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On April 23 2013 06:57 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:46 Undead1993 wrote:On April 23 2013 06:41 Aevera wrote:On April 23 2013 06:30 Undead1993 wrote:On April 23 2013 06:15 Thurken wrote:
The problem for me is the fact that he was not informing other players that he was Comm mrbitter was mentioning it in "the pulse" yesterday. he was open from the beginning, he said hey i am comm. he informed everyone according to mrbitter. stop posting wrong information. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=101#2001He did? according to mr bitter he did. theres also a vod available on the official nasl twitch channel http://www.twitch.tv/nasltv/b/394076189 at ~1hour 18 mins he starts talking about this whole thing. later he mentions that comm was completely open with that, even if he wasn't this is just shit. all random koreans are using different tags and noone knows who they are. First off, it came from Caliber's own mouth that he didn't represent himself as Comm openly, so whether or not MrBitter said so, doesn't matter. Smurfing and playing on someone elses account are different things. I have a feeling had FruitsBasket and Comm been open about it to the admins from the beginning, then MLG would have allowed him to play.
i don't see a difference. to exclude these players from the tournament is a big mess up. and to disqualify him after so many things went wrong is unexcusable in my opinion, yes you will come up with the rules thing, but they messed so much up, said that he is already in the bracket even though he wasn't. you can defend mlg as much as you want. but it stays that it was a big mess up to not let the chinese play. and then dq comm after he stayed 2 nights up fighting through the bracket and only failing to win against the STC. I mean if he wins against the stc he is qualified guys, noone cares then. he is through. this is just ridiculous and if you people are trying to tell me that this was a reasonable decision, then i dont think you have a reason.
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On April 23 2013 06:40 urashimakt wrote:- He's a WCS National champion and did not receive a seed from Blizzard. That was disappointing.
- The MLG format allows 512 seemingly randomly selected players to compete. That was disappointing.
- Comm did not make the 512 cut. That was unfortunate.
- Comm broke a rule and was disqualified: a punishment defined by the rule broken. That was appropriate.
- The rule break could have been caught and handled earlier and differently. That was disappointing.
Maybe the enforcement of the rule made you angry. Be reasonable. Be disappointed. Don't become part of the unreasonably angry mob. Who does that help? It doesn't help Comm, MLG, Blizzard or yourself. Feedback like "the format could be improved next year by prioritizing professional players" is much more useful than "I hope MLG dies because it's so shit". Personally, despite the heartbreak, I'm still looking forward to the WCS.
I like this attitude. "We made a mistake, or many mistakes, so what? We won't make them next time. Or maybe be we did next time, so what? There's always a next time."
That's exactly the attitude that makes esports better and better.
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On April 23 2013 07:04 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:40 urashimakt wrote:- He's a WCS National champion and did not receive a seed from Blizzard. That was disappointing.
- The MLG format allows 512 seemingly randomly selected players to compete. That was disappointing.
- Comm did not make the 512 cut. That was unfortunate.
- Comm broke a rule and was disqualified: a punishment defined by the rule broken. That was appropriate.
- The rule break could have been caught and handled earlier and differently. That was disappointing.
Maybe the enforcement of the rule made you angry. Be reasonable. Be disappointed. Don't become part of the unreasonably angry mob. Who does that help? It doesn't help Comm, MLG, Blizzard or yourself. Feedback like "the format could be improved next year by prioritizing professional players" is much more useful than "I hope MLG dies because it's so shit". Personally, despite the heartbreak, I'm still looking forward to the WCS. I like this attitude. "We made a mistake, or many mistakes, so what? We won't make them next time. Or maybe be we did next time, so what? There's always a next time." That's exactly the attitude that makes esports better and better.
and then you finally realize MLG is still a mess because they only invest in their "production" without having a healthy amount of competent admins.
it's not like this is the first time MLG admins fuck up. also where is the equivalent to somebody like Shawn or Bashi in ESL?
if you run a fucking league give it a face with admins not the CEO that doesn't know anything about the handling of a tournament.
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If the next MLG isn't 100% perfect I'm just going to forever boycott the damn thing.
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wow i just cam back to sc2 to walk into this shit storm
once again its MLG souring the scene.
Good job at doing things that consistently hurt 'esports'- my only question is who profits from their decisions? (someone must do)
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On April 23 2013 07:09 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:04 Baroninthetree wrote:On April 23 2013 06:40 urashimakt wrote:- He's a WCS National champion and did not receive a seed from Blizzard. That was disappointing.
- The MLG format allows 512 seemingly randomly selected players to compete. That was disappointing.
- Comm did not make the 512 cut. That was unfortunate.
- Comm broke a rule and was disqualified: a punishment defined by the rule broken. That was appropriate.
- The rule break could have been caught and handled earlier and differently. That was disappointing.
Maybe the enforcement of the rule made you angry. Be reasonable. Be disappointed. Don't become part of the unreasonably angry mob. Who does that help? It doesn't help Comm, MLG, Blizzard or yourself. Feedback like "the format could be improved next year by prioritizing professional players" is much more useful than "I hope MLG dies because it's so shit". Personally, despite the heartbreak, I'm still looking forward to the WCS. I like this attitude. "We made a mistake, or many mistakes, so what? We won't make them next time. Or maybe be we did next time, so what? There's always a next time." That's exactly the attitude that makes esports better and better. and then you finally realize MLG is still a mess because they only invest in their "production" without having a healthy amount of competent admins. it's not like this is the first time MLG admins fuck up. also where is the equivalent to somebody like Shawn or Bashi in ESL? if you run a fucking league give it a face with admins not the CEO that doesn't know anything about the handling of a tournament.
The MLG admins are all hardworking volunteers. Why do you feel the need to shit on them for days. Mistakes were made, let it go.
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On April 25 2013 07:14 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:09 fleeze wrote:On April 23 2013 07:04 Baroninthetree wrote:On April 23 2013 06:40 urashimakt wrote:- He's a WCS National champion and did not receive a seed from Blizzard. That was disappointing.
- The MLG format allows 512 seemingly randomly selected players to compete. That was disappointing.
- Comm did not make the 512 cut. That was unfortunate.
- Comm broke a rule and was disqualified: a punishment defined by the rule broken. That was appropriate.
- The rule break could have been caught and handled earlier and differently. That was disappointing.
Maybe the enforcement of the rule made you angry. Be reasonable. Be disappointed. Don't become part of the unreasonably angry mob. Who does that help? It doesn't help Comm, MLG, Blizzard or yourself. Feedback like "the format could be improved next year by prioritizing professional players" is much more useful than "I hope MLG dies because it's so shit". Personally, despite the heartbreak, I'm still looking forward to the WCS. I like this attitude. "We made a mistake, or many mistakes, so what? We won't make them next time. Or maybe be we did next time, so what? There's always a next time." That's exactly the attitude that makes esports better and better. and then you finally realize MLG is still a mess because they only invest in their "production" without having a healthy amount of competent admins. it's not like this is the first time MLG admins fuck up. also where is the equivalent to somebody like Shawn or Bashi in ESL? if you run a fucking league give it a face with admins not the CEO that doesn't know anything about the handling of a tournament. The MLG admins are all hardworking volunteers. Why do you feel the need to shit on them for days. Mistakes were made, let it go.
because it's obvious they are not enough admins (sundance said it in his statement himlself) and they did an awfull job in the qualifier. see communication with chinese players, not checking for hackers, hyun's case (though they blame blizzard for it).
a visible head admin (like Shawn of ESL) is also really helpfull if such a controversy arises in a tournament.
perhaps the problem is also that it's only volunteers (if true) and not some paid professionals. just as i said they only invest in visible things like their studio, the background gets neglected.
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