EPTI'd been playing unranked 1v1's and the system had been placing me purely against diamond with some master's here and there. Did that have anything to do with it?
Unranked MMR affects Ranked MMR pre-placement?
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Fliparoni
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I'd been playing unranked 1v1's and the system had been placing me purely against diamond with some master's here and there. Did that have anything to do with it? | ||
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SoloZergg
United States90 Posts
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Williammm
Australia908 Posts
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alvadr
135 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:42 Williammm wrote: I'm pretty sure they have separate MMR's. I was ranked diamond borderline masters level mmr, but when I played unranked as it came out I was playing against bronze and silvers. They've said the share the same players, so I would assume it would be the same MMR | ||
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Non0
United States100 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400828 | ||
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GTPGlitch
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monkh
United Kingdom568 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Initially, you have no MMR for both ranked and unranked brackets. When you played a lot of unranked, the system would create a hidden MMR to place you against equally-skilled opponents. Now you have X MMR for unranked, and ranked bracket does not have a MMR. When you play your placement matches on ranked bracket, the system will search for an equally skilled opponent - based on the only information they have of you, your unranked MMR - and then deviate from that. Now you have two separate MMRs for ranked and unranked. In other words, the same way the system will place you vs similar skilled players when you first play unranked after many ranked matches, the same applies when you play several unranked and play ranked matches for the first time. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:54 Zephirdd wrote: this is how it should work: Initially, you have no MMR for both ranked and unranked brackets. When you played a lot of unranked, the system would create a hidden MMR to place you against equally-skilled opponents. Now you have X MMR for unranked, and ranked bracket does not have a MMR. When you play your placement matches on ranked bracket, the system will search for an equally skilled opponent - based on the only information they have of you, your unranked MMR - and then deviate from that. Now you have two separate MMRs for ranked and unranked. In other words, the same way the system will place you vs similar skilled players when you first play unranked after many ranked matches, the same applies when you play several unranked and play ranked matches for the first time. This makes sense. Also, the other day I was playing ranked(I'm in Bronze FYI) and was placed against someone in Master League. He told me he was playing unranked and had a much lower MMR in unranked play. | ||
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:57 Turgid wrote: This makes sense. Also, the other day I was playing ranked(I'm in Bronze FYI) and was placed against someone in Master League. He told me he was playing unranked and had a much lower MMR in unranked play. What a crazy scenario... So this basically shows that you have no way of knowing how highly ranked your opponent is, since they could be playing unranked. Unfortunate, since it helps put things into perspective when you know the ranking of your opponent. Not everyone is a GM player who can accurately analyse and judge their opponents play. | ||
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Indolent
Poland137 Posts
I know this doesn't make sense, but that's what I'm experiencing. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
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Kernkraft
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Fliparoni
205 Posts
On March 24 2013 10:19 igay wrote: I played about 70 unranked games with a diamond MMR and did my placement won them all and got placed in gold. All the players I went against while doing my placement were gold, silver or bronze The one difference between mine and your scenario is that of the 3 wins I got, 1 of them was in diamond and the other 2 were in platinum. Maybe my unranked Diamond MMR plus the MMR's of the people that I beat in the placement matches was what got me placed directly into diamond. | ||
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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ObeseHydra
Brazil196 Posts
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On March 24 2013 11:44 ObeseHydra wrote: I was Platinum in WOL, won 4 of 5 matches and got placed into Silver in HOTS... : / Don't base your judgement upon what the placement matches put you in. I got silver in hots after winning all 5 placement matches while being diamond in WoL. The placement matches literally just mean you've played 5 games. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
On March 24 2013 11:44 ObeseHydra wrote: I was Platinum in WOL, won 4 of 5 matches and got placed into Silver in HOTS... : / WOL doesn't carry over to HOTS | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On March 24 2013 13:05 TheSayo182 wrote: Fuck. I went 4-1 and placed in silver, fuck the system Its not about how many wins you got, its about who you beat. | ||
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:50 GTPGlitch wrote: The win 5->platinum was probably only the few days right after release since MMR takes a while to get sorted out I dominanted my placements today with 5-0 and i am platinum too. I was masters in wol, so i guess wol ranking has no influence | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
Lots of weird changes in ranked, but this one is a little odd in my opinion knowing that both mmr's will constantly shift in relation to eachother. | ||
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jackdr
Philippines85 Posts
when all those giddy people started doing their placement matches right after release, there were NO people in higher ranks (everything is reset). I if guessed it right, the maximum league you get to be placed in was GOLD (even winning all matches). Why? there were NO people up in the higher ranks to determine that you are that good to be placed there. Due to that, your MMR stays about the same when playing vs other people who are either unranked or still in the lower leagues. Now however, the higher leagues are populated and once you get to win a few matches, your MMR jumps depending on the league of your opponent. You mentioned you got to play vs plats and a dia and won. Since you beat those guys, you deserve to be in Dia. In my case, I played my placements maybe 3 days after release, when all other people were busy with the campaign or just started doing their placement matches too. The last season of WoL I was dia. But the highest ranked player i got to face during my placement was Gold and I won all my placement matches, so I was placed in Gold. So did the other people from our National Community that was laddering at the time. But guess what, after 3-5 games games they were promoted, some even got to GM pretty fast once it was opened! As for Unranked MMR in relation to Ranked MMR, me thinks it has no effect whatsoever. I noticed back in the beta when I played unranked, i always start to face lower leagued players each time i start playing. So I'm guessing that whenever you log in, your unranked MMR resets to 0 and depending on how well you do during the games over the course of a session that MMR starts to build up. Once you log-out, it gets deleted and when you log-in again, you start from the beginning. Pretty decent implementation IMO, since that would mean you would get to know how well your doing when trying different builds/races or w/e. I hope this helps :D | ||
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tuho12345
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
Now heres the fun part. The MMR's of your other placements affect placement matches of new leagues. So say your masters 2v2,3v3,4v4, and go play 1v1, it will use those MMR's as a starting point for placement matches in 1v1. The same thing happens for unranked. as unranked is technically a part of the same system, but doesnt display anything at all to the user. also people comparing placement match records, the record has nothing to do with placement. (well technically it does but...not directly into placement) Now say we will take players A, B, C, D for this example. Player A, fresh account right at release of HOTS goes 5-0 placement platinum Player B, Fresh account but after release of hots by a long time goes 5-0 diamond. Why did this happen? Because Player B played higher rated players to start with than player A. Player A started with an opponent that was also not ranked, giving less of a MMR gain as opposed to beating an established player. Player C, never played 1v1, but is high masters in 2v2 goes 2-3 in 1v1 placement masters. Why because Player C had an starting MMR, and beat opponents in that range. and player D, plays alot of unranked has a starting MMR, can get placed high. Just like player C! alot of how ladders work can be explained in this thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On March 24 2013 10:05 Incanus wrote: What a crazy scenario... So this basically shows that you have no way of knowing how highly ranked your opponent is, since they could be playing unranked. Unfortunate, since it helps put things into perspective when you know the ranking of your opponent. Not everyone is a GM player who can accurately analyse and judge their opponents play. In theory, the experience I had was just an outlier. Either people sandbag forever to keep their rating low(in which case they're not practicing and maintaining their skills, most likely, and in any case this was possible with the old system) or they eventually win or lose enough so that their two MMR achieve parity. In theory  | ||
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SheepleArePeopleToo
Sweden73 Posts
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BernabusStarcraft2
Scotland112 Posts
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On March 24 2013 15:21 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: yesterday i was playing unranked and the guy said what it was ranked for him? Theres not enough players to have a completely seperate ranked and unranked ladder - Its just ranked/unranked based on what you choose, and the match finder finds whoever is in your MMR regardless of ladder | ||
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MateFeedKill
United States25 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
When I queue ranked I keep getting platinum/diamond. Doesn't make any sense. | ||
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