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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 15:09:11
April 05 2013 15:08 GMT
#261
Once more: Great stuff! Well done and congrats for making it into GSTL!

Maybe this is also an approach for the virtual jersey initiative from TotalBiscuit?

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=368588

And maybe talking to Blizzard could help deeper integration into the client as well. I'm sure they saw it.

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SigmaFiE
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States333 Posts
April 05 2013 15:38 GMT
#262
Everyone so far seems to be enjoying this. If this were included as a normal part of the map making process at any level of melee map-- would you the community like to see it implemented?

Poll: Should GameHeart be normal inclusion for all melee maps?

Yes (48)
 
92%

No (4)
 
8%

52 total votes

Your vote: Should GameHeart be normal inclusion for all melee maps?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


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GameHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 16:20:20
April 05 2013 16:14 GMT
#263
@Proseat - Currently I am against adding actual sponsor logos to the overlay. I don't want the logos to get out of hand and many people already think they are.
Gameheart
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
April 05 2013 16:16 GMT
#264
On April 06 2013 01:14 GameHeart wrote:
@Proseat - Currently I am against adding actual sponsor logos to the overlay. I don't want the logos to get out of hand many people already think they are).


We need to get these maps plastered with logos like were in nascar!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 16:21:58
April 05 2013 16:19 GMT
#265
On April 06 2013 01:14 GameHeart wrote:
@Proseat - Currently I am against adding actual sponsor logos to the overlay. I don't want the logos to get out of hand many people already think they are).


There just needs to be better places to put them. On the UI is not great. But on a flag in the best(like Dota2) is more acceptable. People wouldn't mind a logo if it looks organic on the map. An MLG logo in the center of the map that is created with terrain details. People wouldn't mind a logo if it was on a bill board on the map or a flag.

Not all of that can be done with custom maps, but finding places to put them is going to be a key part of getting teams and sponsors in the game itself.

Finally, people may freak out about logos and sponsors, but don't let that stop you from putting them there. People freak out about a lot of stuff, like numbers over the nexus and the decals that Blizzard put it. They get over it quickly.
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bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
April 05 2013 16:27 GMT
#266
On April 04 2013 23:44 GameHeart wrote:It is also my goal that the next major version of the overlay will work in conjunction with the new Blizzard UI tool rather than as an alternative so organizations are not forced to choose between them. At that time I will hopefully be able to offer replay casting support as well.


This would be awesome since it will help push more users to use your UI. Also, congrats for the GSTL and you are getting a lot of positive feedback
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 05 2013 16:28 GMT
#267
I love gameheart but if i could make one suggestion it would be that the icon at the production facilities should involved some subtle movement to indicate that the unit is under production. The square could have some rotating border or something, as it is now it feels a bit boring. Just my personal opinion, though so keep up the good work.
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GameHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 16:29:49
April 05 2013 16:29 GMT
#268
@Plansix - I think all of that can only be done with custom maps actually. The problem is that using billboards is great in say, Metropolis or maybe Daybreak...but it doesn't work very well in Whirlwind.

Whoever takes on that task would have to design a different way of displaying logos for ever map. I am not getting paid for this, it's already a ridiculously time consuming endeavor. Yes, the logos look better and more integrated in DotA 2. There is no question about that. But there is only one map in DotA and it isn't hard to make something perfect when it doesn't require even a minimal amount of versatility. When you need to design something that works with maps and layouts that people haven't even imagined yet, it's not as simple.

That said logos are going to be looked at no doubt. It's kind of a complicated issue because the general consensus in the foreigner community seems to be that the logos in the mineral lines look bad and the big transparent logos in the natural look good. But in the Korean community it's the exact opposite (at least as I have been told). I have not had a full report from Gom yet on what they liked and did not like. I noticed a couple of bugs during the broadcast as well, that will need to be fixed.

Right now the priority in my mind is:

Fixing the victory screen to be more appealing.
Finding a way to do logos that everyone (okay most people) likes.
Improving the visuals on the workers killed etc charts.

There are a lot more things I want to tackle, and I am sure Gom will have some serious concerns they will want to discuss but right now those are the things that are most on my mind.
Gameheart
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 05 2013 16:45 GMT
#269
On April 06 2013 01:29 GameHeart wrote:
@Plansix - I think all of that can only be done with custom maps actually. The problem is that using billboards is great in say, Metropolis or maybe Daybreak...but it doesn't work very well in Whirlwind.

Whoever takes on that task would have to design a different way of displaying logos for ever map. I am not getting paid for this, it's already a ridiculously time consuming endeavor. Yes, the logos look better and more integrated in DotA 2. There is no question about that. But there is only one map in DotA and it isn't hard to make something perfect when it doesn't require even a minimal amount of versatility. When you need to design something that works with maps and layouts that people haven't even imagined yet, it's not as simple.

That said logos are going to be looked at no doubt. It's kind of a complicated issue because the general consensus in the foreigner community seems to be that the logos in the mineral lines look bad and the big transparent logos in the natural look good. But in the Korean community it's the exact opposite (at least as I have been told). I have not had a full report from Gom yet on what they liked and did not like. I noticed a couple of bugs during the broadcast as well, that will need to be fixed.

Right now the priority in my mind is:

Fixing the victory screen to be more appealing.
Finding a way to do logos that everyone (okay most people) likes.
Improving the visuals on the workers killed etc charts.

There are a lot more things I want to tackle, and I am sure Gom will have some serious concerns they will want to discuss but right now those are the things that are most on my mind.


You should be getting paid for this, but I respect the effort you are putting in for the community and hopefully someone decides you should be working on this for them. I am pretty aware of the amount of effort you are putting in and I am not one of these people who thinks stuff can just "be changed" without significant effort.

I know the logos on flags and billboards isn't something you can do. That has to be up to the map makers to have places for the logos to go and that is beyond your control. I was just putting thoughts out there of better ways to do it, since there appears to be a lot of buzz around your UI.

Seriously though, take all complaints with a grain of salt. You are doing great work and everyone loves it. But there are going to be people who complaint about tiny things that many not matter, but are doing so because they know you are reading.
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 05 2013 16:46 GMT
#270
Hope theese producers actually gets some recognition for making history. Also like theese maps more than the current GSL ones.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 05 2013 17:50 GMT
#271
Wow super surprised and impressed that GSL was the first too pick this up. I like the logos, but yes the ones in the mineral lines could be more transparent. I like how the resource chart shows current workers now so you can always see it.

As others have mentioned, and gameheart has already said he's working on, the victory screen and worker lost screens, etc look bad and MSpaintish. I really love the new blizzard victory screen, so if you could make it work with that it would be better. Really a combination of the two would be best because the blizzard info charts are just prettier to look at.
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Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
April 05 2013 21:32 GMT
#272
And the Starcraft community once again pushes the boundaries of Esports! I hope every Tournament at least considers what value this tool could add to their viewing experience.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
April 05 2013 21:35 GMT
#273
Can I use Stronger Team Colors on ladder?
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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
April 05 2013 21:37 GMT
#274
Love the interface, didn't like the logo's in GTSL at all.
In Dota there are logo's everywhere but I never really notice them.
Here they are really standing out as an ugly feature.
Just a simple flag on top of the nexus/hatch/cc with the logo on it would be better.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
April 05 2013 21:47 GMT
#275
On April 06 2013 06:35 Fencar wrote:
Can I use Stronger Team Colors on ladder?


STC was originally meant to be used for ladder and people with bad sight. However, blizzard removed the ability to edit the way units actually appear, while this is a feature the map creates within GameHeart.

As far as I know Blizzard said they were looking into a way to integrate STC on their own, however have not done any updates on it since removing the ability to use the mod. I still am incredibly angry with Blizzard over this because it used to look so good, helped people with vision problems, and was something almost every viewer I ever had back in the day liked.

tl;dr: no, but blizzard said they wanted to.. just have not done it yet...
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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
April 05 2013 21:57 GMT
#276
On April 06 2013 06:47 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:35 Fencar wrote:
Can I use Stronger Team Colors on ladder?


STC was originally meant to be used for ladder and people with bad sight. However, blizzard removed the ability to edit the way units actually appear, while this is a feature the map creates within GameHeart.

As far as I know Blizzard said they were looking into a way to integrate STC on their own, however have not done any updates on it since removing the ability to use the mod. I still am incredibly angry with Blizzard over this because it used to look so good, helped people with vision problems, and was something almost every viewer I ever had back in the day liked.

tl;dr: no, but blizzard said they wanted to.. just have not done it yet...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19sg1x/we_are_dustin_browder_alan_dabiri_and_david_kim/c8qw1rp
Q: What happened to the possibility of a Blizz version of Stronger Team Colours?

A: This didn't end up happening. My understanding is that we had some technical challenges that would have hurt lower end systems to have two types of colors in the game.
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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
April 05 2013 21:59 GMT
#277
On April 06 2013 06:57 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:47 -Kyo- wrote:
On April 06 2013 06:35 Fencar wrote:
Can I use Stronger Team Colors on ladder?


STC was originally meant to be used for ladder and people with bad sight. However, blizzard removed the ability to edit the way units actually appear, while this is a feature the map creates within GameHeart.

As far as I know Blizzard said they were looking into a way to integrate STC on their own, however have not done any updates on it since removing the ability to use the mod. I still am incredibly angry with Blizzard over this because it used to look so good, helped people with vision problems, and was something almost every viewer I ever had back in the day liked.

tl;dr: no, but blizzard said they wanted to.. just have not done it yet...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19sg1x/we_are_dustin_browder_alan_dabiri_and_david_kim/c8qw1rp
Show nested quote +
Q: What happened to the possibility of a Blizz version of Stronger Team Colours?

A: This didn't end up happening. My understanding is that we had some technical challenges that would have hurt lower end systems to have two types of colors in the game.


Ah I never read that AmA. Well there is the answer, though I really don't believe it at all! Thanks for clarifying.
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rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 01:03:47
April 06 2013 01:03 GMT
#278
On April 06 2013 00:38 SigmaFiE wrote:
Everyone so far seems to be enjoying this. If this were included as a normal part of the map making process at any level of melee map-- would you the community like to see it implemented?



I would have to go with no, unless its proven that all the extra features dont affect FPS more than few percent.
GameHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
286 Posts
April 06 2013 03:56 GMT
#279
I don't see how you could implement it as a normal addition to melee maps. Adding the overlay to a melee map is not that simple a process to be honest. If I ever release the code for anyone to use (which I will probably do) I will make a video explaining how to copy the overlay to a new map, as well as how to add logos to the database.

I am not sure if they are going to use it again tonight for GSTL, I haven't heard from Gom at all since last nights broadcast. Not sure if that is a good sign or a bad sign.
Gameheart
Nuxar
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada212 Posts
April 06 2013 04:13 GMT
#280
Absolutely stunning, amazing! As I read somewhere above, you should get paid, so I do commend you enormously on your free work! I really, REALLY hope tournaments always use this, it is unarguably the best tool for tourneys.

Again, absurdly amazing job on this! Hope to see more work soon!
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