EPTMajOr and HerO forced to play WCS Matches on NA? - Page 15
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
Geettttt ovverrrrrrr yourrrrsseeeeeelffffffffffffff | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:09 SneakyWeasel wrote: Lets take this to the extreme. Imagine 6 seasons from now EVERY North American player has been weeded out of WCS NA save those practicing in Korea and all that remains is Koreans. Now we have EVERY WCS North America match being played on KR server in lieu of NA due to the precedent this sets. What reason is there to even call it a 'North American' league anymore at this point when the games of foreigners aren't even being played on the NA server?\ Sure, it sucks as a viewer that the games will be a little bit worse due to safer play, but honestly they knew when they signed up that they would have to play on the NA server and what serves to differentiate them? Say that we had a hacked Heart of the Swarm game that could be played on LAN and the two competitors and Axslav or whomever is casting are all capable of playing in the same room on LAN, sure it's an extreme case, but it gives us viewers better games regardless of the intention of the rules or the league. All due to the precedent that MLG decides to set in this case. I'll back their decision either way, but I think it's important that at this juncture they make a decision they are willing to stand strong behind. Only every match in the round of 32 would be on KR, all the rest would be live in studio as they will be this season. The hacked LAN scenario is not realistic, because no tournament would play on a hacked LAN version since it would be against the law, this case is just a rule that players and (some) viewers consider unjustified. I think allowing organisations to enact rules that players and viewers consider unjustified would be a worse precedent to set, but that is just my opinion. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:02 forsooth wrote: Leave that kind of shit out of your posts in the future. I already explained precisely why it doesn't make sense for Major to compete in WCS AM. He very intentionally left NA to prove himself in Korea. He lives there now and plays for a Korean team. What! You should become aware of your (lack of) intellect. It may help you in the future. Anyway, that has very little to do with what the WCS series is about. WCS AM is there to have a competitive scene for America (or some BS like that). Currently, not many Americans are even close to the same level as Koreans. Major is one of very few (North) Americans who is (or was?) actually close to Koreans. That has nothing to do with where he currently resides. Also, -EVERYONE- should have been well informed of the WCS format months and months in advance, but we all know how that went and do not need to get into it again. It's seriously stupid to say that because he moved to Korea he should have participated in WCS AM. He actually got a direct seed into WCS AM. So, the point is that because he's an actual American (assuming American=anyone from North+South America), he should play in WCS America. I personally don't believe there should ever be a tournament that only allows someone from certain countries to participate, but obviously, people enjoy their local competition. That's fine, but then it should be based on whether you are actually from -THAT- country (look at WCS 2012). This WCS fails in every possible regard, I'm afraid. On May 01 2013 14:37 -Kaiser- wrote: Kid leaves NA to prove he can play in Korea, joins WCS NA and bitches on twitter that he's expected to play on NA server. Geettttt ovverrrrrrr yourrrrsseeeeeelffffffffffffff It's quite possible he wouldn't have even moved to Korea if he had known about the GSL and WCS changes. It's only logical to make the best choices you can at any point, even if it abandons your original plans. Hurrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr User was warned for this post | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
i mean this is esports, not the nba | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:37 -Kaiser- wrote: Kid leaves NA to prove he can play in Korea, joins WCS NA and bitches on twitter that he's expected to play on NA server. Geettttt ovverrrrrrr yourrrrsseeeeeelffffffffffffff Yeah FUCK that guy for going to Korea to put actual work into improving and becoming good enough to beat Korean players | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
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mewo
United States221 Posts
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:56 Msr wrote: Lol if koreans were able to play on korea server for wcs usa then there would be little point in staying in wcs kr Currently, every Korean has won despite the latency. But, for the most part, the reason Koreans didn't switch is that they would have to give up their WCS KR spot in order to start (potentially) from Challenger league (Code A in EU/AM). Plus, if every Korean tried for WCS AM, then it'd be the same as WCS KR and then there wouldn't be any point in trying to do WCS AM any more ^_^. But, Blizzard wanted it to be open to everyone anywhere if they wanted to play in it, so that is how it is! I would definitely have preferred they just make it be so that you must have citizenship or permanent residence to participate in each WCS. People from outside the WCS countries can just pick which they want to try for, since it's lame to have one for some countries and not for others right? Funny how these WCS threads all go back to the same major topics! | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:09 SneakyWeasel wrote: Lets take this to the extreme. Imagine 6 seasons from now EVERY North American player has been weeded out of WCS NA save those practicing in Korea and all that remains is Koreans. Now we have EVERY WCS North America match being played on KR server in lieu of NA due to the precedent this sets. What reason is there to even call it a 'North American' league anymore at this point when the games of foreigners aren't even being played on the NA server?\ Sure, it sucks as a viewer that the games will be a little bit worse due to safer play, but honestly they knew when they signed up that they would have to play on the NA server and what serves to differentiate them? Say that we had a hacked Heart of the Swarm game that could be played on LAN and the two competitors and Axslav or whomever is casting are all capable of playing in the same room on LAN, sure it's an extreme case, but it gives us viewers better games regardless of the intention of the rules or the league. All due to the precedent that MLG decides to set in this case. I'll back their decision either way, but I think it's important that at this juncture they make a decision they are willing to stand strong behind. maybe north americans should stop being bad then | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
Can you even call the tournament WCS AM anymore if the round of 16 is gonna be 95% Koreans playing on KR server? Start thinking further... Seriously... | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
1) It is WCS: America, not WCS: North America. The server could have equally (but far more stupidly) be chosen to be the South American server. Does that make it wrong for people from this area to want to play their matches on this server GIVEN that both players are from south america? 2) There is no argument about whether Major/Hero should be playing on the NA server when playing an opponent from any other region. They obviously should be and this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. 3) There's no 'punishment' here by forcing a match to be played on NA when both players are playing from Korea. They have the same disadvantage and hence players are playing on a level playing field. All that this decision does is create a situation where a lesser quality game is going to result. The players aren't hurt by this; the only loser here is the viewers themselves. So please, someone who is supportive of this measure please explain to me how this is a GOOD decision, not merely an understandable one. On May 01 2013 15:14 stfouri wrote: Can't understand people that are bitching about this. Can you even call the tournament WCS AM anymore if the round of 16 is gonna be 95% Koreans playing on KR server? Start thinking further... Seriously... Think about it. The tournament has an offline component. The offline component is played in America. | ||
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FnaticPink
Denmark324 Posts
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excal
Canada166 Posts
On May 01 2013 15:15 Plexa wrote: I'm amazed that people actually believe this is a good thing. I can accept that people might understand why this has come about, but people actually advocating this as if it were a good thing? 1) It is WCS: America, not WCS: North America. The server could have equally (but far more stupidly) be chosen to be the South American server. Does that make it wrong for people from this area to want to play their matches on this server GIVEN that both players are from south america? 2) There is no argument about whether Major/Hero should be playing on the NA server when playing an opponent from any other region. They obviously should be and this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. 3) There's no 'punishment' here by forcing a match to be played on NA when both players are playing from Korea. They have the same disadvantage and hence players are playing on a level playing field. All that this decision does is create a situation where a lesser quality game is going to result. The players aren't hurt by this; the only loser here is the viewers themselves. So please, someone who is supportive of this measure please explain to me how this is a GOOD decision, not merely an understandable one. Think about it. The tournament has an offline component. The offline component is played in America. I'm just as surprised that there is such an overwhelming support for such a poor decision. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On May 01 2013 14:51 Dodgin wrote: Yeah FUCK that guy for going to Korea to put actual work into improving and becoming good enough to beat Korean players It's really cool that he is doing all that and what not, but at the end of the day, he chose WCS AM while residing in KR. I understand his frustration, and am sympathetic to a certain degree... but I find it hard to think they should bend the rules in this case. I think people are waaaay overstating the degree to which the quality of the games will suffer, which hurts their argument. The expressed purpose of the new WCS system was, in part, to develop a more competitive scene in NA. NA players using the KR infrastructure to gain an advantage over NA players stuck in NA sets a bad precedent anyway. | ||
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
On May 01 2013 15:20 excal wrote: I'm just as surprised that there is such an overwhelming support for such a poor decision. All people who're fanboys of the NA scene think it's a good call. It's the online part of the tournament so it doesn't matter on which server it should be played. Less lag = better games. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
easy as 1 2 3 .... | ||
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