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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:02 Topin wrote: IDK is this has been said but TL only says NA, that is USA, Mexico and Canada so no South America? or NA=AM in this thread? im really concerned about this south americans can play in WCS NA. they can play anywhere, actually. | ||
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Topin
Peru10055 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:05 opterown wrote: south americans can play in WCS NA. they can play anywhere, actually. i guess i didnt thought in that possibility xD thx | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
The scenarios as I see it: Top level Koreans overreact and all go to NA/EUR - competition doesn't get a whole lot easier because they all just moved to a different region to compete against each other. In fact this probably means an all korean finals because I can't really seeing someone from NA/EUR making the same switch. Top level Koreans scatter somewhat evenly. The talent pool in the Korean pool drops slightly but raises significantly at the top in the other regions. Hopefully this also results in the two other regions getting better practice against the best in the world and we see a vast improvement in the performance of some foreigners. Hardly anyone moves - things stay pretty much exactly how they are. It's hard for me to believe this will be a net negative, basically. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
While it is true in those team games (football, etc..) that there is a lot of national pride on the line. It is not as true in SC2....There are plenty of reasons to cheer (even if the players are all korean or any other nationality). How about people cheering for their race to win (z, t, p)? How about their favorite player, or team? How about just cheering for the underdog? Or cheering for someone because you want them to face the next person? Or maybe just for the love of seeing a good game? While cheering for ones nationality is great there are many other reasons to cheer. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:05 opterown wrote: south americans can play in WCS NA. they can play anywhere, actually. Anyone can play anywhere  | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:08 Prplppleatr wrote: Nationality isn't the only thing that might get people to cheer. While it is true in those team games (football, etc..) that there is a lot of national pride on the line. It is not as true in SC2....There are plenty of reasons to cheer (even if the players are all korean or any other nationality). How about people cheering for their race to win (z, t, p)? How about their favorite player, or team? How about just cheering for the underdog? Or cheering for someone because you want them to face the next person? Or maybe just for the love of seeing a good game? While cheering for ones nationality is great there are many other reasons to cheer. we were talking in context of a casual viewer though, who doesn't know all that much about a scene but checked out some games since a friend recommended it, or they saw a link on twitter, etc. those guys are probably the ones where nationality matters the most. as you learn more about the scene, nationality matters less and less | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:06 Fries wrote: Think people are really overreacting about this format. The scenarios as I see it: Top level Koreans overreact and all go to NA/EUR - competition doesn't get a whole lot easier because they all just moved to a different region to compete against each other. In fact this probably means an all korean finals because I can't really seeing someone from NA/EUR making the same switch. Top level Koreans scatter somewhat evenly. The talent pool in the Korean pool drops slightly but raises significantly at the top in the other regions. Hopefully this also results in the two other regions getting better practice against the best in the world and we see a vast improvement in the performance of some foreigners. Hardly anyone moves - things stay pretty much exactly how they are. It's hard for me to believe this will be a net negative, basically. If I understand it correctly, they do not need to move to NA/EUR to compete in their respective online qualifiers, | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:10 opterown wrote: we were talking in context of a casual viewer though, who doesn't know all that much about a scene but checked out some games since a friend recommended it, or they saw a link on twitter, etc. those guys are probably the ones where nationality matters the most. as you learn more about the scene, nationality matters less and less Apparently we have different assumptions..I was assuming that a casual viewer was someone who at least has some idea of the game (vs someone who is seeing the game for the first time..which i would call a new viewer), like the races are zerg, terran, and protoss. But yes, I agree. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:10 JustPassingBy wrote: If I understand it correctly, they do not need to move to NA/EUR to compete in their respective online qualifiers, But they would have to be on site if they reach the Ro16, as those will be held offline at studios. And they (or their teams) would have to pay for their flights themselves. It's still not clear whether the Ro16 in WCS America and WCS Europe will be spaced out over several days/weeks, but if that will be the case, I'm sure you can conclude what that will mean. Also, they will be locked for an entire year with the region they choose and will then not be able to compete in the other regions for WCS (i.e. GSL/OSL for Korea). | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote: So you always root for the person who has higher skill? No, that's even more retarded... You simply root for the player you like. For instance, you may like Thorzain's spoon terran style over MKP's super aggressive style, so when they meet in a match, you root for Thorzain. Or if you like MC's ceremony style and like his character, you root for MC. Is this really that hard to understand? | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:15 Proseat wrote: But they would have to be on site if they reach the Ro16, as those will be held offline at studios. And they (or their teams) would have to pay for their flights themselves. It's still not clear whether the Ro16 in WCS America and WCS Europe will be spaced out over several days/weeks, but if that will be the case, I'm sure you can conclude what that will mean. Also, they will be locked for an entire year with the region they choose and will then not be able to compete in the other regions for WCS (i.e. GSL/OSL for Korea). Are you sure about that? Because I tried searching that point earlier and I couldn't find it | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:15 Proseat wrote: But they would have to be on site if they reach the Ro16, as those will be held offline at studios. And they (or their teams) would have to pay for their flights themselves. It's still not clear whether the Ro16 in WCS America and WCS Europe will be spaced out over several days/weeks, but if that will be the case, I'm sure you can conclude what that will mean. Also, they will be locked for an entire year with the region they choose and will then not be able to compete in the other regions for WCS (i.e. GSL/OSL for Korea). I don't think it is safe to assume that those are going to be done in a single weekend, or even on a weekend. | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:10 opterown wrote: we were talking in context of a casual viewer though, who doesn't know all that much about a scene but checked out some games since a friend recommended it, or they saw a link on twitter, etc. those guys are probably the ones where nationality matters the most. as you learn more about the scene, nationality matters less and less Browsing through these forums for the past decade or so, I'm pretty certain most people do cheer for players from their home country a damn lot, not only the casual viewers. The few guys here refuting such are definitely the exception, not the rule. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
I bought the yearly ticket for GSL and it would feel strange if the GSL games suddenly were free in 720p for everyone. Also, it would feel a bit strange if suddenly I got way fewer games then I paid for. I am sure someone has answered this in the thread, but it is 105 pages long  | ||
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:18 dacimvrl wrote: No, that's even more retarded... You simply root for the player you like. For instance, you may like Thorzain's spoon terran style over MKP's super aggressive style, so when they meet in a match, you root for Thorzain. Or if you like MC's ceremony style and like his character, you root for MC. Is this really that hard to understand? I root for Flash because he's God and also Mvp because me liky him very very much. O and also Innovation and S(e)exking xD. I don't root for Grubby though we live in the same country. Btw I'm not a white dude, but I do root for Kas. Yh people who root for players because of their passport.... sigh. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:06 Fries wrote: Hardly anyone moves - things stay pretty much exactly how they are. It's hard for me to believe this will be a net negative, basically. Except that we have 2 GSLs and 1 OSL instead of 3 and 2. That's a net negative of two top level leagues. On April 04 2013 01:18 dacimvrl wrote: No, that's even more retarded... You simply root for the player you like. For instance, you may like Thorzain's spoon terran style over MKP's super aggressive style, so when they meet in a match, you root for Thorzain. Or if you like MC's ceremony style and like his character, you root for MC. Is this really that hard to understand? That is exactly what I'm talking about. Real life examples: I like MKP because I was fascinated by his army control in the first GSL. I like qxc because he seems to be a cool dude and I enjoy watching his stream. I like InnoVation because he's amazingly good. I don't give a shit about the fact that they're Korean and American, respectively. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:22 JustPassingBy wrote: Are you sure about that? Because I tried searching that point earlier and I couldn't find it http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325 [...] Players must commit to one WCS league at the beginning of the year and cannot change region after, but can compete in any non-WCS events in any region. Each regional league season will run for 8-10 weeks, with all games played on weekdays in a consistent schedule. This will allow players to travel internationally to non-WCS events on weekends. Non-WCS events cannot run events on the same weekend as WCS events. Non-WCS events will be given as of yet undetermined amount of points. [...] All matches in Korea will be played in studio through GomTV's StarLeague or OnGameNet's StarLeague, while North America and Europe will play Online until the top 16 players. Those top 16 players will compete in a studio environment to determine the best five players in each region. Five players from each region will then compete in the Season 1 finals event, with one additional player to come from the host continent for 16 players total. They will compete for an undermined amount of points. Each continent will get one finals event this year in the size of an event similar to one at GSL, MLG, or ESL. [...] The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly different in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best of one format. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:18 dacimvrl wrote: No, that's even more retarded... You simply root for the player you like. For instance, you may like Thorzain's spoon terran style over MKP's super aggressive style, so when they meet in a match, you root for Thorzain. Or if you like MC's ceremony style and like his character, you root for MC. Is this really that hard to understand? The Pope plays SC2 ! :D | ||
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Wampaibist
United States478 Posts
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