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On April 06 2013 00:36 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote:On April 05 2013 23:38 howLiN wrote:
I thought you could still play in any non WCS tournament, like the MLG/IEM stops, DreamHacks, NASLs, Iron Squids, LoneStar Clashes, for WCS points? Yes, that is fact. It is unclear about the WCS points and if they would be regional, but I would doubt that. I don't really understand the problem then, because the only thing it was added were two GSL-like tournaments to the NA and the EU scenes. What's the big problem for Koreans then, given that they can still pretty much attend any tournament they want to just like in previous years?
They are upset that they need to wait several seasons if they aren't already in Code S. Someone in code B today couldn't compete in a regional season until season 3 because of the way GSL works. It is sort of sour grapes for people who already have a great thing in GSL that was only improved with more options and prize money.
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MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 
If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times....
So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so.
Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........
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On April 06 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:25 goiflin wrote:On April 06 2013 00:11 llIH wrote:Everyone envy Polt now? :D Funny he is one of the few with an education in his back pocket as well  He can see into the future! But I agree with the notion that many code-b players will attempt to qualify in NA. More than likely they won't bother with EU (and if they do, their latency will be god awful), but foreigners can beat, or at least, certainly COMPETE with code-b koreans. So I'm not so worried from the foreigner point of view... I'm more worried on the korean point of view. Like MC said, it's a really awful situation to be in, if you're not in code S. I'd be pissed if I was one of those players. My choices would be either exclusion from the first season or two while I try to claw my way into code S, or play on NA and pay my own way out there for the RO16. Considering most korean teams make shit salary (B teamers especially). And that we didn't see nearly as many koreans traveling abroad until tournaments started covering travel fees (IE: Their travel budget must be pretty slim), I don't know if I'd be ready to slap down 2k+ for air fare and hotel fees (from my own pocket) for a CHANCE at winning a tournament. I hope blizzard gets this stuff figured out for the next year. Having it be separate is so much better in every way. Also, the investment that a Korean player would need to compete in the NA is way less than an NA player would need to make to practice in Korea. Then the NA player would need to fly back to compete against Koreans in MLG. Plus, once a player gets to the round of 16 for NA, I am willing to be they can find someone to sponsor the trip to the regional finals.
While that may be true, that's neither here nor there, since no north american is going to try to qualify for the korean WCS, for many reasons besides the financial. And the ones that do are already situated in that region comfortably (IE: EG guys, Scarlett, etc.), or CAN be (teamliquid, other acer teammates, FXO), and won't have to pay a dime out of their pockets to get there.
But yeah, you're right. Blizzard is more than likely going to change stuff up so this works better next year. It'll be good from a spectator point of view regardless of the issues for players.
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On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........
This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below:
On April 05 2013 06:19 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 06:07 Abominous wrote:
Soccer analogy is just bad. Look at FIFAs world cup club competition, only one European club and we all know how dominant Europe is in soccer. (in terms of clubs)
Same goes for World Cup for national teams, only South America can cope with Europe, and European cup is considered a lot more difficult than the World Cup.
I just hope it remains this way and somehow they prevent Koreans from farming other regions.
my thoughts exactly. EU only gets one direct seed per qualification group for the World Cup. France/Spain should totally complain about it. I can totally understand the koreans being upset, but making a point with football is completely wrong, it is the sport where certain region gets fucked to reach better diversity
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On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below:
:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualification
Please don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe sends 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!!
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On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 06:19 disciple wrote:On April 05 2013 06:07 Abominous wrote:
Soccer analogy is just bad. Look at FIFAs world cup club competition, only one European club and we all know how dominant Europe is in soccer. (in terms of clubs)
Same goes for World Cup for national teams, only South America can cope with Europe, and European cup is considered a lot more difficult than the World Cup.
I just hope it remains this way and somehow they prevent Koreans from farming other regions.
my thoughts exactly. EU only gets one direct seed per qualification group for the World Cup. France/Spain should totally complain about it. I can totally understand the koreans being upset, but making a point with football is completely wrong, it is the sport where certain region gets fucked to reach better diversity
Europe has a shit-ton of qualification groups though. Other continents don't.
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On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!!
But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all.
But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end.
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On April 06 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!! But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all. But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end.
Duh.... 13 vs 4 dude! Please stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. Especially dont write about stuff you dont know. That's just annoying. How many soccer tournaments you have even watched? In sports your previous success counts. North America =/= Korea. This is unfair.
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On April 06 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!! But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all. But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end.
I think the point is that a global competition should have representation from all over the world. Nobody has a problem with that. What people have a problem with is that this representation isn't taking into account the OBVIOUS disparity in competitors. And please, do tell: what regions shouldn't be allowed to send a team at all? Do you even watch soccer? There are teams from every continent that have progressed deep enough into the World Cup to be considered relevant competitors.
It's kinda like the Champions League: they use a coefficient to allot slots to each country in order that everyone gets some representation but leagues with multiple high-level contenders don't get screwed by having to select only one. The point of a global world championship is to find the best player in the world. Naturally this means there need to be qualifiers everywhere, but if there are 15 competitive players in Korea who all have a shot at the title, it makes more sense for the Korean region to be allotted more slots than, say, the African region.
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On April 06 2013 01:57 foxmulder_ms wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!! But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all. But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end. Duh.... 13 vs 4 dude! Please stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. Especially dont write about stuff you dont know. That's just annoying. How many soccer tournaments you have even watched? In sports your previous success counts. North America =/= Korea. This is unfair.
All right I will concede the soccer point because I lack the personal knowledge to back it up. However, other people in the thread have said it is an improper analogy.
So you are saying at the end of every season, NA should only get to send 2 players because we have worse players? How does that help anyone but the area that is given more slots? The WCS system isn't about being fair, its about growing the competition in specific areas. The Korean players have received enough advantages from MLG over the last year and a half that were totally unfair, like special brackets for them and Kespa players, free flights and seeds into the groups stage. I didn't see anyone sticking up for the NA players then saying it was unfair. Or when MLG created an entire tournament just to make sure the Kespa players could be seeded into groups and avoid the open bracket. No one complained when that BS was floated in front of us like it was somehow fair to the people diving through the open bracket.
Just because NA players get the same number of slots does not mean the system is unfair. If Korean players want more slots, they can sign up for NA this year.
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I'm fine with the slot allocation, since the aim is to help grow NA/EU rather than be a true World Championship. The skill pool for GSL / Korea WCS is probaly going to be higher than the actual WCS Final.
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On April 06 2013 00:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:36 howLiN wrote:On April 05 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote:On April 05 2013 23:38 howLiN wrote:
I thought you could still play in any non WCS tournament, like the MLG/IEM stops, DreamHacks, NASLs, Iron Squids, LoneStar Clashes, for WCS points? Yes, that is fact. It is unclear about the WCS points and if they would be regional, but I would doubt that. I don't really understand the problem then, because the only thing it was added were two GSL-like tournaments to the NA and the EU scenes. What's the big problem for Koreans then, given that they can still pretty much attend any tournament they want to just like in previous years? They are upset that they need to wait several seasons if they aren't already in Code S. Someone in code B today couldn't compete in a regional season until season 3 because of the way GSL works. It is sort of sour grapes for people who already have a great thing in GSL that was only improved with more options and prize money.
Well, they couldn't before if they weren't able to qualify into Code A so there's really virtually no difference.
The only thing that can be pointed out is how there's no GSL and OSL running simultaneously anymore, but considering OSL only had one SC2 season so far that hardly matters.
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On April 06 2013 02:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:57 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!! But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all. But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end. Duh.... 13 vs 4 dude! Please stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. Especially dont write about stuff you dont know. That's just annoying. How many soccer tournaments you have even watched? In sports your previous success counts. North America =/= Korea. This is unfair. All right I will concede the soccer point because I lack the personal knowledge to back it up. However, other people in the thread have said it is an improper analogy. So you are saying at the end of every season, NA should only get to send 2 players because we have worse players? How does that help anyone but the area that is given more slots? The WCS system isn't about being fair, its about growing the competition in specific areas. The Korean players have received enough advantages from MLG over the last year and a half that were totally unfair, like special brackets for them and Kespa players, free flights and seeds into the groups stage. I didn't see anyone sticking up for the NA players then saying it was unfair. Or when MLG created an entire tournament just to make sure the Kespa players could be seeded into groups and avoid the open bracket. No one complained when that BS was floated in front of us like it was somehow fair to the people diving through the open bracket. Just because NA players get the same number of slots does not mean the system is unfair. If Korean players want more slots, they can sign up for NA this year.
Pretty sure everyone complained about the separate KeSPA bracket. Nobody complained about Koreans getting seeds to MLG events because they a) deserved them and b) were generally awarded based on prior MLG performance and/or GSL performance. It wasn't like MLG just picked 5 random Koreans. And how has this been unfair to NA? NA has a smaller pool of talent, ergo they should receive fewer invites. It's pretty simple.
Asking Koreans to sign up for NA is pretty stupid if you consider that there are a tonne of Code A/S players who want to be playing in the GSL but also have the skill to be a contender for WCS. It doesn't make sense that a continent whose best players aren't even on par with some of the lower end Code S players is getting equal representation in the finals. Can you imagine if Fifa decided to take Europe's berths and spread them out to NA, Africa, and Asia? There would be fucking riots in the streets because it's so retarded.
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You can not have a fair tournament based on region or race. Why would I want to watch Americans or Europeans play if I knew that they replaced Koreans who would've been there , based on skill, if allowed to be there. I'd rather see 100% Koreans in all tournaments if they could win all of the qualifiers rather than this affermitive action be.
This phoney competition only cheapens the game as a sport. People se through the manipulations of the competitive scene. Teenagers might like seeing homegrown competitors, but I don't watch anything but GSL presisely because everything else is minor league. Now its all phoney. A big *
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On April 06 2013 03:01 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 01:57 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 01:48 foxmulder_ms wrote:On April 06 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 06 2013 00:46 foxmulder_ms wrote:MC is 100% right and this is really unfair for Koreans. "Let the best win" is history in SC2 If wee look what is going on in other sports, it will be obvious what blizzard did is unfair. A good example will be Champions league in Europe for soccer. This is an international tournament and as it name implies it is a tournament where champions from each country attend to be the "European champion of champions". Now, the crucial bit is not every country is equal some countries send their top 4-5 teams from their own national league such as England, Spain, Italy whereas countries like Romania can only send their national champion, i.e. a single team. Why? Because no Romanian team did well in champions league so their country points is very low compared to Spain where Real Madrid and Barcelona won like 15 times.... So, in my opinion, Korea should be able to send 5 people to world wide tournament whereas US should send only 2 or so. Or it can be like tennis, where each tournament gives a certain point to players but some tournaments are grand slams (GSL) but some are just 1000 point events, some are 500 point events........ This argument has already been brought up and it has been pointed out that soccer is the worst example to say why the WCS is bad. I use the quote below: :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_qualificationPlease don't write about subjects you don't know. It is same case for World Cup with Champions league. Europe send 13 teams whereas Asia sends only 4 teams. !!!!! But they still get to send teams, even though they are terrible by comparison. In fact, there are some regions who shouldn't be able to send a team at all. But the World Championship(at the end of the year) is determined by points alone. Region doesn't factor in when at the end. Duh.... 13 vs 4 dude! Please stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. Especially dont write about stuff you dont know. That's just annoying. How many soccer tournaments you have even watched? In sports your previous success counts. North America =/= Korea. This is unfair. All right I will concede the soccer point because I lack the personal knowledge to back it up. However, other people in the thread have said it is an improper analogy. So you are saying at the end of every season, NA should only get to send 2 players because we have worse players? How does that help anyone but the area that is given more slots? The WCS system isn't about being fair, its about growing the competition in specific areas. The Korean players have received enough advantages from MLG over the last year and a half that were totally unfair, like special brackets for them and Kespa players, free flights and seeds into the groups stage. I didn't see anyone sticking up for the NA players then saying it was unfair. Or when MLG created an entire tournament just to make sure the Kespa players could be seeded into groups and avoid the open bracket. No one complained when that BS was floated in front of us like it was somehow fair to the people diving through the open bracket. Just because NA players get the same number of slots does not mean the system is unfair. If Korean players want more slots, they can sign up for NA this year. Pretty sure everyone complained about the separate KeSPA bracket. Nobody complained about Koreans getting seeds to MLG events because they a) deserved them and b) were generally awarded based on prior MLG performance and/or GSL performance. It wasn't like MLG just picked 5 random Koreans. And how has this been unfair to NA? NA has a smaller pool of talent, ergo they should receive fewer invites. It's pretty simple. Asking Koreans to sign up for NA is pretty stupid if you consider that there are a tonne of Code A/S players who want to be playing in the GSL but also have the skill to be a contender for WCS. It doesn't make sense that a continent whose best players aren't even on par with some of the lower end Code S players is getting equal representation in the finals. Can you imagine if Fifa decided to take Europe's berths and spread them out to NA, Africa, and Asia? There would be fucking riots in the streets because it's so retarded.
If SC2 were a completely established scene with a robust base to support growth in each region, like soccer, I would agree with you. But it isn’t . There is literally nothing for NA to compete for at this point that is even mildly obtainable. It isn’t NA fault the GSL is stacked and has so much talent that they are literally overflowing with players and its not the job of the WCS to provide “welfare”(to use the language commonly used for seeds for NA players) slots for Korean players in code A and B.
The reason I get so irritated about this issue is that people come out of the woodwork when a single Korean player complaints about some rule that doesn’t benefit them. But if an NA player complaints about something, the community just says “practice harder and qualify for code S”. MLG was bending over backward to seed players into the group stages and people are ok with it. But Nani’wa and Stephano receive seeds into the GSL and people refer to them as welfare seeds, even though Nani’wa got to the round of 8 twice.
Leagues bend over backwards to make sure that some Korean players have all expensive paid trips, can qualify from Korea in their own bracket and are seeded directly into groups stage and its fine because they are so skilled. But NA gets the same number of slots as Korea and suddenly the world is an unfair place and the Koreans are being screwed over.
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On April 05 2013 00:50 Nuclease wrote:
Gotta agree with MC. Everything about this format is SO AMAZING until you find out that any Korean player can just fly over here and whoop every poor American's ass. Shouldn't be this way.
Yes it should be this way. Are you going to force me to buy a domestic car when I really want a superior import. If you don't like the koreans winning, get better. Take your affermative action elsewhere.
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MC is spot on.
But we all know how well Blizzard handles (constructive) criticism... so I dont expect anything to change.
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On April 06 2013 03:17 Scotch111 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 00:50 Nuclease wrote:
Gotta agree with MC. Everything about this format is SO AMAZING until you find out that any Korean player can just fly over here and whoop every poor American's ass. Shouldn't be this way. Yes it should be this way. Are you going to force me to buy a domestic car when I really want a superior import. If you don't like the koreans winning, get better. Take your affermative action elsewhere.
I am for this. End welfare seeds to MLG for Korean players from rich teams that can afford to fly them to there.
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I wish the regions would just get locked. So people who want to watch shitty gameplay from Idra and Goswser because they're native English speakers can stick to that, thus filtering them out from the pool of really good Korean players.
If I had it my way. It'd be 48 spots in the finals, 47 to Koreans, and 1 to the best foreigner. That way only somebody that can actually beat Koreans like Naniwa or MaNa would make it.
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On April 06 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 03:17 Scotch111 wrote:On April 05 2013 00:50 Nuclease wrote:
Gotta agree with MC. Everything about this format is SO AMAZING until you find out that any Korean player can just fly over here and whoop every poor American's ass. Shouldn't be this way. Yes it should be this way. Are you going to force me to buy a domestic car when I really want a superior import. If you don't like the koreans winning, get better. Take your affermative action elsewhere. I am for this. End welfare seeds to MLG for Korean players from rich teams that can afford to fly them to there.
Plansix this thread is feeding you posts ):<
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