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BigFan
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stew_
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shadymmj
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Baum
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On April 05 2013 05:35 Moa wrote: It may be a hatchet job but I think the new format is fundamentally flawed. The game is played globally and trying to make it regional is really just cutting out the best players so that some no-name player can get hype behind them. The Koreans shouldn't be punished for putting in more effort and being dominant they should be rewarded. It is a fundamentally flawed idea to have favoritism built into a tournament's structure. Right now there is no favoritism in the tournament structure. If Koreans did get more spots this would be favoritism. | ||
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KelsierSC
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"Incomprehensible Archery Analogy omitted" incredibly funny. | ||
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xuanzue
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PCG: Is there going to be a points weighting for certain regions and competitions? MM: It’ll be a flat playing field, and all players will have to earn their slots. But people can compete in whichever region they want. So you’ll probably get some people from Korea opting to play in regions outside of Korea. But each of the leagues will distribute the same number of points and the same monetary prize pool. basically, I don't see any reason the code b player to compete against code s players, when they can choose foreigners and other code b's to beat | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2013 20:43 Baum wrote: Right now there is no favoritism in the tournament structure. If Koreans did get more spots this would be favoritism. The system was always going to have a rough start in Korea, since they have ongoing leagues like GSL. There was no real good way to do it, beyond making seperate leagues from the GSL, which is bad and devalues the events. It sucks for players trying to get into code A, but even code A will have WSC points up for grab. Blizzard can't make everyone happy with the system, but everyone has options. Also, from last nights SotG, there are reports that GSL will have the largest prize pool(same amount of WCS money from Blizzard, but more from GOM), which makes its the more worthy tournament it should be. I think we will know more in the next few weeks. | ||
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Doodsmack
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howLiN
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Plansix
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On April 05 2013 23:38 howLiN wrote: I thought you could still play in any non WCS tournament, like the MLG/IEM stops, DreamHacks, NASLs, Iron Squids, LoneStar Clashes, for WCS points? Yes, that is fact. It is unclear about the WCS points and if they would be regional, but I would doubt that. | ||
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StarscreamG1
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Mellon
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On April 05 2013 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: I think people are overestimating the number of Koreans who will play in NA and EU regions. The fact that they would be locked out of GSL and OSL, the only prestigious leagues and what they've dreamed of, will deter them I would think. Of course only time will tell, and we're all just speculating right now, but I just have a feeling they'll stick with their own national and established individual leagues. Doesn't even matter, if they send 3 koreans to each region it would not be a shock if all 3 went through, depending on who they were of course. I just don't see the reasoning for having 5 spots in the 3 major regions if people can chose which region they want to play in? Just have 15 spots instead so people don't have to travel around the world to get a shot. They are just trying to fool the community into believing it will be some sort of a world tournament, when it's just gonna be another mini-gsl. | ||
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ragz_gt
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On April 05 2013 14:44 stew_ wrote: sidenote but liverpool being a "top team" made me lol Yeah that sticks me also... (being following premier league before moving to Boston, where there are ALOT of liverpool hate) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: I think people are overestimating the number of Koreans who will play in NA and EU regions. The fact that they would be locked out of GSL and OSL, the only prestigious leagues and what they've dreamed of, will deter them I would think. Of course only time will tell, and we're all just speculating right now, but I just have a feeling they'll stick with their own national and established individual leagues. The most likely Koreans to come over and ones that do not qualify for Code A and don’t have Korean teams with Korean sponsors(per Artosis on SotG). Those players are no where near unbeatable by a top level NA player with enough practice and from what CatZ said(more SotG), Root plans to thrown down hard. If anything, those Code B players coming over will be good for the NA players and give them cause to practice like never before. And with constant games and a set GSL-like structure, players are going to be able to bore down to specific match ups. I am willing to bet in the first few month or so, we will see who practices more in NA very quickly. | ||
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Diddywhop
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llIH
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goiflin
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On April 06 2013 00:11 llIH wrote: Everyone envy Polt now? :D Funny he is one of the few with an education in his back pocket as well He can see into the future! But I agree with the notion that many code-b players will attempt to qualify in NA. More than likely they won't bother with EU (and if they do, their latency will be god awful), but foreigners can beat, or at least, certainly COMPETE with code-b koreans. So I'm not so worried from the foreigner point of view... I'm more worried on the korean point of view. Like MC said, it's a really awful situation to be in, if you're not in code S. I'd be pissed if I was one of those players. My choices would be either exclusion from the first season or two while I try to claw my way into code S, or play on NA and pay my own way out there for the RO16. Considering most korean teams make shit salary (B teamers especially). And that we didn't see nearly as many koreans traveling abroad until tournaments started covering travel fees (IE: Their travel budget must be pretty slim), I don't know if I'd be ready to slap down 2k+ for air fare and hotel fees (from my own pocket) for a CHANCE at winning a tournament. I hope blizzard gets this stuff figured out for the next year. Having it be separate is so much better in every way. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 06 2013 00:25 goiflin wrote: He can see into the future! But I agree with the notion that many code-b players will attempt to qualify in NA. More than likely they won't bother with EU (and if they do, their latency will be god awful), but foreigners can beat, or at least, certainly COMPETE with code-b koreans. So I'm not so worried from the foreigner point of view... I'm more worried on the korean point of view. Like MC said, it's a really awful situation to be in, if you're not in code S. I'd be pissed if I was one of those players. My choices would be either exclusion from the first season or two while I try to claw my way into code S, or play on NA and pay my own way out there for the RO16. Considering most korean teams make shit salary (B teamers especially). And that we didn't see nearly as many koreans traveling abroad until tournaments started covering travel fees (IE: Their travel budget must be pretty slim), I don't know if I'd be ready to slap down 2k+ for air fare and hotel fees (from my own pocket) for a CHANCE at winning a tournament. I hope blizzard gets this stuff figured out for the next year. Having it be separate is so much better in every way. Blizzard will and there next year will likely have better rules and more notice for players when they can sign up for each region. The main reason this year is so open is that it was announced 5 days before the code A qualifiers. Players need time to make big decisions like that. Also, the investment that a Korean player would need to compete in the NA is way less than an NA player would need to make to practice in Korea. Then the NA player would need to fly back to compete against Koreans in MLG. Plus, once a player gets to the round of 16 for NA, I am willing to be they can find someone to sponsor the trip to the regional finals. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote: Yes, that is fact. It is unclear about the WCS points and if they would be regional, but I would doubt that. I don't really understand the problem then, because the only thing it was added were two GSL-like tournaments to the NA and the EU scenes. What's the big problem for Koreans then, given that they can still pretty much attend any tournament they want to just like in previous years? | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: I think people are overestimating the number of Koreans who will play in NA and EU regions. The fact that they would be locked out of GSL and OSL, the only prestigious leagues and what they've dreamed of, will deter them I would think. Of course only time will tell, and we're all just speculating right now, but I just have a feeling they'll stick with their own national and established individual leagues. GSL and OSL are prestigious because they were by themselves the crowning achievement. But now, they are the 'regular season' for WCS. It is like winning the premier league in England or La Liga in Spain, sure, it is still prestigious but Champions League is THE title. You could argue that WCS Korea was tougher than WCS global. But more people remember PartInG's win more than Creator's. | ||
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