The WCS America Qualifying tournament on April 20 and 21 will feature 512 players competing online in a double elimination bracket and will be FREE to enter.
Players worldwide can register beginning Friday, April 12 at 5pm ET online.
Registration will close on Friday, April 19 at 5pm ET.
Prizing:
Top eight players earn a spot in the WCS America Season 1 Premier League.
A second qualifying tournament will be held to determine the 16 spots in WCS America
Season 1 Challenger League. Details will be released soon.
Additional Details:
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET.
MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
If any users purchased credits for this competition, they can receive a refund by emailing support@majorleaguegaming.com
WCS America Open Qualifier for Challenger League
Registration opens Thursday, April 25 at 5pm ET
The WCS America Open Qualifier for Challenger League will feature 512 players competing online in a single elimination bracket and will be FREE to enter.
Registration: only Masters and Grandmasters players may register
Registration opens Thursday, April 25 at 5pm ET online.
Registration will close on Friday, April 26 at 5pm ET.
In order to be included in the bracket, all registered players must check-in between 10:00 AM and 12:30 PM on Saturday, April 27.
Prizing:
Top eight players will advance to play in the Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier on May 4.
Note: A select group of players will automatically be granted entry into the Open Qualifier including players beaten by competitors who were disqualified in the first WCS America qualifier, and select Chinese players who were not able to compete in the first qualifier.
WCS America Premier League
The format of the WCS America Premier League is very similar to the Code S format popularized by GSL, with two Group Stages followed by an Eight-Player, Single Elimination Bracket called the Regional Finals.
The Premier league will include 32 players – 24 invited players and eight players advancing from the WCS America Qualifying Tournament. Players will be divided amongst eight groups with four players in each group.
Group Stage 1: Players will compete online.
Group Stage 2: Players will compete LIVE, in-person from the MLG Studio in New York City. See schedule below.
The 24 invited players include:
Killer
Scarlett
Idra
Suppy
Fenix
Vibe
Huk
Illusion
Major
State
Goswser
HelloKitty
Minigun
TheOgnis
Capoch
Maker
Ryung
Hero
Violet
Polt
Moonglade
Sen
Nestea
Snute
WCS America Premier League Regional Finals:
Players will compete LIVE, in-person the weekend of June 1. The top five finishers will advance to the WCS Season 1 Finals. Additional details will be provided soon.
WCS America Challenger League:
The format of the WCS America Challenger League is very similar to the Code A format popularized by GSL, with a Single Elimination Bracket followed by a Group Stage. The Challenger League provides Players with the opportunity to qualify for the WCS Season 2 Premier League.
The Challenger League will include 40 players – 16 from the Qualifying Tournament and 24 Players who drop out of the Premier League. All Matches will take place online and be best of 3 games.
I still dislike having only 1 qualifier with top 8 advancing (b/c some players will have way easier brackets then others). Especially since it's single elimination.
good move very good move my problem is still the 512 player line. I mean it's nice to have only masters and gm participation plus the chinese, but according to sc2 ranks, there are 11.330 masters player on na, and there are only 512 spots and it should be an "open qualifier". I mean its clear that not all 11,330 want to participate or have a shot on qualifying but i would like seeing mlg extend this bracket on at least 1024. would be awesome. but otherwise it's a very nice move. Good job!
Prize: Top eight players will advance to play in the Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier on May 4.
If I'm understanding this correctly, this is a qualifier so you could play along with the invites 9th-40th from the Premier League qualifier(that was incredibly flawed) to then play through another qualifier? MLG and their love of invites never gets old.
This should be straight up, at the very least, be a qualifier for 16 spots into Challenger. Or do two qualifiers for eight spots each. Or four qualifiers for four spots each. Challenger League doesn't even start till May 13th, that is plenty of time. You should want the best of the best that are left for Challenger. Not players who finished 20th-40th in an extremely flawed tournament.
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
It's funny...hence the lol..i'm laughing at that part...i didn't say it was a big deal or that it mattered, i laughed at it
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
some Koreans... Hyun, Center, Jaedong, etc.. and I thought they needed 16 players for the Challenger division, not 8?
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
So let me make sure I have it right. In order to make it up to the Chinese players who got royally screwed over, as well as the players who lost to players who they shouldn't have played at all, they have given all of those players...
Invites for the Qualifier, for ANOTHER qualifier for a WEAKER league, with smaller prize pool and WCS points.
No. At the very MINIMUM they should be invited to the actual Challenger Qualifier, not this qualifier of a qualifier. I'm of the opinion some of those Chinese players should be seeded directly in Challenger league itself.
On April 25 2013 07:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote: There are 16 spots, this is for 8. What's the deal?
The winners of the open tournament don't go to Challenger. They go to another invite-only qualifier which also contains 9th-40th (might be wrong on spots) from the Premier qualifier. Top 16 from that get into Challenger.
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
There are a handful of players who are going to be playing in both tournaments, including HyuN, Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio.
They changed the date of the qualifier to May 4th. This is a different qualifier.
Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio all have invites to that closed qualifier on May 4th. [ed: Zenio might have missed, not gonna try to count out the bracket to figure that one out]
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
There are a handful of players who are going to be playing in both tournaments, including HyuN, Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio.
They changed the date of the qualifier to May 4th. This is a different qualifier.
Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio all have invites to that closed qualifier on May 4th.
HyuN is the only question mark at this point.
But didn't HyuN play in the GSL, barring him from WCS america completely?
he can play the Code A qualifiers but not Code S. that's why the controversy with him playing in the first qualifier started. since it was both Code A and Code S qualifier.
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
There are a handful of players who are going to be playing in both tournaments, including HyuN, Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio.
They changed the date of the qualifier to May 4th. This is a different qualifier.
Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio all have invites to that closed qualifier on May 4th.
HyuN is the only question mark at this point.
But didn't HyuN play in the GSL, barring him from WCS america completely?
The rules allow certain players to play in qualifiers to prepare their change next season. Hyun is allowed to play in the challenger qualifier (He played in the wrong qualifier last time so he got a DQ)
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
why are people still complaining about the dreamhack clash. which players that are participating in dreamhack want to qualify for wcs na challenger division? i don't get it. i don't see anyone. so how does it matter?
Also, all of those players probably finished high enough in the Premier qualifier that they got spots in the invite-only qualifier. Which means they don't need to compete in this open tournament, since the prizes are only seeds into the invite-only tournament.
Prize: Top eight players will advance to play in the Invite-Only Challenger League Qualifier on May 4.
If I'm understanding this correctly, this is a qualifier so you could play along with the invites 9th-40th from the Premier League qualifier(that was incredibly flawed) to then play through another qualifier? MLG and their love of invites never gets old.
This should be straight up, at the very least, be a qualifier for 16 spots into Challenger. Or do two qualifiers for eight spots each. Or four qualifiers for four spots each. Challenger League doesn't even start till May 13th, that is plenty of time. You should want the best of the best that are left for Challenger. Not players who finished 20th-40th in an extremely flawed tournament.
Pretty much this. Not surprised though anymore at MLG and their invitationals. like lol can't believe they are seriously doing an "open" qualifier just so you can play in the invite only qualifier rofl.
The OpenQualifier for Challenger is only a spot into the InviteOnly-Qualifier for Challenger.
No one knows how the hell they determine the players who get seeded already into the InviteOnly. If they base it on the PremierLeague Qualifier it's really bad, cause so many things happened and it's really questionable how legitimate the outcome of the Qualifier was. That u cant revoke the 8 Players who got into Premier now is understandable, cause it would damage these Players, who weren't at fault for the bad organistion, alot.
Better conclusion would've been that the OpenQualifier for Challenger grants the 16 places for Challenger. So run 2 or 4 Qualifier (512-1024 brackets and masters+) and give the 8 or 4 top finishers the spots.
Edit: They also could've added one more Round to the PremierLeague itself and run a second Qualfier for it, cause the first one was really really questionable. And then let more players drop from PremierLeague into Challenger League for the first Season and come back to the normal model of the Leagues after Season2/3.
i posted this question on reddit, but am I misunderstanding something?
In order to correct the wrong done to a lot of these players they are being given an invite into the OPEN qualifier where the top EIGHT can join the top 32 from the premiere qualifier for the ACTUAL code A qualifier where 16 go to NA Code A?
There are probably 10 players who have the most remote of remote chances at making Premier who don't already have invites to the Challenger qualifier. I don't get why this bracket needs to be huge. Challenger is not very big. The bottom feeders are NA grandmasters.
On April 25 2013 07:29 SiguR wrote: i posted this question on reddit, but am I misunderstanding something?
In order to correct the wrong done to a lot of these players they are being given an invite into the OPEN qualifier where the top EIGHT can join the top 32 from the premiere qualifier for the ACTUAL code A qualifier where 16 go to NA Code A?
How does this help them... at all?
it doesn't. I don't really understand it either to be perfectly honest.
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
No, they are allowed into the qualifier for the qualifier for challenger. Which is open to everyone anyway.
I guess if they hadn't done this the chinese wouldnt have even been allowed to try to qualify for challenger since it was based on the premiere league bracket. It would seem the blind are leading the blind at MLG. They clearly don't understand the extent of the injustice they put on the Chinese players.
On April 25 2013 07:29 SiguR wrote: i posted this question on reddit, but am I misunderstanding something?
In order to correct the wrong done to a lot of these players they are being given an invite into the OPEN qualifier where the top EIGHT can join the top 32 from the premiere qualifier for the ACTUAL code A qualifier where 16 go to NA Code A?
How does this help them... at all?
It doesn't. It just makes sure they don't miss out this time. It gives them absolutely nothing. Its hilarious they think this goes anyway to making up for what went down.
It would be like getting screwed in a $200 poker tournament by the admins and they give you a token for the $1 satellite which will satellite you into the $20 satellite for the $200 tournament as compensation.
These players should be seeded not just into the qualifier for the qualifier, not just the qualifier but into the challenger itself. Even then it doesn't really make up for it such is the difference between Premier and challenger.
TBH they should just expand the Premier to 64 players and hold a new open qualifier with 32 more spots. Seriously. Only thing that in any way shape or form actually makes up for this farce.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
No, they are allowed into the qualifier for the qualifier for challenger.
Which is open to everyone anyway. I guess if they hadn't done this the chinese wouldnt have even been allowed to try to qualify for challenger since it was based on the premiere league bracket.
Yeah it's still pretty bad. I think the best they should have done is adding a Round or x-amount of Players to the first PremierLeague Season and do a new Qualifier for these spots (or even better not 1 Qualifier, 2 or 4 like ESL did). And then just let more players drop down from Preamier to Challenger the first season, same maybe for Challenger to Code B, and return to normal League-System for Season2/3.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 07:41 iNcontroL wrote: I'm I screwed because I am hosting DH at the same time?
Never mind. I guess that was for the challenger league qualifier, not the qualifier for the qualifier. However, I think you made it into the top 40, so you get an invite into the May 4th challenger qualifier.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't some stupid outrage over a chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
On April 25 2013 07:41 iNcontroL wrote: I'm I screwed because I am hosting DH at the same time?
If you have to play the qualifier to the actual challenger league qualifier because you arent invited to it then i guess so. If xou are invited somehow then no.
Why dont you all just come over and play the wcs eu challenger league qualifier? Especially the chinese players who werent admitted to the na premier league qualifier. You can all come to eu we dont mind.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
On April 25 2013 07:41 iNcontroL wrote: I'm I screwed because I am hosting DH at the same time?
EDIT: Wait, now that I counted again, I think you are in the top40...though the fact you aren't even sure of it must mean MLG is working on that communication that has worked so well for them this event...lol
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
Why not give them feedback in a positive manner first, then if they don't fix the problems for next time, you start boycotting. They've admitted to fucking it up here, but they can't really do much to change what has happened and the plans that were setup already, so allowing these players a chance to qualify even into the challenger league is immensely helpful and a huge step forward to fixing the issues.
Now they ditched the double elimination...sigh, it was so close to being a good solution. At least everybody who got screwed in the first one gets a headstart. Still acceptable though. The only thing I'm still missing is more insight into what actually happened that the premier qualifier went so horribly.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
On April 25 2013 07:53 Timerly wrote: Now they ditched the double elimination...sigh, it was so close to being a good solution. At least everybody who got screwed in the first one gets a headstart. Still acceptable though. The only thing I'm still missing is more insight into what actually happened that the premier qualifier went so horribly.
There are a couple large threads already about it you can read.
Keep in mind for the most part we know who the top 40 are in the invite qualifier. They are the people who placed 9 through 48 in the Premier league qualifier. If you go and look at the brackets, it’s everyone who was eliminated from Round 8 of the Losers Bracket and up. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_America/Qualifier/Premier Now I'm sure there will be exceptions, like PhyiscsLee probably won't get that spot for obvious reasons. How they will handle Comm I don't know.
This other 512 man qualifier is to determine the other 8 spots in that if I am reading right, a second chance for those who didn't get in the first one or got knocked out due to circumstances MLG should have taken care of long before. At least that's my read on it.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
They did get away with it. Pitchforks and bad PR means nearly nothing in the SC2 scene because 1) There are very few major tournaments (think Oligopoly or arguably Monopoly for this WCS), and 2) The community has this "Support eSports!" mentality so that they continue to support products and tournaments even when the quality is subpar and/or poorly administrated. 3) The community has a notoriously short collective memory
While inviting the screwed over players from the Premier qualifier is a good step, MLG still really fucked up the Premier qualifiers. After a few days, the community will forget and MLG will have gotten away from this fiasco by a few invites to the Challenger division and a half-assed apology from Sundance
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
They could make the first Season of PremierLeague bigger and hold a new Qualifier for these spots. After this they could let more people drop down from Premier to Challenger so for Season2/3 it is at the amount of Players they wanted it to be.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.
This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
No I think we should shit on MLG and burn them to the ground instead of offering ideas like this. This injustice to the Chinese players calls for the death of MLG.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.
This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.
Imagine this
- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS - goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there - doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality - registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time - Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote: And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol
Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn
Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?
Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.
I also think events get grandfathered in if they had their date set prior to the current WCS.
I would think so tbh.
I mean otherwise Blizzard are like some crazy bunch who would try and force their will onto other people at the last moment when they had no real right to... Oh wait lol...
At the end of the day though, I'd much rather WCS America gets shunted to the side than Dreamhack, no offence to the Americas guys or WCS or whatever, but that's just the way it is for me and many people I'd imagine.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote: [quote]
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.
This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.
Imagine this
- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS - goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there - doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality - registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time - Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"
still fine?
Wow you just summed that up pretty well tbh.
I wouldn't blame MLG (although they made some pretty glaring mistakes) as much for this as whoever decided this stupid new WCS format. It's funny because there was a poll about it asking people if they thought it was good and most people voted that it was brilliant... It was somewhere on TL. I voted that I didn't like it much and seems I'm happier with my vote than I bet a lot of people are now...
I find it very odd how quickly the pitchforks came out after MLG for the way the last event unfolded. Such negative reactions from fans might prompt a response from the organizers, but certainly the negativity can't be good for the scene as a whole.
I really respect the way the Chinese handled themselves here. This is a good example for all the reactionary, pitchfork wielding community members. Mistakes were made, and instead of being counterproductive by scolding MLG and Sundance in particular like a child, they approached the situation by communicating how it affected them and wanted to work to a solution both parties could live with.
I really enjoy MLG events, and we need to give our leagues more credit and understanding. These guys are not evil or incompetent - they are human and want to do the best job possible with available resources. I personally love the job they do and their desire to give those who got the short end of the stick a second chance shows they too want the best league possible.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote: [quote]
Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!
Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.
What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.
They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.
You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.
I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
ideas from the top of my head
- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it - give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it - that what Semmel said
There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.
This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.
Imagine this
- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS - goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there - doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality - registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time - Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"
still fine?
So the mentioned players don't have a region? In that case did they sign up on time? If they didn't, It is there mistake. No issue with it.
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote: MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.
You should make that your sig. In fact everyone should.
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
On April 25 2013 11:32 digmouse wrote: Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
Haha sounds like a good idea. Even though he might already knw it, doesnt hurt to be more safe haha
On April 25 2013 11:32 digmouse wrote: Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
You must not be familiar with how things get fixed. People complained about gold players being in the Premier league qulaifiers, so MLG went ahead and made it so that doesn't happen by making it so you had to be in masters or grand masters.
On April 25 2013 11:32 digmouse wrote: Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
You must not be familiar with how things get fixed. People complained about gold players being in the Premier league qulaifiers, so MLG went ahead and made it so that doesn't happen by making it so you had to be in masters or grand masters.
I'm more than familiar with the "fix". It's something that shouldn't happen in the first place.
On April 25 2013 11:32 digmouse wrote: Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
Haha sounds like a good idea. Even though he might already knw it, doesnt hurt to be more safe haha
On April 25 2013 11:32 digmouse wrote: Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?
Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.
He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.
This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
You must not be familiar with how things get fixed. People complained about gold players being in the Premier league qulaifiers, so MLG went ahead and made it so that doesn't happen by making it so you had to be in masters or grand masters.
I'm more than familiar with the "fix". It's something that shouldn't happen in the first place.
nice decision，MLG think degree of match difficulty is challenger qualifier ＞premier qualifier but in benefit premier league qualifier ＞＞ challenger league qualifier
may MLG think all players in WCS NA league should be invited and known clearly by themselves
so there will be a 512 person, single-elim bracket[1] of M and GM rank.
the final 8 of this bracket[1] will move on to a different bracket[2] (a winner's bracket of sorts) that ALSO contains some set number of players that will get invites into this bracket[2] (therefore skipping bracket[1]).
the quantity and identities of these invitees is still unknown to the public as of now (~1day-12hours till registration closes).
On April 25 2013 17:47 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: someone tell me if im right.
so there will be a 512 person, single-elim bracket[1] of M and GM rank.
the final 8 of this bracket[1] will move on to a different bracket[2] (a winner's bracket of sorts) that ALSO contains some set number of players that will get invites into this bracket[2] (therefore skipping bracket[1]).
the quantity and identities of these invitees is still unknown to the public as of now (~1day-12hours till registration closes).
yup, sums it up pretty good. even the invitees don't know if they are invited, yet.
On April 25 2013 17:32 KawaiiRice wrote: did I qualify for the invite challenger league qualifier...? the bracket is too confusing for me to tell
You seem to be around 25th place, so in theory you should have qualified for the invite. I'd message anyone and everyone at MLG to verify. Last thing you want is to find out you didn't and then registrations for the qualifier to the qualifier be closed/full. Good luck.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
I am completely lost on who gets into which bracket. As a spectator I can just wait till I can read it on LQP. I just wonder if all players know what to do and which group they are in.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
Because invites let MLG make sure the players qualifying are people you might want to watch. Who wants to have talented, under-respected players like Dayshi/Bunny qualify into premier league when we could make sure every qualifier ever has 8 feature matches with IdrA in it?
To tell the truth here though, until "under-respected" players manage to break out of the "average nice guy, mid-tier progamer" mould, I think I'd rather watch idra talk shit. At least he's interesting.
Can MLG do a CLEAR LIST of all players invited in final qualifier for Challenger division ? How can they be so bad at communication, organisation, and decision.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
On April 25 2013 23:28 Chloroplaste wrote: Can MLG do a CLEAR LIST of all players invited in final qualifier for Challenger division ? How can they be so bad at communication, organisation, and decision.
But, then we won't have as much MLG Hype Train as they slowly list out their invites!
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
I think it is only going to be for this first WCS to get the ball rolling. It's not ideal, but once they have a set group of people in both the premier and challenge's divisions, they can then run the open qualifiers for challengers going forward.
On April 26 2013 00:41 digmouse wrote: MacSed's MLG account was banned.
Have you checked with MLG as to why that happened? It could just be some sort of error with their system, as it would be really weird if they are handing out bans with no qualifier running.
On April 26 2013 00:41 digmouse wrote: MacSed's MLG account was banned.
Have you checked with MLG as to why that happened? It could just be some sort of error with their system, as it would be really weird if they are handing out bans with no qualifier running.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
No, that is who the invited players were. If you're talking about the qualifier happening this weekend, they reserved spots for the Chinese players and those who were beaten by people who were disqualified. As for Taeja, I don't think he's allowed to play in it anyways since hes in the Korean Premier league. Taeja may not want to give up his Code S spot, or have to fly/move the US to play the offline matches every week, which is what blizzard has eluded to with season 2.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
No, that is who the invited players were. If you're talking about the qualifier happening this weekend, they reserved spots for the Chinese players and those who were beaten by people who were disqualified. As for Taeja, I don't think he's allowed to play in it anyways since hes in the Korean Premier league.
he is allowed to play Code A qualifiers, same as Hyun.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
No, that is who the invited players were. If you're talking about the qualifier happening this weekend, they reserved spots for the Chinese players and those who were beaten by people who were disqualified. As for Taeja, I don't think he's allowed to play in it anyways since hes in the Korean Premier league.
he is allowed to play Code A qualifiers, same as Hyun.
Correct, and if Taeja participates in the qualifiers, he will automatically forfeit his code S spot (next season) whether he makes ro8 or not
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
I think it is only going to be for this first WCS to get the ball rolling. It's not ideal, but once they have a set group of people in both the premier and challenge's divisions, they can then run the open qualifiers for challengers going forward.
I doubt it. With MLG running it and how they love their invite only things I would be absolutely shocked if they stopped doing invite qualifiers.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
I think it is only going to be for this first WCS to get the ball rolling. It's not ideal, but once they have a set group of people in both the premier and challenge's divisions, they can then run the open qualifiers for challengers going forward.
I doubt it. With MLG running it and how they love their invite only things I would be absolutely shocked if they stopped doing invite qualifiers.
MLG should use the word "Qualifiers from previous tournament" instead of "Invite". People confused about invites are being grant without making any effort to qualify.
How are MLG regulating the restriction to M/GM players for this qualifier? Can people below just not sign up or will they be checking each profile or something?
On April 26 2013 06:39 PickleWeasel wrote: How are MLG regulating the restriction to M/GM players for this qualifier? Can people below just not sign up or will they be checking each profile or something?
They'll probably check, but they haven't said afaik.
Usually the MLG events are the absolute highlights. The best tournaments in SC2 besides GSL. I was expecting the ESL to fail hard, but WCS EU is REALLY awesome so far.
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
No, that is who the invited players were. If you're talking about the qualifier happening this weekend, they reserved spots for the Chinese players and those who were beaten by people who were disqualified. As for Taeja, I don't think he's allowed to play in it anyways since hes in the Korean Premier league.
he is allowed to play Code A qualifiers, same as Hyun.
Correct, and if Taeja participates in the qualifiers, he will automatically forfeit his code S spot (next season) whether he makes ro8 or not
But there is no 2nd season of Code S until after OSL.
So he's going to be allowed to play in this season's Code S (technically season 2, or WCS KR season 1) and NA Challenger League Season 1 simultaneously?
On April 25 2013 18:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I never understood why the NA community has so many compulsions towards invites, like an invite only qualifier... <.<
The invites are the players who placed 9th-40th in the first qualifier, so invites might not have been the most appropriate word.
So, Taeja is screwed then? DreamHack and WCS NA Challenger Qualifier Qualifier Tournament same time, awesome?
Invites are more than just 9th to 40th.
No, that is who the invited players were. If you're talking about the qualifier happening this weekend, they reserved spots for the Chinese players and those who were beaten by people who were disqualified. As for Taeja, I don't think he's allowed to play in it anyways since hes in the Korean Premier league.
he is allowed to play Code A qualifiers, same as Hyun.
Correct, and if Taeja participates in the qualifiers, he will automatically forfeit his code S spot (next season) whether he makes ro8 or not
But there is no 2nd season of Code S until after OSL.
So he's going to be allowed to play in this season's Code S (technically season 2, or WCS KR season 1) and NA Challenger League Season 1 simultaneously?
Yes. Hes just not allowed to play in code s in korea and na in the same season.
EPT
my problem is still the 512 player line. I mean it's nice to have only masters and gm participation plus the chinese, but according to sc2 ranks, there are 11.330 masters player on na, and there are only 512 spots and it should be an "open qualifier". I mean its clear that not all 11,330 want to participate or have a shot on qualifying but i would like seeing mlg extend this bracket on at least 1024. would be awesome. but otherwise it's a very nice move. Good job!
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