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i somewhat agree, and sorry, that means the same to me so i dont see how i 'put words' into your mouth
the community has the power to get things changed, weve seen in the past in other situations, and this is arguably one of the first times its for something thats actually right, i see no reason we shouldn't make the biggest deal out of it possible (if TL allows us), much better than some of the other witchhunts weve had, and i generally hate witchhunts
i could get it if there wasn't precedence for this same exact act in EU, the rules should be the same across the qualifiers, its all the same tourney in the end, and NA has just been handled bad in every area you could critique. If they were hardasses and DQ'd ever single rule breaker id be pissed but not as much so as this 'we fucked comm while so many others are safe' attitude. even sundances tweets are passive aggressive and completely unprofessional
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On April 23 2013 03:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Wasnt it the 3rd EU qualifier that Shuttle was let in by someone giving up his spot? DQing Shuttle from the 3rd qualifier wouldnt really do anything considering he qualified in the 4th so idk why that's even being brought up
If Shuttle would have qualified, i dont think they wouldve DQed him after. Also Comm wasnt qualified yet, he could have also lost and the situation would have been the same like the one with Shuttle.
Only thing is WCS EU is ESL and WCS NA is MLG, that they have different rules and very bad communication betweeen the organisation to how run WCS is just sad but thats how it ist.
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On April 23 2013 03:56 rrwrwx wrote:
I don't understand the anger. He was playing on someone else's account with a different registed username. Shouldn't he be disqualified for that?
no because as admin you dont put noobs in your bracket and ignore the WCS champs from last year china ... and then when the noob give the wcs champ his place you not fucking DQ him for fixing the problems themselv YOU made before ...
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On April 23 2013 03:56 rrwrwx wrote:
I don't understand the anger. He was playing on someone else's account with a different registed username. Shouldn't he be disqualified for that?
i think the anger is from him not getting in on his own account. i mean being wcs champ of china should count for something right? but alas, MLG is proooooooooooo
also has MLG made any sort of statement with regards to all the bullshit from this qualifier yet? sundance only has made a bunch of useless tweets like thing will get better and shit and no real statement on what went wrong.
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On April 23 2013 03:53 semmeL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:50 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 03:43 ohampatu wrote:On April 23 2013 03:41 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 03:38 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 03:37 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 03:35 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 03:27 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 02:57 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 02:44 Spektor wrote:
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I think blizzard can check that, but I don't understand how people can blame MLG, they followed their rules. Everyone just loves to hate, 4-5 hate threads. what part of MAY do you not understand in the rules? MAY means it's up to the admin to decide... Yeah, 4-5 hate threads help. Also, my point was stop blaming mlg because of a MAY. Decision was made, nothing can be done. Move on. If you want to blame anyone, blame Blizzard for not having all online quals for Korea, then he could've played there and on his time. It should go by continent, but Korea, for some reason is it's own. you are wrong. i won't blame blizzard although they made BIG mistakes with the WCS general rules. but this is a qualifier run by MLG. only MLG. and so only MLG fucked up. it is MLGs admins and i don't think anybody there is competent. let alone the mighty sundance that has no clue whats going on in his organisation. if any competent admin would have seen comms situation he would not have been disqualified. he made it so far through the bracket that it invalidates the whole qualifier and his story is far from unbelievable. there is zero reason to dq him before his final game. MLG admins fucked and they just dq him to not lose face and not take the blame for themselves. disgusting. What was I wrong about? blaming blizzard instead of MLG. pretty basic. I said CAN not blame them. I'm just saying, MLG knows their mistakes and will most likely fix it in three months for the next one, having 4-5 threads in general threads in hate is redundant, especially when every poster is saying the same thing, but when time comes for people to watch the premier event, people will still watch. didn't you also say we have to deal with their decision? not untill i hear a good reason why Comm is DQ'd yet Shuttle isn't. And thats not even getting started on the EG and Axiom players who leaked results. Comm and Shuttle did the exact same thing, so i dont think we need to deal with the decision Wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I never said deal, I said move on. Not the same. This will be my last post in this thread because it's redundant and I will just be spewing more redundants. I am not defending MLG, nor Blizzard. What I am suggesting is that people move on. The decision has been made already, and there is nothing forum posters can do to change a decision that was already made and having 4-5 hate threads on the same set of topics is redundant. Sure we can do something about it, just stop watching anything MLG related until WCS NA is shifted to another organisation to handle it and stop supporting MLG with subscribing. Only way they will do something is if their viewership or membership numbers drop.
yep we can stop watch mlg, we can cancel gold memberships (which i will do) and stuff like that ... i dont give money to SUCH guys if its to the rules, i dont give money to guys with so bad rules -,-
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On April 23 2013 03:58 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:56 rrwrwx wrote:
I don't understand the anger. He was playing on someone else's account with a different registed username. Shouldn't he be disqualified for that? Then DQ crank for leaking the results. The rule states both playing under another account and leaking results "MAY" lead to a DQ.
And/or DQ him right after they know who "Fruitbasket" is. The players know who he is, the casters know, the admins know, and you did nothing but DQ him at the last very moment?
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On April 23 2013 03:59 semmeL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Wasnt it the 3rd EU qualifier that Shuttle was let in by someone giving up his spot? DQing Shuttle from the 3rd qualifier wouldnt really do anything considering he qualified in the 4th so idk why that's even being brought up If Shuttle would have qualified, i dont think they wouldve DQed him after. Also Comm wasnt qualified yet, he could have also lost and the situation would have been the same like the one with Shuttle. Only thing is WCS EU is ESL and WCS NA is MLG, that they have different rules and very bad communication betweeen the organisation to how run WCS is just sad but thats how it ist.
it's not the rules it's the admins.
ESL admins: good decision based on situation.
MLG admins: ignore situation to not lose face and DQ. blame rules.
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On April 23 2013 04:02 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:58 digmouse wrote:On April 23 2013 03:56 rrwrwx wrote:
I don't understand the anger. He was playing on someone else's account with a different registed username. Shouldn't he be disqualified for that? Then DQ crank for leaking the results. The rule states both playing under another account and leaking results "MAY" lead to a DQ. And/or DQ him right after they know who "Fruitbasket" is. The players know who he is, the casters know, the admins know, and you did nothing but DQ him at the last very moment?
Haha maybe they were hoping he'd get eliminated before then  Then things maybe wouldn't have turned out this messy..
Or maybe they were just too busy haha. Read somewhere it was just two admins or something..
*shrugs*
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This is such a joke. I haven't watched a single match of WCS because it seems so haphazardly put together. I really hope they scrap this shit.
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On April 23 2013 04:03 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:59 semmeL wrote:On April 23 2013 03:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Wasnt it the 3rd EU qualifier that Shuttle was let in by someone giving up his spot? DQing Shuttle from the 3rd qualifier wouldnt really do anything considering he qualified in the 4th so idk why that's even being brought up If Shuttle would have qualified, i dont think they wouldve DQed him after. Also Comm wasnt qualified yet, he could have also lost and the situation would have been the same like the one with Shuttle. Only thing is WCS EU is ESL and WCS NA is MLG, that they have different rules and very bad communication betweeen the organisation to how run WCS is just sad but thats how it ist. it's not the rules it's the admins. ESL admins: good decision based on situation. MLG admins: ignore situation to not lose face and DQ. blame rules.
Yeah ur right, with rules i meant how the people in charge handled to follow the rules they made. Big problem is that they just didnt had enough personal to handle this qualifier and didnt ask for help (i think they could have asked ESL what to expect, they ran online things for long time and WCS EU Qualifier was few days before so u couldve asked). Same problem lies with it, cause they didnt seem to know the top finishers from last years WCS-China or Australia and so on.
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On April 23 2013 03:38 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:37 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 03:35 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 03:27 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 02:57 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 02:44 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 02:39 KingPaddy wrote:On April 23 2013 02:34 Sein wrote:
According to TB, Fruitsbasket did play his first match and beat some player before Comm hopped on to play the rest of the tournament? Can someone verify this? I don't think so. At least Comm himself said, that he didn't and I haven't seen any evidence claiming otherwise. I think blizzard can check that, but I don't understand how people can blame MLG, they followed their rules. Everyone just loves to hate, 4-5 hate threads. what part of MAY do you not understand in the rules? MAY means it's up to the admin to decide... Yeah, 4-5 hate threads help. Also, my point was stop blaming mlg because of a MAY. Decision was made, nothing can be done. Move on. If you want to blame anyone, blame Blizzard for not having all online quals for Korea, then he could've played there and on his time. It should go by continent, but Korea, for some reason is it's own. you are wrong. i won't blame blizzard although they made BIG mistakes with the WCS general rules. but this is a qualifier run by MLG. only MLG. and so only MLG fucked up. it is MLGs admins and i don't think anybody there is competent. let alone the mighty sundance that has no clue whats going on in his organisation. if any competent admin would have seen comms situation he would not have been disqualified. he made it so far through the bracket that it invalidates the whole qualifier and his story is far from unbelievable. there is zero reason to dq him before his final game. MLG admins fucked and they just dq him to not lose face and not take the blame for themselves. disgusting. What was I wrong about? blaming blizzard instead of MLG. pretty basic.
Blizzard's game.
Blizzard's WCS framework.
Blizzard selected MLG.
Blizzard's giant PR push featuring everyone's favourite billionaire game-designer.
Blizzard's overly rushed 2013 WCS.
The entire WCS has come off as rushed. Problems with ESL, MLG and the KOrean league has a prize pool change mid-event.
The common thread in all of this is Blizzard.
They chose ESL, They chose MLG, They chose and funded Gretech/Gom etc.
For an example of how you properly support your eSports scene... please examine Riots efforts.
Headed up by a former Blizzard employee.
The match schedule page: http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split1/matches
The stats page: http://na.lolesports.com/stats
The team page: http://na.lolesports.com/teams
Home page for NA: http://na.lolesports.com/
SC2 is a great game and Blizzard deserves credit for making it.
However, Blizzard's SC2 eSports infrastructure and support is not very good relative to the competition.
Of course, Blizzard is not ethically bound to support the eSports scene in any way. But, if the eSports infrastructure is bad it will impact on future sales of games in the Starcraft franchise.
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Alot of people coming into this thread late are missing alot of the things weve discussed.
TLDR of defense:
1. He signed up, and checked in. Noticed he wasn't in bracket, asked admin if he was checked in, received 'your checked in and good to go' as a reply.
2. Late, he linked the bracket, asked again if he was ok, or if the bracket wasn't finished. The reply was that the bracket was not finalized yet.
(screenshot of these 2 events somewhere)
3. He finally found out he was l ied to. His friend had gotten lucky and was in the bracket. Stated he could have his slot.
4. The Casters, Almost every opponent, the Admin, and producion staff knew who he was for like 5 hours of gaming up to his final match in LB i believe before DQ'ing him.
5. Multiple other players in NA have broken rules: Miya, Crank, Demuslim, Incontrol...none punished
He played every match, and i believe played them under his own account ingame, only his bracket name was wrong if im not mistaken.
And as stated, the EU qualifiers let Shuttle play in this exact same situation, and they are the same tournament.
edit: number 5 and quick question
has sundance said anything yet?
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On April 23 2013 04:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:38 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 03:37 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 03:35 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 03:27 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 02:57 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 02:44 Spektor wrote:On April 23 2013 02:39 KingPaddy wrote:On April 23 2013 02:34 Sein wrote:
According to TB, Fruitsbasket did play his first match and beat some player before Comm hopped on to play the rest of the tournament? Can someone verify this? I don't think so. At least Comm himself said, that he didn't and I haven't seen any evidence claiming otherwise. I think blizzard can check that, but I don't understand how people can blame MLG, they followed their rules. Everyone just loves to hate, 4-5 hate threads. what part of MAY do you not understand in the rules? MAY means it's up to the admin to decide... Yeah, 4-5 hate threads help. Also, my point was stop blaming mlg because of a MAY. Decision was made, nothing can be done. Move on. If you want to blame anyone, blame Blizzard for not having all online quals for Korea, then he could've played there and on his time. It should go by continent, but Korea, for some reason is it's own. you are wrong. i won't blame blizzard although they made BIG mistakes with the WCS general rules. but this is a qualifier run by MLG. only MLG. and so only MLG fucked up. it is MLGs admins and i don't think anybody there is competent. let alone the mighty sundance that has no clue whats going on in his organisation. if any competent admin would have seen comms situation he would not have been disqualified. he made it so far through the bracket that it invalidates the whole qualifier and his story is far from unbelievable. there is zero reason to dq him before his final game. MLG admins fucked and they just dq him to not lose face and not take the blame for themselves. disgusting. What was I wrong about? blaming blizzard instead of MLG. pretty basic. Blizzard's game. Blizzard's WCS framework. Blizzard selected MLG. Blizzard's giant PR push featuring everyone's favourite billionaire game-designer. Blizzard's overly rushed 2013 WCS. The entire WCS has come off as rushed. Problems with ESL, MLG and the KOrean league has a prize pool change mid-event. The common thread in all of this is Blizzard. They chose ESL, They chose MLG, They chose and funded Gretech/Gom etc. For an example of how you properly support your eSports scene... please examine Riots efforts. Headed up by a former Blizzard employee. The match schedule page: http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split1/matchesThe stats page: http://na.lolesports.com/statsThe team page: http://na.lolesports.com/teamsHome page for NA: http://na.lolesports.com/SC2 is a great game and Blizzard deserves credit for making it. However, Blizzard's SC2 eSports infrastructure and support is not very good relative to the competition.
i agree with blizzards fault of WCS as a whole.
but the only thing you can blame blizzard for in THIS qualifier is giving it to MLG. rest was all MLGs fault.
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On April 23 2013 04:07 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of people coming into this thread late are missing alot of the things weve discussed.
TLDR of defense:
1. He signed up, and checked in. Noticed he wasn't in bracket, asked admin if he was checked in, received 'your checked in and good to go' as a reply.
2. Late, he linked the bracket, asked again if he was ok, or if the bracket wasn't finished. The reply was that the bracket was not finalized yet.
(screenshot of these 2 events somewhere)
3. He finally found out he was l ied to. His friend had gotten lucky and was in the bracket. Stated he could have his slot.
4. The Casters, Almost every opponent, the Admin, and producion staff knew who he was for like 5 hours of gaming up to his final match in LB i believe before DQ'ing him.
5. Multiple other players in NA have broken rules: Miya, Crank, Demuslim, Incontrol...none punished
He played every match, and i believe played them under his own account ingame, only his bracket name was wrong if im not mistaken.
And as stated, the EU qualifiers let Shuttle play in this exact same situation, and they are the same tournament.
edit: number 5 and quick question
has sundance said anything yet?
I'm speachless.. how can this be.. no no.. after what happend to DeMuslim you realise they dont give a...
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Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem.
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On April 23 2013 04:19 SonZHi wrote:
Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem.
so the rest should get DQ too?
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On April 23 2013 04:23 Gekk02 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:19 SonZHi wrote:
Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem. so the rest should get DQ too?
If they were playing with someone else's Gamebattles/MLG/whatever you want to call it account, then yes.
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On April 23 2013 04:27 Aevera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:23 Gekk02 wrote:On April 23 2013 04:19 SonZHi wrote:
Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem. so the rest should get DQ too? If they were playing with someone else's Gamebattles/MLG/whatever you want to call it account, then yes.
*now that should be fun
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On April 23 2013 04:27 Aevera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:23 Gekk02 wrote:On April 23 2013 04:19 SonZHi wrote:
Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem. so the rest should get DQ too? If they were playing with someone else's Gamebattles/MLG/whatever you want to call it account, then yes.
Rules also clearly said leaking results may result in dq, time to dq Crank as well correct?
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On April 23 2013 04:23 Gekk02 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:19 SonZHi wrote:
Under MLG's rules, the DQ was justified. The qualifier system deserves the criticism and should be changed next time to prevent this kind of problem. so the rest should get DQ too?
Only if another player was disqualified for leaking results. To my knowledge nobody was disqualified for leaks, so the rule was enforced(or I guess in this case not enforced equally). Comparing that rule to impersonating another user, which is what comm got disqualified for, doesnt hold up.
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