• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:34
CET 07:34
KST 15:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
uThermal 2v2 Circuit OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays I would like to say something about StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Beyond All Reason Elden Ring Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1673 users

[Updated] WCS Region Lock Confusion (Korea) - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#141
It's not very hard to figure out why Blizzard chose ESL.

ESL has studios.
ESL has a bigger staff. Dreamhack is organized by 9 people and some volunteers afaik.
ESL is used to the bureaucratic work.
ESL has a larger outreach and people all around Europe.
ESL has a complete rulebook.
ESL is used to getting shat on.
ESL knows how to run online leagues.
ESL has worked with Blizzard for years.
ESL has specialized itself to run events on behalf of others.
ESL has shown that it can deal with events of this magnitude with LCS.

Yeah, IEMs are a little bit stale compared to Dreamhacks but considering the facts above, I would've been surprised if Blizzard chose DH over ESL. ESL is basically the safe choice. Blizzard has enough to do with managing KR and NA. Best option might have been DH+ESL and MLG+NASL, but Blizzard should know best what they are doing from an operational standpoint. Dreamhack will be fine, they might even benefit from it. Can't say that about NASL... until more is revealed.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#142
On April 08 2013 07:54 SinCitta wrote:
It's not very hard to figure out why Blizzard chose ESL.

ESL has studios.
ESL has a bigger staff. Dreamhack is organized by 9 people and some volunteers afaik.
ESL is used to the bureaucratic work.
ESL has a larger outreach and people all around Europe.
ESL has a complete rulebook.
ESL is used to getting shat on.
ESL knows how to run online leagues.
ESL has worked with Blizzard for years.
ESL has specialized itself to run events on behalf of others.
ESL has shown that it can deal with events of this magnitude with LCS.

Yeah, IEMs are a little bit stale compared to Dreamhacks but considering the facts above, I would've been surprised if Blizzard chose DH over ESL. ESL is basically the safe choice. Blizzard has enough to do with managing KR and NA. Best option might have been DH+ESL and MLG+NASL, but Blizzard should know best what they are doing from an operational standpoint. Dreamhack will be fine, they might even benefit from it. Can't say that about NASL... until more is revealed.

The ESL vs. DH is mostly about emotional attachment, as I see it. ESL has steadily improved throughout the last year, they'll make good stuff happen.

The issue with NASL is much larger. If Blizzard institutes a ban on competing SC2 content in the timeframe of WCS (which is, it would seem, pretty much around the clock (Korea->Europe->America->Korea)), there will be no room for NASL in it's current form.

That would be a shameful outcome.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 14:27:56
April 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#143
Updated!

New info: There's still confusion.

Will be interesting to see who shows up at Code A/Challenger prelims tomorrow
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
April 09 2013 15:27 GMT
#144
Well, it is to me obvious why a player can't participate in both Korean WCS season 1 and in season 1 of another region. That they get an one time deal to repick region must be for season 2 otherwise it would be really weird IMO.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 15:30:17
April 09 2013 15:29 GMT
#145
Question: Will OSL, aka WCS season 2, adopt the Code A/Code S format of the GSL (renamed Challenge League-Premier League whatever) ? I really hope not
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
April 09 2013 15:30 GMT
#146
On April 07 2013 02:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +

‏@Slasher:
Woke up just missing DRG eliminating MC from #WCS KR. Huge win for DRG. MC to USA/EU soon enough?
‏@LorangerChris: He cant swap now, its to late
‏@Slasher: I thought as clarified in the AMA, you are allowed one exception
@LorangerChris i was told i cant play code a, and code s players in korea cant change even if they wanted to



That actually makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
Huk cannot play Code A if he wants to play WCS S1 NA.
Code S players cannot change the location for S1, but they will be able for S2.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
April 09 2013 15:30 GMT
#147
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened
[Terran] mvp | maru | innovation | mma [Protoss] mc | squirtle [Zerg] nestea | soo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2013 15:34 GMT
#148
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
April 09 2013 15:41 GMT
#149
On April 10 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.


Also to add to that I think it was the only way to make OGN broadcast more Starcraft other than pro league. OSL was pretty much in limbo.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2013 15:59 GMT
#150
On April 10 2013 00:41 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.


Also to add to that I think it was the only way to make OGN broadcast more Starcraft other than pro league. OSL was pretty much in limbo.


I mean, just think about that. Blizzard has to get the GSL, and one of the larger networks in Korea, OGN, to play together. They also have to keep Kespa and ESF happy. They also need to keep MLG, IEM and DH in the loop and try to keep them viable at well.

Personally, I am in awe that this is working as well as it has been. There is some confusion, but nothing that is crazy or bad. Mostly players finding out that they can't switch regions if they attempt to qualify for GSL and fail. Which is pretty minor in my book, since NA/EU players can't shoot over to the other region if they don't qualify either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 269
NeuroSwarm 181
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 513
Shuttle 70
ZergMaN 46
JulyZerg 34
Bale 13
NotJumperer 8
Icarus 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 467
League of Legends
JimRising 761
C9.Mang0629
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King62
Other Games
summit1g9898
singsing543
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick29501
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 95
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21141
League of Legends
• Stunt476
Other Games
• Scarra2777
• Shiphtur325
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 26m
Wardi Open
5h 26m
RotterdaM Event
10h 56m
Patches Events
13h 26m
PiGosaur Cup
18h 26m
OSC
1d 5h
SOOP
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 21
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.