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United States12240 Posts
With Heart of the Swarm, Starcraft II has undergone some changes with regard to how ladder information is procured.
First, let's take a look at the Bonus Pool.
Bonus Pool
Q: Is the Bonus Pool accumulation rate different in Heart of the Swarm?
A: Yes. It's now 180 per week for Master/Grandmaster, 104.4 per week for lower leagues, 66% of the normal rate for Arranged 2v2, and 33% of the normal rate for Arranged 3v3/4v4.
Q: Blizzard said the Bonus Pool will be consumed twice as fast now, what does that mean?
A: The Bonus Pool now not only doubles your earned points for wins, but any points you would have lost due to losing a game are now absorbed by your Bonus Pool as well.
Q: Doesn't this make it harder to reach the top of a division?
A: No. Your Bonus Pool is still practically a decay mechanism. Functionally, the Bonus Pool is still just unrealized points. It's just easier to spend 30 Bonus Pool by going 10+10, -10+10, 10+10 than going 10+10, -10, 10+10, -10, 10+10. The end result is you still end up with 40 points, it just takes less games.
Unranked Play
Unranked play is a new addition to Starcraft II HotS and WoL 2.0.4. There are a number of Blizzard posts scattered about which explain it, but they only go into so much detail. I'm still fielding a lot of questions about what exactly Unranked is and what its effect is on the ladder as a whole. Below I'll cover some of the more basic questions as well as some speculation as to the impact that this new feature has on Ranked play.
Q: What is Unranked Play?
A: Unranked is functionally the same thing as Ranked play. It uses the same automatic matchmaking system and the same rules for matching players. The only difference is that you aren't assigned a league or division and you don't earn or lose points for Unranked play. You also don't carry a bonus pool.
Q: How does the matchmaker pair me with players when I queue Unranked?
A: You already know that matchmaking works by finding players of similar hidden MMR. If you have no prior history (primer: if you have to play 5 placement matches instead of one, the matchmaker has no prior history for you meaning your MMR returns to the default starting value around the middle of the ladder), then you inherit the MMR from your pre-existing value. For example, if I'm Gold in Ranked and I play my first Unranked match, I'll be starting Unranked from Gold. After the first match, the MMRs can diverge and will remain separate. Your next Ranked game will have no impact on your newly-established Unranked MMR, and vice versa.
For most players, this will be a one-way transition from using Ranked data to establish an Unranked MMR. However, technically it does work the other way around as well, just something to keep in mind.
Q: How can you tell which games were Unranked in a player's match history?
A: This can be quite tricky. There's a lot more research involved now.
1. Unranked games don't award any points, that's the first thing to watch for.
2. The next thing is to find out whether a game was a Placement Match or not, and usually you will find this out based on the number of placement matches leading up to that game type. If a player has any remaining Placement Matches in his profile, there's no way to know for sure. If he's already in a league, it's possible it was an Unranked match.
3. If the game was a Loss, you have to find out whether the player has any Bonus Pool remaining in that game format. If he does, it's possible it was a Ranked game where the lost points were absorbed by the Bonus Pool (this doesn't make it into match history). If he has no Bonus Pool remaining, then either it was a Ranked match that used up the remaining Bonus Pool, or it was an Unranked match.
Q: Can Unranked players play against Ranked players?
A: Yes. Ranked and Unranked players are part of the same pool.
Q: If Unranked players can play against Ranked players, won't they feed rating to the Ranked players since Unranked players generally won't be playing as seriously?
A: This is yet to be determined. Assuming this is true, there would be an initial upward swing for Ranked players as the Unranked players drop in MMR on their way to their Unranked skill level (this can mean many things, from offracing to build practice to casual stress relief). This is just one possibility.
Leave League
Patch 2.0.4 also introduced a strange new button called "Leave League".
Q: What does this shiny, scary button do?
A: "Leave League" does exactly what it says, ejects you from the ladder. You can rejoin at any time. You play your Placement Match again and are assigned a new league.
Something rather critical about this: some players report having to play one Placement Match (meaning MMR is not reset) and others report having to play five Placement Matches (meaning MMR is reset). I don't have enough information now to determine which is intended.
Q: Can I use Leave League to force a promotion/demotion?
A: League changes (promotions/demotions) require an element of stability. By leaving the league, you sidestep this requirement. However, it's also possible that initial placements are conservative.
Portrait Borders
Maybe you've noticed that some players have a border around their player portrait now.
Q: How do I get one of those cool portrait borders and what do they mean?
A: The portrait borders reflect your 1v1 league. If you don't have one, it's because you're not in a Ranked 1v1 division. This border persists into team games as well as chat channels.
Favored System
In the pre-game screen, the "Favored" indicator has disappeared.
Q: How do I know how many points the match is worth for me now that the indicator's gone?
A: Now you can't. Instead, you can only see the opponent's portrait border signifying 1v1 league, but of course that doesn't necessarily tell you about his current MMR. That Gold-bordered opponent could be on his way up to your Platinum division, or maybe he's on a losing streak and hasn't been demoted to Bronze yet. On the plus side, now that bug with the pre-game and score screen Favored indicators not matching up is finally fixed! Note that the way points are determined is still unchanged: your current adjusted points compared to the opponent's MMR, and his adjusted points compared to your MMR. Also, because Unranked players can be matched against Ranked players, he may have a Platinum Unranked MMR but a Master-bordered portrait.
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Leaving one's league sounds like a great option. I've often taken breaks only to come back and not want to play just so I wouldn't get demoted - glad it's in there. Hopefully it's an MMR reset all the time rather than what you mentioned.
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Q: For example I am at Gold in Ranked play the left the league and played Unranked all throughout the season (or forever), will my MMR change and can be matched with Diamond/Masters assuming I really increased my skills?
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miss the favored etc thing
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On March 01 2013 18:09 Godofsilver wrote:
Leaving one's league sounds like a great option. I've often taken breaks only to come back and not want to play just so I wouldn't get demoted - glad it's in there. Hopefully it's an MMR reset all the time rather than what you mentioned.
The thing that scares me about that, is in 4v4 with some really bad friends, we are in bronze. Image now that a group of 4v4 masters league people just reset the MMR to go "trolling" for the day and throwing their 5 placement matches. It's already frustrating to deal with the number of people that do it, but at least that'll take them forever to be able to play a real game again, so some people are hesitant to do so. If MMR resets, they can basically do it without worry about being able to play real games again the next day.
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Dakota_Fanning
Hungary2359 Posts
Is the portrait border visible/displayed when I start a ranked game and the map is being loaded? What about unraked and team games? Can we see based on this the league of our opponent?
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On March 01 2013 17:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Q: How does the matchmaker pair me with players when I queue Unranked?
A: You already know that matchmaking works by finding players of similar hidden MMR. If you have no prior history (primer: if you have to play 5 placement matches instead of one, the matchmaker has no prior history for you meaning your MMR returns to the default starting value around the middle of the ladder), then you inherit the MMR from your pre-existing value. For example, if I'm Gold in Ranked and I play my first Unranked match, I'll be starting Unranked from Gold. After the first match, the MMRs can diverge and will remain separate. Your next Ranked game will have no impact on your newly-established Unranked MMR, and vice versa.
Is this really true?
For me the unranked mmr seems to start with a clean table regardless of my ranked mmr.
First I get matched with bronze-silver and then after 10-15 straight wins it's diamond/masters again.
It was same for both my US and EU accounts.
My US account had ~50 ranked games played this season and solid diamond ranking.
My EU account had no ranked games played this season (1 placement match) low masters last season.
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Im facing silvers/gold in unranked and Im a master in ranked 1v1.
also if Im facing ranked players when im playing unranked, isnt it possible to drop mmr by offracing or leave on purpose and then use that in my ranked matches to get a higher rank because I now get to play way below my actual mmr?
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On March 01 2013 18:26 Dakota_Fanning wrote:
Is the portrait border visible/displayed when I start a ranked game and the map is being loaded? What about unraked and team games? Can we see based on this the league of our opponent?
Ranked team games show portrait borders based on 1v1 league ranking.
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On the plus side, now that bug with the pre-game and score screen Favored indicators not matching up is finally fixed!
Best way to fix a bug.
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On March 01 2013 18:37 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Im facing silvers/gold in unranked and Im a master in ranked 1v1.
also if Im facing unranked nad mmy unranked mmr connects with my ranked mmr, isnt it possible to drop like hell in mmr by play offrace or leave on purpose and then use that in my ranked matches to get a higher rank but I only have to play way below my actual mmr?
I think unranked starts off by picking up your ranked MMR, if you have one, and then independently changes.
Basically rather than starting with 0 unranked MMR, it does a carry over to get you a somewhat reasonable unranked level.
And then the two MMRs develop separately.
Although according to the above it's not working for picking up the initial MMR.
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China6330 Posts
On March 01 2013 17:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Q: Blizzard said the Bonus Pool will be consumed twice as fast now, what does that mean?
A: The Bonus Pool now not only doubles your earned points for wins, but any points you would have lost due to losing a game are now absorbed by your Bonus Pool as well.
Wow I finally know why I never lose any points on HotS beta...
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sounds good my only concern with the leave league thing is this. Wont it make it quite easy to smurf? For example a diamond who want to have some "fun" ripping up bronzes leaves leagues, loses placement matches, places in bronze and there we go. If he want to go back to diamond he'll be there in a week since he'll just crush everything game after game up till he hits high plat...
and wouldnt this make portrait farming quite easy too, with the same technique... if you are a decent player you just go for it, once you get to much competition, leave league and restart from bronze...
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China6330 Posts
On March 01 2013 19:04 Soundwave12 wrote:
sounds good my only concern with the leave league thing is this. Wont it make it quite easy to smurf? For example a diamond who want to have some "fun" ripping up bronzes leaves leagues, loses placement matches, places in bronze and there we go. If he want to go back to diamond he'll be there in a week since he'll just crush everything game after game up till he hits high plat...
and wouldnt this make portrait farming quite easy too, with the same technique... if you are a decent player you just go for it, once you get to much competition, leave league and restart from bronze...
I think most times leave a league only put you into one placement match. But OP suggests there are other possibilities so you might stand a point.
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Been playing vs nothing but Masters in Unranked... Guess there haven't been many queuing for it on SEA.
Not that i'm too worried, I barely play now anyway, just an annoyance when they destroy me
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On March 01 2013 19:07 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:04 Soundwave12 wrote:
sounds good my only concern with the leave league thing is this. Wont it make it quite easy to smurf? For example a diamond who want to have some "fun" ripping up bronzes leaves leagues, loses placement matches, places in bronze and there we go. If he want to go back to diamond he'll be there in a week since he'll just crush everything game after game up till he hits high plat...
and wouldnt this make portrait farming quite easy too, with the same technique... if you are a decent player you just go for it, once you get to much competition, leave league and restart from bronze... I think most times leave a league only put you into one placement match. But OP suggests there are other possibilities so you might stand a point.
Yeah, I think MMR fully resetting is a bug... It sounds like it should just kick you from your current league (the way a season reset does).
The one thing I'd like would be a way to reset unranked MMR (without dumping games).
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Something I would realy like is to be able to start a new league with another race. So for example if your main is masters zerg you could then do placement matches again for Protoss and Terran. Then you could practice your offraces against the same level of your play without sinking your main. Ofcourse this would be too easily abused so it'll never happen
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In the beta leave league gave me 1 placement match, but in WoL after the patch it gives me 5. Though granted I wasn't placed the season before so that might have an effect on it, such that if you had to play 5 placement matches to start the season, leave league gives 5 placement matches, but if you only had to do 1, then it gives 1.. I dunno my theory based on limited information.
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Does the bonuspool only drops for losing in HotS or also in WoL now?
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