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On April 22 2013 08:40 jubil wrote:
Should Comm have gotten a spot to compete in the first place? Yes, he's an established progamer.
However,
Should Diamond-leaguers et al. have an opportunity to play in this tournament? Yes, that's how new blood rises up, which is what the entire point of qualifiers is.
Should MLG disqualify a contestant that uses another players ID if the original player has already played games in this tournament? Yes, and it shouldn't matter who it was that did it.
Being the inaugural season of WCS America, no, new blood. Theoretically, new blood should rise up from Challenger League (which, unfortunately, for S1 takes its participants from the topX of the premier league qualifier).
Unfortunate for any professional players as well as "unfair"
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Disgusting. Almost like MLG is trying to cause a US-China incident.
Disapointed -_-
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Do people actually believe a "us-china" incident will occur because of this? Drama queens, jesus
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On April 22 2013 08:40 jubil wrote:
Should Comm have gotten a spot to compete in the first place? Yes, he's an established progamer.
However,
Should Diamond-leaguers et al. have an opportunity to play in this tournament? Yes, that's how new blood rises up, which is what the entire point of qualifiers is.
Should MLG disqualify a contestant that uses another players ID if the original player has already played games in this tournament? Yes, and it shouldn't matter who it was that did it.
I find this extremely funny...
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its crazy how well mannered the chinese guys have been over this ridiculous incident as well. MLG screwed them over a dozen times and they're just like "hmm.." about it. mad respect to these guys for handling this american incompetence so well.
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I like how the same thing happened in EU, but there the players handled it right by going to the admins. MLG did everything right here too. When someone wrote in the LR that someone gave his account to someone else, I was just waiting for the DQ to happen.
Way better then one player complaining at the offlines and MLG having no other choice then to DQ comm there, because what he did was against the rules.
Only thing that was horrible is that someone told the Chinese players they would have guaranteed spots in the qualifier.
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Sigh, this is ridiculous. Feel so bad for Comm and the other Chinese players. 
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And somehow MLG and ESL want people to take eSports seriously. These companies are a joke.
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Is this the only way that AM can beat Chinese pro player? Only a joke. But the thing I want to say is that it's totally UNFAIR!!!
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On April 22 2013 08:56 chullore wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:40 jubil wrote:
Should Comm have gotten a spot to compete in the first place? Yes, he's an established progamer.
However,
Should Diamond-leaguers et al. have an opportunity to play in this tournament? Yes, that's how new blood rises up, which is what the entire point of qualifiers is.
Should MLG disqualify a contestant that uses another players ID if the original player has already played games in this tournament? Yes, and it shouldn't matter who it was that did it. Being the inaugural season of WCS America, no, new blood. Theoretically, new blood should rise up from Challenger League (which, unfortunately, for S1 takes its participants from the topX of the premier league qualifier). Unfortunate for any professional players as well as "unfair"
If blizzard wanted all 'new blood' they would never have made the premier leagues.
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well if mlg never got informed, the dq is righly deserved. i think thinks would have been different, if mlg was informed.
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Has WCS helped the scene at all? SC2 could potentially lose NASL because they can't clash with WCS and it's difficult to not do that with a full league. Chinese players are completely fucked over. SEA players need to play at ungodly hours to qualify for the only server with a tolerable ping. Koreans aren't happy with GSL changes. Americans aren't happy with the Korean invasion. The SC2 scene looks like more of a joke being represented by MLG and ESL (ESL are much better than MLG though). In what way has WCS benefited the scene?
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On April 22 2013 09:10 fearpLug wrote:
well if mlg never got informed, the dq is righly deserved. i think thinks would have been different, if mlg was informed.
Isn't it their job to actually be informed about the things happening in their own tournament ? I mean everybody knows that Fruitbasket is comm since yesterday.
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This is absolutely ridiculous, Blizzard needs to come in and set rules across the board so we don't have so many mistakes.
I said before, i'll say it again, should have just had 2 seasons this year if you didn't have anything planned or even a clue about ANY of the details. So sad that our big tournament is plagued with so much bs.
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I had heard, I don't remember where, that Fruitsbasket had actually played the first round before giving the account to Comm, but I see now that I was wrong. That still doesn't make it not a smurf, which is against MLG rules. I totally agree that's it's a real shitty situation, I'd love to see Comm compete with the best of NA.
Concerning how lower league players got in the bracket...the point I want to make is that it's not right to say that, given the limited number of slots, MLG should have kicked out some players in favor of others. Instead we should say that there should have been slots for everyone. For one, you can make a bit of a slippery slope argument about where to draw the line - ie. if "only people who actually have a shot at winning should have gotten slots", should we limit it to NA masters? Sounds reasonable. But clearly a low master wouldn't win a tournament full of high masters. What about only NA high masters, or NA GM, or NA high GM, or given the number of Koreans participating, Korean GM? On the other hand, lower level players can definitely beat higher level players if they get lucky with BO cheeses, so while it's an extremely low chance, it's not 100% impossible for a lower level player to actually win. Finally, since it is an open tournament, participating is a good way for lower level or unknown players who don't have teams and don't get those slots at invite-only events to get tournament experience.
Basically, MLG had a shitty setup which unfairly shafted Comm. However, by MLG's own rules they were right to dq him. There's no perfect solution at this point in time, and the best solution would have been to include Chinese progamers from the start. Personally I think there should have been a whole entire WCS China alongside the other three.
edit: and if MLG told him he had a slot but he didn't, it's just incredible how shitty the setup was
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On April 22 2013 09:10 fearpLug wrote:
well if mlg never got informed, the dq is righly deserved. i think thinks would have been different, if mlg was informed.
There was a similar situation (not exact) with shuttle and ESL, but he got to play.
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Is this for real? Did they really disqualify him? Wow... this MLG/WCS stuff just keeps getting worse and worse
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what the hell MLG?
your regisration rule get our China player IG.Jim and IG.XY down
and then you use another rediculous rule eliminate Comm?
your discrimination rule sacks!
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408976 LOOK at my thread here, MLG is using their rules differently, Yesterday, official stream said TOP and crank match will be tomorrow. Then, crank tweet he already won, after 10mins, MLG website update. MLG rules said your can't share your result.
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