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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
March 27 2013 18:31 GMT
#181
On March 28 2013 03:27 BisuDagger wrote:
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On March 28 2013 02:54 StarVe wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:49 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm fine that he's taking a break from Korea, but he has consistently given trouble to the Gom team and does not deserve another GSL seed ever. He's going to have to earn that right now. I hope he can recover and stay relevant. Lots of ppl love him.

Uhh...what? When has he ever given trouble to the GOM team, let alone "consistently"?
It's okay to appreciate him being gone, but stay with the facts, please.

He gave up his seed once already in tweet and then took it back. And He consistently turned down code S offers until finally accepting one. I am staying with the facts. I consider that causing issues. I don't see any other players causing GSL drama but him. No need to take offense to my opinion based of off the facts.


How is turning down offers to play their league an issue? If ESL would make Life an offer about living in Germany to play EPS and he turns it down, is he causing issues as well then?
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
March 27 2013 18:31 GMT
#182
Good decision. Some people just aren't good enough for Code S.
White flag + pants down duly noted.

User was warned for this post
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 27 2013 18:32 GMT
#183
God damn it. At least he earned the spot this time, not like other times when foreigners declined after being given a seed.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 27 2013 18:34 GMT
#184
not surprised, he seemed so unhappy in Korea. i def would've liked to see him compete there for longer, but i completely understand his decision.

should be interesting if they're gonna replace him for Code s, and if so who's gonna get the seed.

Last's seed not being the last seed to be announced anymore makes the corny wordplay lover in me sad though.
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eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
March 27 2013 18:39 GMT
#185
I'd rather watch Stephano try and make it through Code S than anyone else because he seems to have the best shot. It suck's SK isn't working out for him.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 27 2013 18:39 GMT
#186
On March 28 2013 03:34 Schelim wrote:
not surprised, he seemed so unhappy in Korea. i def would've liked to see him compete there for longer, but i completely understand his decision.

should be interesting if they're gonna replace him for Code s, and if so who's gonna get the seed.

Last's seed not being the last seed to be announced anymore makes the corny wordplay lover in me sad though.

Well GOM themselves haven't made the post yet so there is still hope
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:58:01
March 27 2013 18:41 GMT
#187
On March 28 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:
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On March 28 2013 02:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:16 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:03 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 01:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 01:51 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 01:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 01:39 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 01:32 sitromit wrote:
[quote]
He got 3-0'ed at MLG and IEM too. It has nothing to do with tournament format. Most of his big wins were in tournaments with much weaker competition compared to the GSL or the other tournaments he didn't do well in.

Well to be fair, he go 3-0ed by a Kespa player, Last, in one of the most stacked brackets I have ever seen. Last then went 2-3 vs Life, who won MLG. He didn't lose to some scrub, but a guy who almost beat the winner of the entire event.


This is the kind of logic that's so funny about Stephano fans (it also applies for Nerchio, Naniwa and any other of the current hyped foreigners too).

We constantly have to suffer this double think of how when they win (or better yet not actually playing vs Koreans at all as this is when their hype is biggest) they're Code S quality, amongst the absolute best in the world and can beat anyone and take down any tournament including Code S.

When they lose however it's okay because they lost to good player and there's no shame in that apparently.

The foreigner fanboy however never makes the connection that beating top players like Last, MVP, Yoda, Life and Flash is what makes you a top player and consistently losing to these level of players (like Stephano has for months and months now) means you're not a top player.

Stephano got absolutely smashed at IEM and MLG, no if's no but's he was destroyed by better players.


Well I can say he did shitty and should have done better. That it is unacceptable to get beaten 3-0 and that is total crap. But you see, I am a Red Sox fan, so I know what slumps are. Unlike many fans in the SC2 scene, who are like weather vains and just band wagon to the next winning Korean player and call him a god of the game until he loses and then its on to the next one. I would say that one is not much better than the other.


What's wrong with that? It's basically how Sc2 has worked at the pro level since it's inception.

Beta/Late 2010 - Fruitdealer/Tester era.
Early - Mid 2011 - Mvp/MC/Nestea era
Late 2011 - Mvp/MMA/DRG era
Early - Mid 2012 - MKP/DRG era
Mid - Late 2012 - Life/Parting/Rain/Leenock/Patch Zerg era

Are you denying that players in Sc2 tend to be at the top for about 6 months maximum and then fall off still able to win tournament but never consistently stringing together GSL/MLG wins like Mvp, DRG and Life were able to do at their peaks?


Well in the Boston area, we have words for people like that, but I won't use it on TL. But it's called being a fair weather fan. They cheer when their team is winning, but disappear when they aren't. Real fan cheer when the team is playing. I still cheer for MC and willl until he quits. Same with MKP and the members of EG. I am not a fair weather fan, I even cheer when they lose.


Most Sc2 fans are a fan of the game more than players so we just like whoever has cool play and shows good games.


That is what a fair weather fan is, they don't care who is playing and just cheer for the winner because it is easy. They like to watch the winner and can’t deal with the disappointment, or the idea that they might have to wait to see their favorite player be awesome. Fans like myself and my father who waited 20 years or (nearly 60 in my fathers case) for the Sox to win a world series have little patience for fair weather fans.


People are never going to be like that for Sc2 because you don't grow up with a team like you do it in real sports.

Instead people support players for their country, region, race, team, playstyle etc..

Real sports are also a lot more consistent, your favourite team is a constant forever. When I first got into Sc2 my favourite players were Nestea, Fruit Dealer, Jinro and July and my favourite team was oGs. Three of those players don't even play anymore, Nestea plays but is a shadow of what he was and oGs has disbanded. I'd love for Nestea to come back but it's not going to happen, so naturally people move onto new players to cheer for who are active.


Real sports are no more consistent than Esports. Winning 5 super bowls in a row is unheard of, or 5 masters or any number of World Series. The Yankees are known for winning 26 world series in the life of the ball club, which dates back nearly 100 years. They are the only club with that many titles in all of professional sports. The only reason teams seem consistent in real sports is because their seasons take a full year. And people who cheer for a team one year, only to leave them when they lose next year.

Once again, you can cheer for the top player if you want, but don’t go out of your way to mock the people who are fans the guys who lost or are doing poorly.


It's next to impossible with stupid salary caps but they do this to keep all the teams competitive and level the playing field. There are consequences when you expand your league to the point the player pool just isn't the same, or expand to areas that aren't necessarily viable or market proven or how about lockouts between ownership and the players? The '94 lockout destroyed the Blue Jays in terms of attendance, mystique and losing core players. This doesn't even address the process of losing and what it does to your fan's morale to show up. Salary caps are a bitch and the game changes to maintaining your core and finding players for the supporting roles. Dynasties are a thing of the past.

It's fun to talk about such things but when we're talking about RTS gaming especially over here? I find it somewhat irrelevant because it's mostly based on individual achievements. In Korea, sure there's more emphasis on the Team Leagues but player's have said all the time they want that individual sense of accomplishment as well. Not only that, but the onus is truly on the players for them to be successful. They have a lot of responsibility. In the past we've seen certain players dominate the scene for small to lengthy periods of time whether it be Brood War, Warcraft 3 or SC2. It does happen. Regardless of the format like our Western Gauntlet Lans or long dragged out processes like your OSLs/GSLs/team leagues. Time and time again the Koreans have shown they can shine in both. Ofc it's only a weekend in a foreign place to them when they show up here and do there thing. It's like a holiday; whereas, if you want to compete in the GSL/OSL shindigs you're basically relocating. It's much easier to take a holiday compared to relocating. It's much easier on them. I'd like to see the correlation between Koreans joining/moving elsewhere and still finding some success. Polt will be fun to watch out for now that he's in Texas and found some success but I'm not sure when he finally moved back to Korea or how long he stayed inside the U.S.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
March 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#188
Well Stephano is in it for the money. There is nothing wrong with that but with that philosophy you shouldn't be in korea. It's just too hard, it doesn't matter who you are it's still super hard. It's better for him to travel around NA/EU and try to win tournaments that doesn't get filled with top tier koreans.

Would've really liked to see him stay to see how good he could've become with a korean training environment
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:47:15
March 27 2013 18:46 GMT
#189
So basically a French player surrendered to a foreign nation and returned home.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 27 2013 18:51 GMT
#190
This news makes me think even higher of Naniwa and some of the other guys who have been over in korea for longer periods of time trying to become better players. Naniwa even was in a team house with only koreans who pretty much ostricized him. Stephano has said plenty of times that he is only in it for the money, and some think he is a cool kid for it while at the same time claiming he has what it takes to get deep in code s which is impossible if he doesnt change attiude imo.
js_the_greatest
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada7 Posts
March 27 2013 18:52 GMT
#191
I would give the spot to Naniwa...hes already going back to Korea and clearly wants to compete in the GSL. And if that wasn't enough, he already proved he belongs in code S. Sad thing to see Stephano leaving though .
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
March 27 2013 18:56 GMT
#192
Ahhh that sucks. He should at least do Code S while he has the opportunity, then maybe go home if/when that doesn't work out...
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
March 27 2013 18:59 GMT
#193
The heroes of the past such as Jinro and Banjo are missed. We still have HuK and Naniwa though. We will never surrender!
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
March 27 2013 18:59 GMT
#194
On March 28 2013 03:46 Kasaraki wrote:
So basically a French player surrendered to a foreign nation and returned home.


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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 19:04:35
March 27 2013 19:02 GMT
#195
On March 28 2013 03:59 dubRa wrote:
The heroes of the past such as Jinro and Banjo are missed. We still have HuK and Naniwa though. We will never surrender!


When did Haypro perform well in the GSL?

EDIT: He never did: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HayprO/Results#Global_StarCraft_II_League
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
March 27 2013 19:05 GMT
#196
If only the other team members were more inclusive perhaps the Koreans should brush up their English skills. I think you should treat players differently in a team and perhaps have a laxed schedule for someone like stephano.
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
March 27 2013 19:06 GMT
#197
On March 28 2013 03:44 DwD wrote:
Well Stephano is in it for the money. There is nothing wrong with that but with that philosophy you shouldn't be in korea. It's just too hard, it doesn't matter who you are it's still super hard. It's better for him to travel around NA/EU and try to win tournaments that doesn't get filled with top tier koreans.

Would've really liked to see him stay to see how good he could've become with a korean training environment


Stephano doesn't know what he's in it for. It's easy to fall back on the money reason, but he also wants to win and do well... sometimes. The feeling I get from Stephano is that he's a young guy and doesn't know exactly what he wants to do, but Starcraft isn't really it.

We see a lot of progamers grapple with this. The don't truly enjoy the game, but they enjoy winning and some mornings they wake up inspired and say yeah I'm really gonna go for this, cue the Rocky music! They make some self-important tweets or facebook posts and their fans rally around them celebrating the player's newfound passion. A week later it's back to business as usual and it's a slow, dull road of ambivalence until retirement.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#198
On March 28 2013 03:46 Kasaraki wrote:
So basically a French player surrendered to a foreign nation and returned home.


Well done sir well done.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#199
On March 28 2013 04:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:59 dubRa wrote:
The heroes of the past such as Jinro and Banjo are missed. We still have HuK and Naniwa though. We will never surrender!


When did Haypro perform well in the GSL?

EDIT: He never did: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HayprO/Results#Global_StarCraft_II_League


That just proves how much drive he had to compete with the best even more.
SKGZombie
Profile Joined February 2012
United States42 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#200
It's becoming painfully obvious that something needs to be done in terms of how players are paid. I would suggest tournament organizers start paying players similar to how fighters are paid. Each player gets paid per match with bonuses going to the winners of each match and maybe players who put on exciting matches for the fans which will help encourage more entertaining match ups. The all or nothing mentality isn't a sustainable business model if you want to keep e-sports alive or even attract top level players to compete in your tournaments.
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