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To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.
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On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great!
Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.
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On April 04 2013 00:20 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:18 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:14 Proseat wrote:
Korea is a special case where GSL/OSL will be WCS Korea themselves. And thus foreigners can only compete in these Korean leagues if they stick with the Korean leg of WCS for an entire year (and then cannot compete in WCS Europe or WCS America, but still can go to non-WCS tournaments). Will GSL and OSL do additional leagues or did they just cut half of their content? the impression i get is that it's being cut ;; That would suck pretty hard. I hope I can at least get my money back.
GOM's global producer, gomchung, posted the following on reddit regarding GSL tickets and the new free 720p:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1bk4rk/fuck_slasher_give_me_the_karma/c97egpj
Also, the teamleagues, GSTL and Proleague, will still be around (different ticket for the former, I know).
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On April 04 2013 00:20 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:06 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 23:58 Incomplet wrote:On April 03 2013 23:49 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 23:40 Incomplet wrote:On April 03 2013 23:33 opterown wrote:On April 03 2013 23:30 Incomplet wrote:On April 03 2013 23:26 Doodsmack wrote:On April 03 2013 23:17 Incomplet wrote:
I've never quite understood the phobia people have of Korean dominance.
Because you cant relate to the person? Get to know them! Read their interviews, check out their liquidpedias, and go watch the bloody GSL, I guarantee you that this will the best well spent money you have ever spent!
Or is it because of the Koreans have no personality stereotype? 5 mins of searching through google or TL will prove yourself wrong. It's not hard to find a funny GIF of a Korean doing silly celebrations which no foreigners have never dared do in the public eye.
Or is it mindless patriotism for their country folks? C'mon this is a computer game, are you really liking a certain player because he merely from the same country as you? Who cares about that, don't let patriotism / racism cloud your judgement of what truly entertaining and skilllful sc2 games are.
Koreans already dominate the scene as it is, in the worse case scenario, nothing will change and the dominance will continue. But maybe, just MAYBE, this could help give that motivational push to drive the foreign players to work harder. At the very least, rather than giving in to your reflex action to automatically dismiss all drastic changes in defence, just let it play out for a bit before passing judgement. Lol @ bringing the racism word into discussions about people rooting for their own country rather than Koreans. It's called being a fan, you choose your favorite, usually based on proximity, and root for them rather than rooting for whoever has the most skill from month to month. It's only natural to have pride about where you're from, and its just unintelligent to use the word racism here. Proud losers. In sc2, it would make more sense to barrack for someone who impresses you with their play style or personality. Not what country they are bloody from. Despicable. I think it's perfectly fair to root for your own country's players, especially if you're a fairly casual viewer. kind of like in the olympics. in general, you root for your country, not for the personalities of individual athletes etc This is not the Olympics though. Of course I understand what I say will not change the fact people will mindlessly barrack for their own country no matter the sport. But I still find it disgusting that the mindless sheep will always just follow what is familiar to them with no sense of autonomy what so ever to make a rational decision on what is truly important in the characteristics of each player. You are over generalizing the scene and the reasons why people want local leagues and tournaments in an effort to make your argument of racism. People don’t care about the race of the player, because there are Asian players in NA that we cheer for(Suppy). People want a league for NA in the style of GSL, on at a reasonable time and with the option for local players to attempt to compete in that event. People do not care about who plays as much as they want the option for players to play in their region, rather than fly to Korea. We don’t care were people are from, but we want an open league like the GSL that allows for players to compete locally. After that, the community really doesn’t care who shows up to qualify. While I understand your POV. Unfortunately the majority of critism is directed at the potential further Korean dominance. Spoon feeding foreign players into the finals is not going to help in the long run, throwing them in the deep end and telling them, train harder until you can keep up us how you do it. Most of the players are adults and they need to treated like adults. And as an adult, you realise the results you obtain have a direct correlation to the effort you put in. No, demanding that NA players fly to Korea to train for a year just to become good enough to win a single NA event will just kill the NA scene. There is no reason for a new player to come into the scene if they need to get signed to a team with the ability to send him to Korea for a year or more. And that new player will never get signed to a team, because the chances of them winning a major event against top Korean are so low its not worth trying. There is no entry level, so there is no growth. Having one dominant region does nothing for the growth of the game for scene and there is no reason to support a region that is already winning and viable. It will only stifle growth and prevent new people from coming to the scene. Blizzard has not reason to do that, as they want the game to be successful everywhere. I think you have gravely mistaken my point. This new WCS will give more incentive for foreigners to stay in the US or EU to compete for this new source of income. The fact that there should be an influx of Code A/B Koreans will up the skill bar and drive them to work harder within their own respective country.
Well then we agree. I also think that the number of Korean players that come over will only help players improve, because it won't be a huge number. They won't need to deal with all GSL Code S players and a full Kespa team, but a few top level players who decided that NA was the place to be. If anything, I think players will fight harder on all levels to qualify. Boot camping in Korea will become more common.
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On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his possibility. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.
oops didn't see that statement haha sorry it's 2:26am here.
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On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL.
I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.
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On April 04 2013 00:25 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:20 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:18 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:14 Proseat wrote:
Korea is a special case where GSL/OSL will be WCS Korea themselves. And thus foreigners can only compete in these Korean leagues if they stick with the Korean leg of WCS for an entire year (and then cannot compete in WCS Europe or WCS America, but still can go to non-WCS tournaments). Will GSL and OSL do additional leagues or did they just cut half of their content? the impression i get is that it's being cut ;; That would suck pretty hard. I hope I can at least get my money back. GOM's global producer, gomchung, posted the following on reddit regarding GSL tickets and the new free 720p: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1bk4rk/fuck_slasher_give_me_the_karma/c97egpjAlso, the teamleagues, GSTL and Proleague, will still be around (different ticket for the former, I know).
Yeah, but for me personally, team leagues aren't half as interesting as individual leages. I want to see the highest level of play, in BoX series that people have time to prepare for. That's what I love watching, and that's the GSL and the OSL. And now they just killed half of that.
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On April 04 2013 00:28 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:25 Proseat wrote:On April 04 2013 00:20 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:18 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:14 Proseat wrote:
Korea is a special case where GSL/OSL will be WCS Korea themselves. And thus foreigners can only compete in these Korean leagues if they stick with the Korean leg of WCS for an entire year (and then cannot compete in WCS Europe or WCS America, but still can go to non-WCS tournaments). Will GSL and OSL do additional leagues or did they just cut half of their content? the impression i get is that it's being cut ;; That would suck pretty hard. I hope I can at least get my money back. GOM's global producer, gomchung, posted the following on reddit regarding GSL tickets and the new free 720p: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1bk4rk/fuck_slasher_give_me_the_karma/c97egpjAlso, the teamleagues, GSTL and Proleague, will still be around (different ticket for the former, I know). Yeah, but for me personally, team leagues aren't half as interesting as individual leages. I want to see the highest level of play, in BoX series that people have time to prepare for. That's what I love watching, and that's the GSL and the OSL. And now they just killed half of that.
only because the SC2 scene has been so individual league centric.
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On April 04 2013 00:27 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his possibility. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport. oops didn't see that statement haha sorry it's 2:26am here.
It doesn't matter anyway, even if blackone doesn't feel like that (neither do I, a lot of the time), there are still a lot of people who do, even if the only source I have on that atm is personal experience.
The more casual you are the more you root for people you have some ever so small connection with, and nationality is still a slightly bigger draw than most things in those cases.
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On April 04 2013 00:21 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:18 Hadley88 wrote:On April 04 2013 00:14 Proseat wrote:On April 04 2013 00:07 Swisslink wrote:
I don't really get it (And I haven't read all the 100 pages, shame on me ) :o
The players have to choose in which region they want to play AND GSL/MLG are the WCS for each region - therefore we will no longer see any foreigners in GSL and no Koreans in MLG, or better: a player can't play at MLG AND in GSL the same year?
Or can they participate but the spots will just be given to the ones which decided to play in that specific region? The MLG championships are separate from the new WCS America to be produced by Major League Gaming as an additional event, so nothing changes for the former there in terms of players from other regions attending (same for ESL / IEM). Korea is a special case where GSL/OSL will be WCS Korea themselves. And thus foreigners can only compete in these Korean leagues if they stick with the Korean leg of WCS for an entire year (and then cannot compete in WCS Europe or WCS America, but still can go to non-WCS tournaments). Bullshit! MLG has do do 3 NA WCSs and probably one Season Final this year. That does not leave alot of room for Non-WCS Events. Same with IEM. The MLGs tht we know and love are the non-WCS events. The only thing we know about the American WCS event is that the MLG organization is hosting them.
Yes, but he has a point. How can MLG hold as many tournaments a year as before AND the WCS events at the same time? Also, if MLG weekend events and WCS events are completely separate, why has MLG been holding back the information about the qualification system for upcoming seasons?
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On April 04 2013 00:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:28 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:25 Proseat wrote:On April 04 2013 00:20 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:18 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:14 Proseat wrote:
Korea is a special case where GSL/OSL will be WCS Korea themselves. And thus foreigners can only compete in these Korean leagues if they stick with the Korean leg of WCS for an entire year (and then cannot compete in WCS Europe or WCS America, but still can go to non-WCS tournaments). Will GSL and OSL do additional leagues or did they just cut half of their content? the impression i get is that it's being cut ;; That would suck pretty hard. I hope I can at least get my money back. GOM's global producer, gomchung, posted the following on reddit regarding GSL tickets and the new free 720p: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1bk4rk/fuck_slasher_give_me_the_karma/c97egpjAlso, the teamleagues, GSTL and Proleague, will still be around (different ticket for the former, I know). Yeah, but for me personally, team leagues aren't half as interesting as individual leages. I want to see the highest level of play, in BoX series that people have time to prepare for. That's what I love watching, and that's the GSL and the OSL. And now they just killed half of that. only because the SC2 scene has been so individual league centric.
No, I preferred the individual leages in Brood War as well.
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On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL. I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(.
They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).
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On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport.
So you always root for the person who has higher skill?
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On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport. So you always root for the person who has higher skill?
With that logic, some years I would have had to root for the Yankees, which is something my brain cannot process.
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On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport. So you always root for the person who has higher skill?
No. That's also not at all what I wrote. It's just that race and nationality are not a factor.
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On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL. I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(. They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_4/Main_Bracket
This is how much lag stops Koreans from dominating foreigners.
Or this:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HyuN/Results
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On April 04 2013 00:34 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport. So you always root for the person who has higher skill? No. That's also not at all what I wrote.
Well i lost track of what you wrote some posts ago where you said you would root for a Spanish team but you dont care about a players passport.... that doesn't make much sense. And of course you can compare individual sports and team sports, there is not difference in that.
but hey this is all a pretty silly discussion anyway
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On April 04 2013 00:34 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:33 scoobex wrote:On April 04 2013 00:25 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:21 opterown wrote:On April 04 2013 00:19 blackone wrote:On April 04 2013 00:17 mikkmagro wrote:
With that sort of mentality, imagine the Football World Cup, only Brazil and Spain would have supporters lol. The argument is stupid. It's obvious that a French player will root for Stephano, they've been seeing him develop since he was a teen playing WarCraft III, and he's been competing in French tournaments for years before he became an international champion. They might even live in the same city as him. If you're from Boston, what's the probability that you're a Red Sox fan? It's not only normal, it's natural to be a fan of your compatriots over anything else. My country has very little talent in sports (its tiny!); I like watching Barcelona and Juventus play, but who do you think I will root for if Barcelona play my town's team, even if its in the third division of the local league lol?
You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams. I support my home town football club, but that doesn't mean I only root for Spanish tennis players or Boxers or whatnot. yeah, but let's say you watch a basketball game (or some sport you're not totally familiar with) and it's spain vs. mexico or something. you'd probably cheer for spain to win, no? that's more the mentality of the casual viewer tuning into an MLG who doesn't know too much about the scene, and those are the type of people we want to get more invested into the scene. giving them a focus to cheer on is great! Dude. I literally said "You can't compare individual players to regional or national teams." and you reply with another team sport. Yes, if there was a Spanish national Starcraft team, I would root for it. But I don't care about an individual players passport, I care about his game, and maybe his personality. Not just in Starcraft; in every sport. So you always root for the person who has higher skill? No. That's also not at all what I wrote. It's just that race and nationality are not a factor.
If i don't know anything about a sport i try to pick a something i can relate to, nationality is often that similarity.
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On April 04 2013 00:35 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL. I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(. They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server). http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_4/Main_BracketThis is how much lag stops Koreans from dominating foreigners.
We will see, it was a huge problem for MLG. If the games are cast live, that will make a big difference as well, since the games are shown in prime time NA.
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On April 04 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:27 GattAttack wrote:On April 04 2013 00:22 sitromit wrote:
To be honest, I can't see the offline part of the NA/EU WCS being anything longer than weekend events, which means it's not much different for Koreans from the way foreign tournaments work for them now.
For a Korean, the online part would be just like playing the NASL group stage, or the online qualifiers for any foreign tournament. Then they could fly in for a weekend to play in the offline finals.
The main difference is that a Korean who does this will not be able to play in the GSL, so top players will be locked out, and of course, their expenses won't be covered by the tournament.
Still, I could see a bunch of Koreans doing this eventually, if they feel like they don't have a shot at winning the GSL. I could see this whole WCS thing actually really being a boom for 'korean b-teamers'. I still dislike that players are going to have to choose between GSL and the other leagues...feel like code A isn't going to be as stacked anymore =(. They still have to get the funding to come over here or deal with the KA to NA lag. That is going to be a lot harder than coming for a weekend and I think we will see few Korean players jumping the pond. There is no way they are playing with the lag, because they will get cheesed every game(it is what I would do and Kespa players did in the MLG championship league that was cross server).
Look at any online result. Even if it's on NA, KR almost always beat NA players and even EU players defeat their NA opponents most of the time despite the server disadvantage. It might even be viable for EU players to switch to NA, haha.
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