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On April 07 2013 04:32 NonY wrote:
Kinda scary that the folks in charge of all this either haven't figured out all the details or are incapable of communicating them. Maybe a little bit of the effort put into getting so many VIP's to a fluffy announcement ceremony in Korea could have instead been used for thinking about everyone's situation and writing a document that addresses all of their concerns.
No man, it's Blizzard. Everything Blizzard does is the best decision! -cough-
This whole event has been rather stupid. While it's great that Blizzard is actually putting some amount of effort into tournaments, they are sort of failing to execute the thing. It's April, and there needs to be 9 tournaments (3 per region) before Blizzcon (WCS Grand Finals). For something as large as this is, everyone (especially players) should have been informed of EVERYTHING at least 2 months ago. As people have said, NA/EU have not even started and the GSL format isn't exactly quick. It seems like the head Blizz employees came up with this whole thing in less than a week.
Not exactly the best start for their "gigantic change in SC2 pro-scene", is it?
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Quick! Everyone vote strongly disagree if you haven't yet on the poll on the front page. They can't even tell us the format so why should we agree with it?
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On April 07 2013 04:32 NonY wrote:
Kinda scary that the folks in charge of all this either haven't figured out all the details or are incapable of communicating them. Maybe a little bit of the effort put into getting so many VIP's to a fluffy announcement ceremony in Korea could have instead been used for thinking about everyone's situation and writing a document that addresses all of their concerns.
This is essentially my largest concern with WCS. The entire thing looks good but relies on this gigantic infrastructure that no one seems to know anything about yet except it's also starting in a few days? How does that happen?
Also edited TB's response into the OP.
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By the way, lots of people comment that Koreans that stay in the KR WCS will be missed at MLGs, IEMs etc. Isn't it still possible for them to attend those foreign events, just for money, while not getting WCS points there and only at home?
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On April 07 2013 06:43 figq wrote:
By the way, lots of people comment that Koreans that stay in the KR WCS will be missed at MLGs, IEMs etc. Isn't it still possible for them to attend those foreign events, just for money, while not getting WCS points there and only at home?
mlg iem tours have nothing to do with wcs, they can attends mlg and iems
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Honestly, they should have stuck with the old format they had last year but made it bigger and better.
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so is it confirmed that all the wcs regional events will have the same prizepool? i think artosis said that the gsl/osl will continue to pay out the 50k won or so for first place, i cant imagine mlg/iem to hand out the same prizepool but in a 3-4 day time frame.
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It seems the money Blizzard provides will be split evenly among the regions, but GSL (and possibly the other partners) will add on top of that. So Korea will still have the largest prize pool.
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On April 07 2013 02:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
New system with comes a lot of shoving to make it fit in everyone's schedule (MLG, EU and Korean tournament organizers + teams participating in foreign leagues [EGTL, WW, etc.) as well as players traveling (America, Korea, EU).
This is pretty much expected that a lot lose out to lay way for the new road of consistent scheduling and timeline.
It's sad to see and read this, but it was expected as well.
actually nothing has even been defined.
so for you to claim "consistent scheduling and timeline" in a vague way... pretty much says nothing.
does this mean WCS 2014 starts in April 2014? What is Code "S" is NA and how do u go through qualifiers ? etc etc
Furthermore, Morhaime et al have already said this thing can change from year to year with more regions etc etc.
how is this "consistent timeline and scheduling".
TotalBiscuit and Martijn.. 2 guys .. "on the front lines" are left hung out to dry.. while you sit around saying.. "everything is as expected".
On April 07 2013 06:59 sashkata wrote:
It seems the money Blizzard provides will be split evenly among the regions, but GSL (and possibly the other partners) will add on top of that. So Korea will still have the largest prize pool.
even the most basic facts are up for dispute.
Blizzard's announcement is a clear case of "Ready","Fire", "Aim".
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I can only speak for EU: WCS EU should start very shortly (~2 weeks), qualification details, structure etc will be announced /very/ soon, as soon as it is ready to be - we want to get started as soon as everyone else - I expect MLG for WCS NA will be similar. The final details are still being decided and confirmed.
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If you don't join Europe or North America now it means you can't be Premier League in season two either. Because if you join next season you will have to start at the bottom which means a season of Challenger league before you can get to up and downs. This is pretty brutal for players who are already part of WCS KR by being in GSL. It also means the decision for all the others is really hard, because previously everyone thought you could at least play one season of WCS KR and make up your mind after.
This whole thing is so complicated, and not having all the information makes it incredibly hard. The search for information has kept us busy the past couple days. Small bits are trickling in depending on who you ask at which organization, but other information simply isn't going to come at all. I want to make the best decisions for my team together with my players, but right now it seems I may as well be playing roulette.
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Its for the greater good. We need to region lock a little bit just like every other sport. Its the best way to grow anything- people love cheering for hometown favorites for not other reason than the fact that they are from the same country. It doesnt make sense but thats how humans are. It sucks that there is confusion about the code A qualifers and stuff. Blizzard really should have told all the teams before hand. Most teams have things planned months in advance. Its hard to move players from country to country on a sudden notice.
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On April 07 2013 07:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
If you don't join Europe or North America now it means you can't be Premier League in season two either. Because if you join next season you will have to start at the bottom which means a season of Challenger league before you can get to up and downs. This is pretty brutal for players who are already part of WCS KR by being in GSL. It also means the decision for all the others is really hard, because previously everyone thought you could at least play one season of WCS KR and make up your mind after.
This whole thing is so complicated, and not having all the information makes it incredibly hard. The search for information has kept us busy the past couple days. Small bits are trickling in depending on who you ask at which organization, but other information simply isn't going to come at all. I want to make the best decisions for my team together with my players, but right now it seems I may as well be playing roulette.
I think it's time for the red phone to call Blizzard HQ?
But seriously, there has got to be a way to talk to the big ol' company that devised this WCS. Maybe contacts of former employees such as Rob Simpson could help? They ought to know how to get to the right people on Blizzard's end?
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My biggest hope is that koreans just can't come to EU or US and play for few days and win it but that they actually haft to stay minimun 8-10 weeks per season. It should be like the whole year but it's first year so don't think they can manage that so quickly.
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Is there a single team owner/manager/staff member that has actually been emailed comprehensive information by Blizzard?
Because we haven't and you'd think that making sure that occurred would be Blizzards FIRST priority. How are we supposed to make informed decisions on short notice with incomplete information?
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On April 07 2013 07:31 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 07:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
If you don't join Europe or North America now it means you can't be Premier League in season two either. Because if you join next season you will have to start at the bottom which means a season of Challenger league before you can get to up and downs. This is pretty brutal for players who are already part of WCS KR by being in GSL. It also means the decision for all the others is really hard, because previously everyone thought you could at least play one season of WCS KR and make up your mind after.
This whole thing is so complicated, and not having all the information makes it incredibly hard. The search for information has kept us busy the past couple days. Small bits are trickling in depending on who you ask at which organization, but other information simply isn't going to come at all. I want to make the best decisions for my team together with my players, but right now it seems I may as well be playing roulette. I think it's time for the red phone to call Blizzard HQ? But seriously, there has got to be a way to talk to the big ol' company that devised this WCS. Maybe contacts of former employees such as Rob Simpson could help? They ought to know how to get to the right people on Blizzard's end?
I don't think the issue here is that somehow Blizzard forgot to tell people about their plans. It is more that they aren't set in stone yet and they are still talking with ESL and MLG about it.
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On April 07 2013 07:37 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 07:31 Proseat wrote:On April 07 2013 07:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
If you don't join Europe or North America now it means you can't be Premier League in season two either. Because if you join next season you will have to start at the bottom which means a season of Challenger league before you can get to up and downs. This is pretty brutal for players who are already part of WCS KR by being in GSL. It also means the decision for all the others is really hard, because previously everyone thought you could at least play one season of WCS KR and make up your mind after.
This whole thing is so complicated, and not having all the information makes it incredibly hard. The search for information has kept us busy the past couple days. Small bits are trickling in depending on who you ask at which organization, but other information simply isn't going to come at all. I want to make the best decisions for my team together with my players, but right now it seems I may as well be playing roulette. I think it's time for the red phone to call Blizzard HQ? But seriously, there has got to be a way to talk to the big ol' company that devised this WCS. Maybe contacts of former employees such as Rob Simpson could help? They ought to know how to get to the right people on Blizzard's end? I don't think the issue here is that somehow Blizzard forgot to tell people about their plans. It is more that they aren't set in stone yet and they are still talking with ESL and MLG about it.
Then why announce it or implement it now? It's a total mess to leave teams scrambling with only a few short weeks to be able to set plans for the next months and years. It's almost scary to think some of these players and teams that devote their lives to the game are going to get completely fucked simply because they have zero chance to know what the Hell is going on. It's really sad and it worries me. Not for the scene necessarily, because I do think this has the potential to be great when it's all sorted out (potential, not certainty), but for individual players that in the next month might find out they made the COMPLETELY wrong decision.
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The Code A qualifier for GSL is coming up in a couple of days and many Korean players are trying to figure out if they should sit this one out, because entering would mean they're locked to WCS Korea for the first season. Not knowing the WCS EU/NA schedule and if the offline portion would conflict with GSTL or Proleague is making it difficult for the players and their teams to decide what they want to do.
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