EPTMC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan - Page 21
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theLiminator
Canada57 Posts
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On April 05 2013 05:10 playa wrote: I think Mike Morhaime better be working 14 hours a day, every day, for at least a year, before he tries uttering that BS again, with a straight face, about "non Koreans need to try harder." Imagine working 10 hours a day and being shitted on because you're not as good as a Korean working 14 hours plus. That's a great fucking message to send. Non Koreans, if you want any money, spend 24/7 playing our game. Real inspirational and healthy. If non Koreans spent as much time practicing as they spent coming up with this format, we would all be plat at best. You sound like a disgruntled lazy person. There's a reason why the people who work 4+ more hours take all the money. They work that much harder to win it. If the non-Koreans want to win that same money they should work/try harder. The money and sustainability should be the inspiration. It shouldn't have to come from Mike Morhaime. They are putting the money and tournament out there, the best will win it at the end of the day. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
On April 05 2013 06:37 Shiori wrote: Ditto. I wouldn't watch a single game if it were full foreigner. Same! No koreans --> It's sub-par gameplay except for maybe the semis and final. That said I prefer tournaments with a fair foreigner representation as well, just to give better story lines, english interviews, and similar stuff. I suppose you could find a golden ratio where the likelyhood of 1 or 2 foreigners making a good run is good without foreigner vs foreigner games dominating the stream  . | ||
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lolspoon
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:11 lolspoon wrote: Naniwa and Sase, say what you want, but these are the only 2 people that can make something happen out of foregners in the next year I'd reckon Stephano still has a chance to make something happen. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:27 shabby wrote: I'd reckon Stephano still has a chance to make something happen. Not as many opportunities though when you're in the USA (when I say that I mean more cracks at Koreans btw before someone tries to spin doctor that one). On April 05 2013 06:46 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yet DreamHack manages to be one of, if not the, most successful tournament without specifically catering to Koreans. DreamHack Winter had 4 Koreans, all on foreign teams (AKA, ones that would pay flight expenses), yet it had one of the highest viewer counts for 2012. Other factors like TV involvement btw MLG flew more than just Koreans so I don't get the pot shot. Ask any team including EG. They were all very thankful for the gesture shown by MLG. | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
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Agh
United States1105 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:49 pellejohnson wrote: All I can think of is what the fuck happened with Starcraft? Remember the BW days when players played to win and not just farm money in Europe/USA... One World Tour Circuit would be pretty awesome. Heck, it's in my manifesto. | ||
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Daogin
Canada2308 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2013 05:10 playa wrote: I think Mike Morhaime better be working 14 hours a day, every day, for at least a year, before he tries uttering that BS again, with a straight face, about "non Koreans need to try harder." Imagine working 10 hours a day and being shitted on because you're not as good as a Korean working 14 hours plus. That's a great fucking message to send. Non Koreans, if you want any money, spend 24/7 playing our game. Real inspirational and healthy. If non Koreans spent as much time practicing as they spent coming up with this format, we would all be plat at best. He is the CEO of Blizzard. I will be shocked if he doesn't work 60-80 hours a week. That's not a 9-5 job. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:11 lolspoon wrote: Naniwa and Sase, say what you want, but these are the only 2 people that can make something happen out of foregners in the next year + Show Spoiler [Acer Teamstory Cup spoilers] + Don't count out Mana, he's been on fire lately. He went 4 - 1 vs Axiom today. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:57 Daogin wrote: I don't really understand why people are being so judgemental about something that hasn't even gone on for more then a week, and is pretty much in a beta phase that is opted to change if needed. I guess you are another one of those people who didn't really read Wax's post. Anyway, I've already reiterated the main points several times like several others. The fact it's only the first week is irrelevant. Part of the uproar has to do with the fact the Koreans aren't playing on equal footing based on the format where you have to be in Code S. A lot of players aren't in Code S and this season (cannot even really call it the GSL anymore because the WCS pretty much replaced it with the same format) thus they aren't eligible if they're code A/B. Furthermore they would have to forfeit their positioning in the Code B/A to lock in a different region. Not only that, but code S is based on what they did in WoL. Yes, it's only beta. Yes, we don't have all the information on qualifier points. What did we get from this? Free Twitch stream with OGN English casts (sorry to those subscribers who feel cheated). GSL/OSL got replaced with WCS. The money in Korea got worse because as it stands there are less opportunities there now with only 3 seasons. Blizzard gave EU and NA a stimulus package by putting more money in those scenes. On April 05 2013 08:00 Plansix wrote: He is the CEO of Blizzard. I will be shocked if he doesn't work 60-80 hours a week. That's not a 9-5 job. Depends really. I know CEOs who play golf all day.  I'm pretty sure Mike doesn't play golf all day. I don't mind him being the face of the company, but his public speaking skills could use some improvement. | ||
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Daogin
Canada2308 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:11 StarStruck wrote: I guess you are another one of those people who didn't really read Wax's post. Anyway, I've already reiterated the main points several times like several others. The fact it's only the first week is irrelevant. Part of the uproar has to do with the fact the Koreans aren't playing on equal footing based on the format where you have to be in Code S. A lot of players aren't in Code S and this season (cannot even really call it the GSL anymore because the WCS pretty much replaced it with the same format) thus they aren't eligible if they're code A/B. Furthermore they would have to forfeit their positioning in the Code B/A to lock in a different region. Not only that, but code S is based on what they did in WoL. Yes, it's only beta. Yes, we don't have all the information on qualifier points. What did we get from this? Free Twitch stream with OGN English casts (sorry to those subscribers who feel cheated). GSL/OSL got replaced with WCS. The money in Korea got worse because as it stands there are less opportunities there now with only 3 seasons. Blizzard gave EU and NA a stimulus package by putting more money in those scenes. I did read it, just half awake and didn't comprehend the entire situation, but that does make more sense and obviously shows a bigger problem  , thank you for clarifying. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 05 2013 06:54 seoul_kiM wrote: You sound like a disgruntled lazy person. There's a reason why the people who work 4+ more hours take all the money. They work that much harder to win it. If the non-Koreans want to win that same money they should work/try harder. The money and sustainability should be the inspiration. It shouldn't have to come from Mike Morhaime. They are putting the money and tournament out there, the best will win it at the end of the day. Yeah, because there's definitely enough money in the scene to make working 14 plus hours a day worth it, on the off chance you can place high enough to win money in a top heavy event. The guy doesn't believe a word he says. He just had to do it to appease all of the tournament organizers, that's it. If you're expecting foreigners to put in BW Korean hours, say goodbye to foreigner gaming for good. I'd rather be "lazy" than forced to play a minimum of 14 hours a day. It's a game. It's not life. All of your waking hours spent working is stupid. There should be laws against that if there's not, already. All Blizzard is doing is promoting "entertainers," a euphemism for people that talk a lot. The only pro gamers should be personalities in such a format, because what difference does it make whether a "good" foreigner finishes after all the Koreans or a personality does? Losing is losing. I'm sure Mike Morhaime makes a lot of f'ing money, but if he started working 14 hours a day every day, even he would probably say f it. SC 2 isn't that great and the money isn't there. I'd just like to see him give it a go. See how great his wisdom is. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On April 05 2013 06:15 Plansix wrote: Thats to many tournaments in Korea for the players and weaken the already existing torments. GOM and OGN would not have gone for that. That still would have been less tournaments than they had in 2011 and 2012... | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:36 playa wrote: Yeah, because there's definitely enough money in the scene to make working 14 plus hours a day worth it, on the off chance you can place high enough to win money in a top heavy event. Yeah. I mean only ONE team can win the Superbowl, so why bother trying right? May as well just go ahead and stop training and playing NFL games on the OFF chance you make it there. Ridiculous. This is their life, and its something they chose to pursue. No one forced anyone to be a pro gamer, and no one said it was going to be a charity all the way, much like it was at the beginning of WoL. The guy doesn't believe a word he says. He just had to do it to appease all of the tournament organizers, that's it. If you're expecting foreigners to put in BW Korean hours, say goodbye to foreigner gaming for good. I'd rather be "lazy" than forced to play a minimum of 14 hours a day. It's a game. It's not life. All of your waking hours spent working is stupid. There should be laws against that if there's not, already. You'd rather be lazy that put in Korean hours. Thats probably why you're not a pro gamer. If you want to be the best in ANY field, you have to put a shitload of time into it. I mean you might want to consider that besides winning all that money, the game might be an end unto itself, and they might actually enjoy playing starcraft that much. As in, their leisure time is filled with starcraft anyways, because they're passionate about it. But sure, lets take your advice and limit Starcraft practice across the globe to 3 hours a day, just so you feel better about human rights. Ridiculous. All Blizzard is doing is promoting "entertainers," a euphemism for people that talk a lot. The only pro gamers should be personalities in such a format, because what difference does it make whether a "good" foreigner finishes after all the Koreans or a personality does? Losing is losing. Yeah this paragraph makes no sense, skipped it. I'm sure Mike Morhaime makes a lot of f'ing money, but if he started working 14 hours a day every day, even he would probably say f it. SC 2 isn't that great and the money isn't there. I'd just like to see him give it a go. See how great his wisdom is. Mike Morhaime has nothing to do with it. Stop using him as a scapegoat to protect foreigners who can't/won't play at the level of Koreans. | ||
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Daogin
Canada2308 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:36 playa wrote: Yeah, because there's definitely enough money in the scene to make working 14 plus hours a day worth it, on the off chance you can place high enough to win money in a top heavy event. The guy doesn't believe a word he says. He just had to do it to appease all of the tournament organizers, that's it. If you're expecting foreigners to put in BW Korean hours, say goodbye to foreigner gaming for good. I'd rather be "lazy" than forced to play a minimum of 14 hours a day. It's a game. It's not life. All of your waking hours spent working is stupid. There should be laws against that if there's not, already. All Blizzard is doing is promoting "entertainers," a euphemism for people that talk a lot. The only pro gamers should be personalities in such a format, because what difference does it make whether a "good" foreigner finishes after all the Koreans or a personality does? Losing is losing. I'm sure Mike Morhaime makes a lot of f'ing money, but if he started working 14 hours a day every day, even he would probably say f it. SC 2 isn't that great and the money isn't there. I'd just like to see him give it a go. See how great his wisdom is. How is that wisdom? just because people put 14 hours into the game to become good does not mean they are forcing themselves to put 14 hours into work. Though I don't know much about huge businesses and CEO's I highly doubt the Mike got to that position simply putting 8 standard hours a day 40 a week into his career, shit like that takes YEARS of dedication passion and hard work to pay off, in other words, a lot of your own waking hours. Not everyone works just to make money. | ||
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