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Honestly, though, Riot has a similar system with the LCS NA/EU and KR, too? Has Riot faced similar challenges as this? I'm wondering if they've figured out a way to handle it that may be in some way applicable to our scene (although team vs individual players already makes it quite different).[Updated] WCS Region Lock Confusion (Korea) - Page 4
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
Honestly, though, Riot has a similar system with the LCS NA/EU and KR, too? Has Riot faced similar challenges as this? I'm wondering if they've figured out a way to handle it that may be in some way applicable to our scene (although team vs individual players already makes it quite different). | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: Is there a single team owner/manager/staff member that has actually been emailed comprehensive information by Blizzard? Because we haven't and you'd think that making sure that occurred would be Blizzards FIRST priority. How are we supposed to make informed decisions on short notice with incomplete information? I say we spread our players evenly throughout all regions and just play the odds. If you'll let Arthur stay in your living room, I'll let Crank stay in mine. On a serious note, ESL seems to be most forward. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 07 2013 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: actually nothing has even been defined. expected". Looks like everything up to CodeS/CodeA will be on Tuesdays/Wednesdays/Thursdays - CodeS is on website, and partial CodeA schedule was shown during the first broadcast - so at least that much seems to be defined. It's likely WCS NA/EU will start following the same route so it will be much easier to accommodate for weekend tourneys. edit: reread Torte's post, got the point now, but i think if the Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday plan sticks then i really dont see anybody losing anything from this schedule-wise. On April 07 2013 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: even the most basic facts are up for dispute. The what blizzard has said here are the following: "1.6mil", "3 times more compared to last year" and "equal distribution between regions" ( last one is from an interview so might be misinterpretation) Rumours are very bottom-heavy distribution Fact is that 1.6mil is not enough to provide GSL-like prize pool to every region + 4 extra tourneys including blizzcon finals. It's reasonable to assume they wont actually make GSL prize pool smaller, and since WCS prize pool last year was around 3x less than 3x so it should be rather ok to assume neither the "3x times more" and "1.6mil" quotes did not include whatever Blizzard has been secretly giving to GSL. So yeah, it seems quite likely that GomTV and OGN might make the prize-money worthy of the competition compared to other regions. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:58 Jacmert wrote: So... what you're telling me is that Blizzard is killing #esports?! Honestly, though, Riot has a similar system with the LCS NA/EU and KR, too? Has Riot faced similar challenges as this? I'm wondering if they've figured out a way to handle it that may be in some way applicable to our scene (although team vs individual players already makes it quite different).It was a lot easier for Riot since they only had to deal with 8 teams in NA/EU for the highest division (LCS). They also made the announcement much earlier (everyone knew LCS was happening last summer). Their biggest issue right now is dealing with the amateur teams. The teams in the LCS get salaried so it's easy for them to poach good players from challenger teams who are playing for a chance to get into the LCS. So even though Riot set up a system where LCS teams can get knocked down, it's very hard to do so with no roster security for the new teams. | ||
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ATiBright
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I think is incorrect is the theory of all WCS Prize money being the same between regions. The amount Blizzard is giving as a prize pool for WCS is likely the same throughout, but then you have the GSL/OSL and they are already tournaments that give out large prize pools, therefore since they are just being turned into WCS Korea it would make the most sense that you add WCS (Blizzard prize money) on top of GSL and OSL prize money. Making WCS Korea still well worth it for your better players. Also ESL is doing WCS EU not IEM, Intel Extreme Masters is probably going to be the same tournament and ESL will do the WCS EU as a side project therefore I'm sure anyone can still enter IEM tournaments. As for WCS NA I have no idea one would assume MLG would still want big name Koreans coming to their events therefore making WCS NA completely separate from its normal stops but would need to hear from Sundance or Bliz for any real idea on that. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:26 FXOdesRow wrote: Make players have to relocate and go live in NA/EU to compete and that solves the problem . Why should they have the opportunity to compete risk free ? EDIT: Grammar wtf Because the leagues exist to entertain viewers and not to provide welfare to "pro gamers"? Morhaime himself said that having Koreans involved increases the entertainment level. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:32 Cyrak wrote: Because the leagues exist to entertain viewers and not to provide welfare to "pro gamers"? Morhaime himself said that having Koreans involved increases the entertainment level. Oh okay welfare... Koreans playing for WCS NA will do nothing for the US scene in terms of skills growth. We have Polt right now and all he does is play on KR, it's gonna be even worse if they can play the season online. If they can play online, each team should have a lot of B teammers(3-5 players per team) playing for WCS NA and it's gonna turn into another NASL. Sure they're better but it's because we have no infrastructure or incentives to play full time so stop acting like an elitist douchebag. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:42 FXOdesRow wrote: Pretty much. So... Puma first WCS NA champ. it's gonna turn into another NASL.  Yay | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:42 FXOdesRow wrote: Oh okay welfare... Koreans playing for WCS NA will do nothing for the US scene in terms of skills growth. We have Polt right now and all he does is play on KR, it's gonna be even worse if they can play the season online. If they can play online, each team should have a lot of B teammers(3-5 players per team) playing for WCS NA and it's gonna turn into another NASL. Sure they're better but it's because we have no infrastructure or incentives to play full time so stop acting like an elitist douchebag. yeah, there are a crap load of us that would love to practice like koreans and get sick good, but it's super hard when.. 1. all of your practice partners are in school/work full time because unless you're on EG good luck being able to play full time in NA 2. even if you ARE good, GL getting noticed when the few online tournaments that are left are swarmed with code S level koreans (No, seriously.. zotac NA finals were polt vs jjakji ffs.) + Show Spoiler + 3. lol everyone in NA hates each other so what the fuck who cares Having a legit way for NA players to compete against each other and maybe cultivate a true north american scene would be awesome. Being able to watch all the people from your region compete must be a sick feeling, too bad it's impossible for NA players. | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:42 FXOdesRow wrote: Oh okay welfare... Koreans playing for WCS NA will do nothing for the US scene in terms of skills growth. We have Polt right now and all he does is play on KR, it's gonna be even worse if they can play the season online. If they can play online, each team should have a lot of B teammers(3-5 players per team) playing for WCS NA and it's gonna turn into another NASL. Sure they're better but it's because we have no infrastructure or incentives to play full time so stop acting like an elitist douchebag. I feel this way also. You go desrow! : ) (High5) | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: How are we supposed to make informed decisions on short notice with incomplete information? Blizzard heard about "alternate reality games" and decided to make one to announce their new league. It's an RTS! Unfortunately, no one managed to scout Blizzard's build order in time to counter it. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
If the teams didn't even get a notice nor that the points for the non WCS tournaments are set... Also announcing such a big change right before a new season of GSL instead of saying next season we will do this and that here are the points; this info for managers and teams and feel free to contact this person for questions. Everything should have been up on the table and not managers and teams rushing, scavenging for information without real answers. Hopefully first thing on Monday we will see some more info from Blizzard everyone can settle down. Edit: Going into the Korean vs foreigner scene is out own fault, can't blame it on others. If teams, sponsors and leagues actually did what their counterparts have done you wouldn't have to QQ about it. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:59 Glurkenspurk wrote: 1. all of your practice partners are in school/work full time because unless you're on EG good luck being able to play full time in NA Isnt this the biggest problem? The reason why it cannot be all offline? That half of our players are not actually full-time? If it would be offline, and for example Suppy qualified, he would probably have to quit school. Same goes for Nerchio in EU and a lot of others. And thats just the biggest problem - if it was completely offline, somebody would have to arrange an accommodation for all the players near the venue. For LCS Riot is paying that. Is Blizzard willing to pay for it also? And of course, teams would have to pay much more money for full out progamers, then for guys who play in their spare time. I hoped, that the 'Ro16 onwards is gonna be offline' would mean, that at least 2 weeks of offline play is gonna be done. But the more I think about it, the more problems come out and I am starting to lose hope. If it will be 'play online and then 1 weekend-long tournament for Ro16+' it is indeed gonna suck and turn into another NASL full of Korean B-teamers. Basically, the whole 'all the Koreans are gonna play in NA/EU WCS' theory stands and falls on one variable - the length of offline play. The longer the offline part, the less Koreans are gonna turn up. Unfortunately, it seems same goes also for Americans/Europeans. | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:26 FXOdesRow wrote: Make players have to relocate and go live in NA/EU to compete and that solves the problem . Why should they have the opportunity to compete risk free ? EDIT: Grammar wtf It's not completely risk free... there might very little time between your ro32 win and your ro16 lan match. If you were not already prepared to go to US ( visa, travel etc ) it might be too late to start preparing. if you prepare "just in case" you might lose money you spent preparing. If you forfeit - you will lose your earnings. It might be very likely that you will actually have to move to US to play in WCS NA. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Totalbiscuit Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 4m @idrajit Got sources they say $100,000 per season for WCS EU Totalbiscuit Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 4m @idrajit split goes down to 32nd place, #1 is $35k, #2 is $15k. Can't imagine US would be different Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m @idrajit also spoken to Blizzard and they're dashing to get a proper information pack together, sounds like a lot of this was last minute TB on twitter, mouz manager states "can second this" | ||
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gamerdude12345
Korea (South)378 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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