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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#141
It's not very hard to figure out why Blizzard chose ESL.

ESL has studios.
ESL has a bigger staff. Dreamhack is organized by 9 people and some volunteers afaik.
ESL is used to the bureaucratic work.
ESL has a larger outreach and people all around Europe.
ESL has a complete rulebook.
ESL is used to getting shat on.
ESL knows how to run online leagues.
ESL has worked with Blizzard for years.
ESL has specialized itself to run events on behalf of others.
ESL has shown that it can deal with events of this magnitude with LCS.

Yeah, IEMs are a little bit stale compared to Dreamhacks but considering the facts above, I would've been surprised if Blizzard chose DH over ESL. ESL is basically the safe choice. Blizzard has enough to do with managing KR and NA. Best option might have been DH+ESL and MLG+NASL, but Blizzard should know best what they are doing from an operational standpoint. Dreamhack will be fine, they might even benefit from it. Can't say that about NASL... until more is revealed.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#142
On April 08 2013 07:54 SinCitta wrote:
It's not very hard to figure out why Blizzard chose ESL.

ESL has studios.
ESL has a bigger staff. Dreamhack is organized by 9 people and some volunteers afaik.
ESL is used to the bureaucratic work.
ESL has a larger outreach and people all around Europe.
ESL has a complete rulebook.
ESL is used to getting shat on.
ESL knows how to run online leagues.
ESL has worked with Blizzard for years.
ESL has specialized itself to run events on behalf of others.
ESL has shown that it can deal with events of this magnitude with LCS.

Yeah, IEMs are a little bit stale compared to Dreamhacks but considering the facts above, I would've been surprised if Blizzard chose DH over ESL. ESL is basically the safe choice. Blizzard has enough to do with managing KR and NA. Best option might have been DH+ESL and MLG+NASL, but Blizzard should know best what they are doing from an operational standpoint. Dreamhack will be fine, they might even benefit from it. Can't say that about NASL... until more is revealed.

The ESL vs. DH is mostly about emotional attachment, as I see it. ESL has steadily improved throughout the last year, they'll make good stuff happen.

The issue with NASL is much larger. If Blizzard institutes a ban on competing SC2 content in the timeframe of WCS (which is, it would seem, pretty much around the clock (Korea->Europe->America->Korea)), there will be no room for NASL in it's current form.

That would be a shameful outcome.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33508 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 14:27:56
April 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#143
Updated!

New info: There's still confusion.

Will be interesting to see who shows up at Code A/Challenger prelims tomorrow
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
April 09 2013 15:27 GMT
#144
Well, it is to me obvious why a player can't participate in both Korean WCS season 1 and in season 1 of another region. That they get an one time deal to repick region must be for season 2 otherwise it would be really weird IMO.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 15:30:17
April 09 2013 15:29 GMT
#145
Question: Will OSL, aka WCS season 2, adopt the Code A/Code S format of the GSL (renamed Challenge League-Premier League whatever) ? I really hope not
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
April 09 2013 15:30 GMT
#146
On April 07 2013 02:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +

‏@Slasher:
Woke up just missing DRG eliminating MC from #WCS KR. Huge win for DRG. MC to USA/EU soon enough?
‏@LorangerChris: He cant swap now, its to late
‏@Slasher: I thought as clarified in the AMA, you are allowed one exception
@LorangerChris i was told i cant play code a, and code s players in korea cant change even if they wanted to



That actually makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
Huk cannot play Code A if he wants to play WCS S1 NA.
Code S players cannot change the location for S1, but they will be able for S2.
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Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
April 09 2013 15:30 GMT
#147
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2013 15:34 GMT
#148
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.
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Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
April 09 2013 15:41 GMT
#149
On April 10 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.


Also to add to that I think it was the only way to make OGN broadcast more Starcraft other than pro league. OSL was pretty much in limbo.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2013 15:59 GMT
#150
On April 10 2013 00:41 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
On April 10 2013 00:30 Negius wrote:
I think the only reason there is so much confusion, is because the GSL/OSL = WCS Korea.
If they just had created a whole new tournament instead of replacing a current one, none of this would've happened

I am sure the GSL and OSL would have gone for that(this is my sarcastic face). Having their tournaments eliminated or unable to air during WSC hours, which is during week when they show their matches. This was the only way it was going to get down and stop both sides from fighting.


Also to add to that I think it was the only way to make OGN broadcast more Starcraft other than pro league. OSL was pretty much in limbo.


I mean, just think about that. Blizzard has to get the GSL, and one of the larger networks in Korea, OGN, to play together. They also have to keep Kespa and ESF happy. They also need to keep MLG, IEM and DH in the loop and try to keep them viable at well.

Personally, I am in awe that this is working as well as it has been. There is some confusion, but nothing that is crazy or bad. Mostly players finding out that they can't switch regions if they attempt to qualify for GSL and fail. Which is pretty minor in my book, since NA/EU players can't shoot over to the other region if they don't qualify either.
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