can't just magically resync. The observer probably has to receive all the orders from the players before it can catch up to them. Edit: adding previous post, didn't realize it wasn't quoted above: The best reason I can think of for MLG to make this rule is that MLG's two observing PC's are in New York. Observers lagging seems to have an effect on the players too (in an WCS EU match today with Thorzain, both players were complaining about lag from observers). So, if the quality is going to be ruined by lag whenever there is cross-continent play (even if both players are on the remote continent, but the casters are not), you might as well have the rule that players always play on AM. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:30 oBlade wrote: There's no reason to have this kind of contempt for professionals. Earning money is their job, it's the reason they can work full-time to give you good games. If the regions are open, how can you say any player has a region except the one they decide to play in? What is "their own region" besides the region you think they should be playing in, as though you are in control of their lives...? But if you want to organize a league, let alone a world championship, you're obligated to conduct it competently, and I don't think MLG or Blizzard have done their best this time. It's especially puzzling that you would criticize Major for playing in WCS NA. Contempt? I'd say it's a pretty level-headed response to the ridiculousness that is the WCS. He didn't say, "Fuck all the koreans who are playing for WCS NA; I hope they get herpes." He said he's not broken up about it. But let's not play stupid here. How can we say a player has a certain region? I'd say common sense works for the overwhelming majority of them and the ones that legitimately aren't as cut-and-dry would be given plenty of slack in that department. And let's be honest, this is all much ado about nothing. This is just one more thing to complain about so people can take shots at MLG. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 01 2013 12:38 Plansix wrote: Exactly. I don't mind players and teams having complaints about the system, but they all don't need to air every single one in public. Its tiring and unprofessional. If you have a complaint about a rule, escalate it within MLG or have your team do it. It can be way more effective that people think. Everything does not need to be drama filled nonsense. Do you have proof that it'd be more effective or effective at all? Cause I don't think you do. Also, Twitter is used mostly for talking about the things that happened to you or that you're going to do. Makes sense that he would say something about it on twitter. I'd be bothered by it if I was playing competitively, too. No one likes playing with lag, especially when they don't technically NEED to... On May 01 2013 13:39 I_Love_Bacon wrote: And let's be honest, this is all much ado about nothing. This is just one more thing to complain about so people can take shots at MLG. Pretty sure Major found it rather stupid, and I do too. So, "much ado about nothing" is a rather retarded way of putting it. It's one more thing to complain about, indeed! (There are so many!! Wew!) | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On May 01 2013 13:30 oBlade wrote: There's no reason to have this kind of contempt for professionals. Earning money is their job, it's the reason they can work full-time to give you good games. If the regions are open, how can you say any player has a region except the one they decide to play in? What is "their own region" besides the region you think they should be playing in, as though you are in control of their lives...? But if you want to organize a league, let alone a world championship, you're obligated to conduct it competently, and I don't think MLG or Blizzard have done their best this time. It's especially puzzling that you would criticize Major for playing in WCS NA. Contempt? It's indifference. As for Major, he's been trying forever to go to Korea and get into a Kespa team. He succeeded and made Korea his new home as a professional player. What's the point of going through all that effort to set up shop in Korea and prove himself if he's going to just play in WCS AM? | ||
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