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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
MAY RESULT, not WILL RESULT This was all due to an admin's poor decision. These rules were clearly implemented to stop people from doing undesired behaviour. For instance, if a pro-player who is already invited into Premier league, plays under a smurf account to get a 2nd slot, or to get a slot for their friend/teammate. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:29 MstrJinbo wrote: Only if another player was disqualified for leaking results. To my knowledge nobody was disqualified for leaks, so the rule was enforced(or I guess in this case not enforced equally). Comparing that rule to impersonating another user, which is what comm got disqualified for, doesnt hold up. one of the 6 or so points I express in the top talk about that i can understand why you dont like that connection, but this same exact rule was handled different for the EU qualifiers i dont see why the differrent qualifers need all have different rules, they are the same tournament in the end and the reason he is bringing up crank and the other players is not so much to dq any of them, but to show how MLG has ignored every single rule breaker but Comm, including known hackers edit: @ up above, yea weve pointed that one out alot as well as the Shuttle comparison, the people against still aren't budging for some reason, i dont see a reason why so many people are actively against reinstating him to be honest, no harm at all in doing whats right here | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:56 rrwrwx wrote: I don't understand the anger. He was playing on someone else's account with a different registed username. Shouldn't he be disqualified for that? No he wasn't playing under someone's account with the intention of smurfing and pretending to be someone else. He was just borrowing someone's account cause his account didn't get in. No different than when pro gamers borrow NA accounts to play in team leagues or online tourneys. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:29 MstrJinbo wrote: Only if another player was disqualified for leaking results. To my knowledge nobody was disqualified for leaks, so the rule was enforced(or I guess in this case not enforced equally). Comparing that rule to impersonating another user, which is what comm got disqualified for, doesnt hold up. Both rules have the same punishment of MAY result in DQ. if you accept that MLG can chose to ignore one rule, you've accepted that they could have ignored the other rule and did not have to DQ comm. Thus they deserve criticism for this poor decision and can not hide behind just following the rules to the letter. | ||
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HappyTimePANDA
United States167 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:39 Canucklehead wrote: No he wasn't playing under someone's account with the intention of smurfing and pretending to be someone else. He was just borrowing someone's account cause his account didn't get in. No different than when pro gamers borrow NA accounts to play in team leagues or online tourneys. Comm used the other players registered MLG account, which is expressly against the rules. If it was just the SC2 account I don't think he would have been disqualified. Both rules have the same punishment of MAY result in DQ. if you accept that MLG can chose to ignore one rule, you've accepted that they could have ignored the other rule and did not have to DQ comm. Thus they deserve criticism for this poor decision and can not hide behind just following the rules to the letter. Rules don't work that way. Of course I accept the could have ignored the other rule. But they didn't, and it's their call. | ||
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vidium
Romania222 Posts
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:46 MstrJinbo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 04:39 Canucklehead wrote: No he wasn't playing under someone's account with the intention of smurfing and pretending to be someone else. He was just borrowing someone's account cause his account didn't get in. No different than when pro gamers borrow NA accounts to play in team leagues or online tourneys. Comm used the other players registered MLG account, which is expressly against the rules. If it was just the SC2 account I don't think he would have been disqualified. According to this thread, Comm was given the okay to use the other account from the MLG Admins. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:46 MstrJinbo wrote: Comm used the other players registered MLG account, which is expressly against the rules. If it was just the SC2 account I don't think he would have been disqualified. That's not a big deal to me. Someone let shuttle use their account when he got locked out. I see the situations as being the same, except ESL isn't inept and didn't dq shuttle on a stupid technicality. The smurfing rule is put in place to prevent deception and things like MKP playing on barbie's account and then getting her qualified for some event. Comm was just borrowing someone's account, but playing as himself. | ||
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Aevera
United States105 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:51 TeslasPigeon wrote: According to this thread, Comm was given the okay to use the other account from the MLG Admins. What post was that? I must have missed it. | ||
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BlooDAnGeL
Macedonia136 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:46 MstrJinbo wrote: Comm used the other players registered MLG account, which is expressly against the rules. If it was just the SC2 account I don't think he would have been disqualified. What is the difference between just SC2 account and MLG account? Why is one worthy of DQ and the other is not, keeping in mind that there were limited qualifier spots and this is the china WCS champion in question? | ||
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:54 Aevera wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 04:51 TeslasPigeon wrote: According to this thread, Comm was given the okay to use the other account from the MLG Admins. What post was that? I must have missed it. I can't find it but it was an image of a conversation I assumed comm had with an MLG admin, I'll try to look again. EDIT: Here it is: ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg) | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:31 Jackle wrote: It still baffles me how people are saying "Rules are rules", clearly under the rules it states the "6. Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 may result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament." MAY RESULT, not WILL RESULT This was all due to an admin's poor decision. These rules were clearly implemented to stop people from doing undesired behaviour. For instance, if a pro-player who is already invited into Premier league, plays under a smurf account to get a 2nd slot, or to get a slot for their friend/teammate. You mean like the way quantichyun (if I am remembering the correct player) did (thus disqualifying himself)? On April 23 2013 04:50 vidium wrote: Map hackers, using someone else's account, broadcasting replays, nice production there MLG... This too. If I was allowed to cast iG.Macsed's games in Chinese, then there would be a lot of people eager to watch this happening live. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:59 TeslasPigeon wrote: I can't find it but it was an image of a conversation I assumed comm had with an MLG admin, I'll try to look again. You are probably thinking of the admin telling comm that he was on the bracket when he actually wasn't. The screwup that caused him to use the fruitbasket account in the first place. There is no evidence that admins allowed him to use the other guys account though. | ||
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:03 MstrJinbo wrote: You are probably thinking of the admin telling comm that he was on the bracket when he actually wasn't. The screwup that caused him to use the fruitbasket account in the first place. There is no evidence that admins allowed him to use the other guys account though. Ah okay, it's hard to know what actually happened when you don't have an official organizations like Blizzard or MLG putting out any information. Not to mention BBS is a horrible way to look for information on threads such as these that can reach over 100 pages and have only 5 useful posts. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
blaming him for their system sucking... wp very classy | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:06 TeslasPigeon wrote: Ah okay, it's hard to know what actually happened when you don't have an official organizations like Blizzard or MLG putting out any information. Not to mention BBS is a horrible way to look for information on threads such as these that can reach over 100 pages and have only 5 useful posts. Comm is no longer a member of iG... I don't think he had anything to do with iG this time around to be quite honest. Last team he was on was HuaYi Spider (anyone and their mother could join HuaYi Spider as an "open member", but the ones who perform well consistently are the ones who get paid), and he left them in January of this year. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:46 HappyTimePANDA wrote: One more thing that shows what a clusterfuck WCS is. Blizzard jumped the gun and should have laid out the plans better before implementation. Why NA got less slots than EU is beyond me and I don't see what the problem is since the guy gave his spot to comm well if you disregard all the koreans who went over to NA to pick up all the free spots I can understand their reasoning for giving EU more slots very well... | ||
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