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WCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 104

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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
April 03 2013 15:43 GMT
#2061
Blizzard going big in 2013.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
April 03 2013 15:44 GMT
#2062
On April 04 2013 00:39 scoobex wrote:
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On April 04 2013 00:34 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?


You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot.

yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great!

Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.


So you always root for the person who has higher skill?


No. That's also not at all what I wrote. It's just that race and nationality are not a factor.


If i don't know anything about a sport i try to pick a something i can relate to, nationality is often that similarity.


I know that nationality is a big factor. People kill each other because of it every day. I'm just saying that not everyone is like this.
GattAttack
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Canada202 Posts
April 03 2013 15:44 GMT
#2063
On April 04 2013 00:42 StarVe wrote:
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On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.

For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.

The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.

Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.


I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.


They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).

Look at any online result. Even if it's on NA, KR almost always beat NA players and even EU players defeat their NA opponents most of the time despite the server disadvantage. It might even be viable for EU players to switch to NA, haha.


I swear I always get worse lag on the EU server than on the KR server for some reason lol.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2013 15:45 GMT
#2064
On April 04 2013 00:42 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.

For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.

The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.

Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.


I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.


They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).

Look at any online result. Even if it's on NA, KR almost always beat NA players and even EU players often defeat their NA opponents despite the server disadvantage. It might even be viable for EU players to switch to NA, haha.


That was in WoL, not HotS. I don't know how you deal with speed medivacs, widow mines or oracles with over 200 ping. I think its going to be a bigger factor this time around.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
April 03 2013 15:46 GMT
#2065
On April 04 2013 00:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:42 StarVe wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.

For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.

The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.

Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.


I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.


They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).

Look at any online result. Even if it's on NA, KR almost always beat NA players and even EU players often defeat their NA opponents despite the server disadvantage. It might even be viable for EU players to switch to NA, haha.


That was in WoL, not HotS. I don't know how you deal with speed medivacs, widow mines or oracles with over 200 ping. I think its going to be a bigger factor this time around.

You severely underestimate the mechanical difference between Korean and foreign players.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 03 2013 15:46 GMT
#2066
no proleague points? how will this play out with the teams
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 03 2013 15:48 GMT
#2067
On April 04 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:35 sitromit wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.

For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.

The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.

Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.


I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.


They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_4/Main_Bracket

This is how much lag stops Koreans from dominating foreigners.


We will see, it was a huge problem for MLG. If the games are cast live, that will make a big difference as well, since the games are shown in prime time NA.


I really think think that these concerns won't pan out. I just don't think the Koreans are going to come to participate in the NA qualifiers simply because there will be pressure to compete in the KR one. As we have seen from the KR scene, eSF and KeSPA can be very controlling, I'm sure there will be an impetus to stay; Just like the practice ban put on SlayerS earlier, there doesn't have to be a monetary reason, there can be a use of cultural norms to keep Koreans playing against Koreans or the use of social responsibilities to do such a thing. This is of course assuming a lot since this may not happen of course. I do think that even if a bunch of B-teamers came over here, that would force the NA players to get better and practice harder which is something that would be great for the NA scene, but would make it harder for people to join the proscene in general.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12054 Posts
April 03 2013 15:48 GMT
#2068
On April 04 2013 00:46 oneofthem wrote:
no proleague points? how will this play out with the teams


WCS isn't a team thing so it won't. Proleague and GSTL will carry on as they always have.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2013 15:49 GMT
#2069
On April 04 2013 00:46 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:42 StarVe wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.

For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.

The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.

Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.


I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.


They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).

Look at any online result. Even if it's on NA, KR almost always beat NA players and even EU players often defeat their NA opponents despite the server disadvantage. It might even be viable for EU players to switch to NA, haha.


That was in WoL, not HotS. I don't know how you deal with speed medivacs, widow mines or oracles with over 200 ping. I think its going to be a bigger factor this time around.

You severely underestimate the mechanical difference between Korean and foreign players.


Maybe, I could be wrong. The evidence does seem to show that the lag is not as bad as most players say. We will have to see how many players make the switch over to NA.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 03 2013 15:50 GMT
#2070
On April 04 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?


You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot.

yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great!

Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.


So you always root for the person who has higher skill?


With that logic, some years I would have had to root for the Yankees, which is something my brain cannot process.
you can root for them this year without hurting your brain
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2013 15:51 GMT
#2071
On April 04 2013 00:50 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?


You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot.

yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great!

Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.


So you always root for the person who has higher skill?


With that logic, some years I would have had to root for the Yankees, which is something my brain cannot process.
you can root for them this year without hurting your brain

No that goes against the very fiber of my being. I cannot cheer for that team ever. There are only two team I cheer for, the Red Sox and the team that eliminates the Yankees.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 03 2013 15:53 GMT
#2072
Can't wait for more information to come out :D
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 15:56:48
April 03 2013 15:55 GMT
#2073
On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
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On April 03 2013 23:59 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:52 opterown wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:40 Incomplet wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:33 opterown wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:30 Incomplet wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:26 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 03 2013 23:17 Incomplet wrote:
I've never quite understood the phobia people have of Korean dominance.

Because you cant relate to the person? Get to know them! Read their interviews, check out their liquidpedias, and go watch the bloody GSL, I guarantee you that this will the best well spent money you have ever spent!

Or is it because of the Koreans have no personality stereotype? 5 mins of searching through google or TL will prove yourself wrong. It's not hard to find a funny GIF of a Korean doing silly celebrations which no foreigners have never dared do in the public eye.

Or is it mindless patriotism for their country folks? C'mon this is a computer game, are you really liking a certain player because he merely from the same country as you? Who cares about that, don't let patriotism / racism cloud your judgement of what truly entertaining and skilllful sc2 games are.

Koreans already dominate the scene as it is, in the worse case scenario, nothing will change and the dominance will continue. But maybe, just MAYBE, this could help give that motivational push to drive the foreign players to work harder. At the very least, rather than giving in to your reflex action to automatically dismiss all drastic changes in defence, just let it play out for a bit before passing judgement.


Lol @ bringing the racism word into discussions about people rooting for their own country rather than Koreans. It's called being a fan, you choose your favorite, usually based on proximity, and root for them rather than rooting for whoever has the most skill from month to month. It's only natural to have pride about where you're from, and its just unintelligent to use the word racism here.


Proud losers. In sc2, it would make more sense to barrack for someone who impresses you with their play style or personality. Not what country they are bloody from. Despicable.

I think it's perfectly fair to root for your own country's players, especially if you're a fairly casual viewer. kind of like in the olympics. in general, you root for your country, not for the personalities of individual athletes etc


This is not the Olympics though.
Of course I understand what I say will not change the fact people will mindlessly barrack for their own country no matter the sport. But I still find it disgusting that the mindless sheep will always just follow what is familiar to them with no sense of autonomy what so ever to make a rational decision on what is truly important in the characteristics of each player.

I think it definitely helps with the storyline e.g. WCS EU had players from pretty much every EU country there and it would be fun seeing all the dutch cheer for grubby, the germans for socke, etc. i don't think it's bad to have nationalism, as it gets the fans invested in players, which is a good thing for the scene.


storyline................like wrestling? /lol

Why do you even enjoy watching starcraft? During a super high level match like Life vs Flash at the last MLG, does anyone actually go hey - they are from korea, let's not cheer for them or w/e. No. And the whole nationalism bs is nothing short of retarded. What if it's an European born Korean that's really good? I already know your answer, see, it's simply mindless! So, essentially, it all boils down to where the players' parents had sex and gave birth to them.

Now, why would any sane person care where the players' parents chose to have sex? It has absolutely nothing to do with starcraft, at all.

Support the players, don't mindless support where the player is from.


With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?

I've been a Fnatic fan since I saw a documentary about them back in 2008. I supported their Counter-Strike team, their Call of Duty team, their Warcraft III team, and their Quake players, so yes, now I like SaSe and Swedish players in general because of that. Should I not support them because they are not as good as Life or Flash? I love seeing Life and Flash, but I'd rather see SaSe winning a tournament. It's not stupid, everyone has their preferences.


I think you are missing the point entirely. Like some other people also mentioned. This is an individual sport, and you cannot simply compare one single player to a whole national team; then who would Koreans cheer for in GSL? Every single one of them is Korean......... if two chess players from your hometown get in the finals, who would you root for now? Do you go by who lives closer to you? or do you just root for both of them? Don't be ridiculous! That logic is simply flawed and stupid.

Thus my point - In an individual league scenario, support the players not mindlessly support where their parents chose to have sex. It's simply irrational. If it's a Kr national sc2 team vs French national sc2 team, sure, whatever you said works, but not here.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 15:56:40
April 03 2013 15:56 GMT
#2074
On April 03 2013 22:17 Qikz wrote:
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On April 03 2013 22:14 Butterednuts wrote:
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that.

They have to pay for all their own travel, so it'll cost them lots.
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On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.


you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best


I'd argue that the Premier League is the most prestigious in Football.


I'm sorry this is off topic but I can't stop laughing at this. Champions League RO8 has no English teams (because they all got smashed) and somehow the Premier League is still more prestigious than the Champions League? Just because. Not because of level of play. Just because.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 03 2013 15:57 GMT
#2075
i have to wonder if you guys have nothing else to do with your lives. who gives a fuck what anyone's reasoning for cheering for a player/team/whatever are? live, let live and shut the fuck up.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
April 03 2013 15:59 GMT
#2076
On April 04 2013 00:56 d00p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:17 Qikz wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:14 Butterednuts wrote:
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that.

They have to pay for all their own travel, so it'll cost them lots.
On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.


you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best


I'd argue that the Premier League is the most prestigious in Football.


I'm sorry this is off topic but I can't stop laughing at this. Champions League RO8 has no English teams (because they all got smashed) and somehow the Premier League is still more prestigious than the Champions League? Just because. Not because of level of play. Just because.


In Champion's League, the better country has more Champions League slots. Going by the disparity of skill between Korea and NA, NA should receive 0 slots or 1 at the most.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 03 2013 16:01 GMT
#2077
On April 04 2013 00:57 Schelim wrote:
i have to wonder if you guys have nothing else to do with your lives. who gives a fuck what anyone's reasoning for cheering for a player/team/whatever are? live, let live and shut the fuck up.


i have to wonder if you have nothing else to do with your life. who gives a fuck what anyone's reasoning for not cheering for a player/team/whatever are? live, let live and shut the fuck up.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10126 Posts
April 03 2013 16:02 GMT
#2078
IDK is this has been said but TL only says NA, that is USA, Mexico and Canada so no South America? or NA=AM in this thread? im really concerned about this
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 03 2013 16:04 GMT
#2079
On April 04 2013 01:02 Topin wrote:
IDK is this has been said but TL only says NA, that is USA, Mexico and Canada so no South America? or NA=AM in this thread? im really concerned about this


players are free to choose the region they would like to participate in, so anyone can sign up anywhere.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3815 Posts
April 03 2013 16:04 GMT
#2080
On April 04 2013 00:56 d00p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:17 Qikz wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:14 Butterednuts wrote:
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that.

They have to pay for all their own travel, so it'll cost them lots.
On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.


you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best


I'd argue that the Premier League is the most prestigious in Football.


I'm sorry this is off topic but I can't stop laughing at this. Champions League RO8 has no English teams (because they all got smashed) and somehow the Premier League is still more prestigious than the Champions League? Just because. Not because of level of play. Just because.


Just because the Ro8 doesn't have English teams it doesn't mean that the premier league in general is the league with the highest level of play, even among the low level teams. Also the league with the most money spent
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