On February 27 2013 02:28 Alryk wrote: "I don't think EG-TL is really focusing on Proleague. I think the results are inevitable since we work harder."
Yeah, this really sums it up. I imagine Jaedong and Stephano are practicing a ton with Taeja to help prepare him for RorO. GSL is definitely way more important to them.
I disagree. Jaedong and Taeja are Korean and Proleague is way more important then GSL for 98,5% of Korean players due to television coverage, luxury, tradition and recognition Proleague players receive in Korea. I just think that EG-TL guys simply refuse to practice as much as kespa teams do (12-14 hours daily(Stephano has said himself more then once that he plays about 4 hours a day)) and there is the reason why they will get trashed more and more in future rounds.
I don't think so. Proleague was more important in BW, but GSL right now is where the money (#1), the fame worldwide, and even the fans are at. You could even say luxury - a lot of players say the gom studios are more comfortable.
Stephano said that in 2011, after he won IPL3. I highly doubt he practices four hours a day now.
And just as evidence, if Taeja wanted to win PL more than GSL, he'd have played in every round of proleague, especially the allkill format, and let his GSL results to the wayside. The fact that he didn't do so is evidence of what he cares more about.
RorO as a kespa player is the same. He said that he did have to balance both, but that he was glad his team let him practice for GSL. SPL was certainly the most prestigious thing for BW, but just because they play SC2 now doesn't instantly mean that it's better than Gom. GOM has continually done more for the scene than almost any other group (except blizzard), and it shows.
You are looking on this from the foreigner perspective. Go on holidays to Korea. You will see that GSL is online streamed event with viewer base of mostly foreigner fans. Than turn on the TV and there is a big chance that you will see televised PL matches or interviews or whatever. Also you will see that a player who appeared like 3 times in a PL will be more recognized by Koreans than an avg lower skilled code S player. And Korean players care only about Korean fans, they go abroad only to ''steal'' the money.
It's easy to get upset about Jaedong's current performance, but if you know anything about JD, you should know how extremely professional, dedicated, and hardworking he is that made him such a stone cold killer in BW. A guy with determination like that won't stay down forever. JD isn't the type of person to half-ass it in anything.
I guess EG-TL is focusing on making a comeback when hots hits. It would make sense considering how everyone is playing frequently, especially thorzain and idra.
On February 26 2013 20:39 mongmong wrote: Compared to his BW days, Jaedong is not that good right now. He still has a reputation behind his name but I can handle him
Jaedong.... how far have you fallen
not as far as bisu
I bet Bisu would score similar to JD if he gets to play though
On February 27 2013 03:06 Tachion wrote: Myungsik is going to die
It's easy to get upset about Jaedong's current performance, but if you know anything about JD, you should know how extremely professional, dedicated, and hardworking he is that made him such a stone cold killer in BW. A guy with determination like that won't stay down forever. JD isn't the type of person to half-ass it in anything.
Be patient. He'll be back.
I know it's still early and whatnot, but he has been beasting it up in Hots when he streams, I definitely have faith in the dude
On February 26 2013 20:37 Seeker wrote: Any new unit that you particularly like?
The tempest. It was hard to win late game PvZ if luck wasn't with you but thanks to the tempest, late game PvZ is no longer an issue. And the pace of the game feels slower.
PvZ will be slower? Oh god no!
Even slower than Broodlords turtle behind spines? I'm not sure, but i haven't watched much HotS yet. However the once in a while occuring soul trains etc. from Protosses somewhat increased the average speed.
However i have no doubt that TvZ is gonna be the best again, after how good Taeja vs viOlet was.
I think he means slower in a good way, even though it may not sound that way at first. As in, it doesn't get to max versus max quite as quickly.
On February 26 2013 20:39 mongmong wrote: Compared to his BW days, Jaedong is not that good right now. He still has a reputation behind his name but I can handle him
Jaedong.... how far have you fallen
not as far as bisu
The difference is Bisu hasn't even had the chance to fall. He's 1/1 this season. :'(
It's a shame that Bisu's micro has so little use in SC2, Deathball™ vs Deathball™ is just not for him. Hopefully he will come back strong in Hots, he deserve more than this.
Well MSL format tournament is back in Korean Brood War. He needs to return if Hots doesn't work out or he's not having fun. He would ruin the brood war scene. :!!!!!!
On February 26 2013 20:39 mongmong wrote: Compared to his BW days, Jaedong is not that good right now. He still has a reputation behind his name but I can handle him
Jaedong.... how far have you fallen
not as far as bisu
The difference is Bisu hasn't even had the chance to fall. He's 1/1 this season. :'(
It's a shame that Bisu's micro has so little use in SC2, Deathball™ vs Deathball™ is just not for him. Hopefully he will come back strong in Hots, he deserve more than this.
Well MSL format tournament is back in Korean Brood War. He needs to return if Hots doesn't work out or he's not having fun. He would ruin the brood war scene. :!!!!!!
Yep, I wish all ex-BW players would return to the real man's game. Sea is much happier there.
On February 27 2013 02:28 Alryk wrote: "I don't think EG-TL is really focusing on Proleague. I think the results are inevitable since we work harder."
Yeah, this really sums it up. I imagine Jaedong and Stephano are practicing a ton with Taeja to help prepare him for RorO. GSL is definitely way more important to them.
I disagree. Jaedong and Taeja are Korean and Proleague is way more important then GSL for 98,5% of Korean players due to television coverage, luxury, tradition and recognition Proleague players receive in Korea. I just think that EG-TL guys simply refuse to practice as much as kespa teams do (12-14 hours daily(Stephano has said himself more then once that he plays about 4 hours a day)) and there is the reason why they will get trashed more and more in future rounds.
I don't think so. Proleague was more important in BW, but GSL right now is where the money (#1), the fame worldwide, and even the fans are at. You could even say luxury - a lot of players say the gom studios are more comfortable.
Stephano said that in 2011, after he won IPL3. I highly doubt he practices four hours a day now.
And just as evidence, if Taeja wanted to win PL more than GSL, he'd have played in every round of proleague, especially the allkill format, and let his GSL results to the wayside. The fact that he didn't do so is evidence of what he cares more about.
RorO as a kespa player is the same. He said that he did have to balance both, but that he was glad his team let him practice for GSL. SPL was certainly the most prestigious thing for BW, but just because they play SC2 now doesn't instantly mean that it's better than Gom. GOM has continually done more for the scene than almost any other group (except blizzard), and it shows.
You are looking on this from the foreigner perspective. Go on holidays to Korea. You will see that GSL is online streamed event with viewer base of mostly foreigner fans. Than turn on the TV and there is a big chance that you will see televised PL matches or interviews or whatever. Also you will see that a player who appeared like 3 times in a PL will be more recognized by Koreans than an avg lower skilled code S player. And Korean players care only about Korean fans, they go abroad only to ''steal'' the money.
Thats the good old time. Now, korean SC2 market is keep on shrinking. Just see the number of the audience at SPL for yourself. KR is dominated by LoL which is clearly the future. Hell even KESPA is thinking about LOL now. The major market of SC2 is international now. if the international interest fade, the korean SC2 scene will perish in a glance. That's how it works now.
On February 26 2013 22:19 Otolia wrote: Oh look yet another korean whose sole justification for his win is : " I work harder I deserve to win. "
First off, what do you mean by justification? You do not need to justify yourself if you win. You win because you actually won. You made your opponent GG, there's no justification to it other than you won. Maybe since your from France, it's a misunderstanding in connotations, but it sounds off.
Secondly off you're wrong. He said he got lucky in his match specifically then said KT (his team and not HIS win like you said, but THEIR win) worked harder. That's 2 reasons given.
Thirdly, Realistically, what other justification is there? Religion? I'm just better inherently? I got lucky? My opponent was bad? Which one would you rather hear?
Finally, the reason I'm harsh at people who say snide comments like you about this isn't b/c I'm some fanboy. I just like the idea of hardwork. I'm not a fan of inherent talent, I'm always a personal believer of genius being "1% talent and 99% perspiration." I like how people emphasize hard work.
Yes you are a fanboy.
... I don't really like KT....
LOLs... you know what you're right. I AM A TOTAL FANBOIIIII.
But not of KT or Myunsik, but of guys like Rock Lee from Naruto. Guys like Shin from Eyeshield 21. And so on and so forth.
It's just the sentiment in general that I'm a fan of. I love seeing talent-less idiots succeed and I get upset when people try to think it ain't no big thing and talent is so amazing.
On February 26 2013 20:39 mongmong wrote: Compared to his BW days, Jaedong is not that good right now. He still has a reputation behind his name but I can handle him
Jaedong.... how far have you fallen
not as far as bisu
The difference is Bisu hasn't even had the chance to fall. He's 1/1 this season. :'(
It's a shame that Bisu's micro has so little use in SC2, Deathball™ vs Deathball™ is just not for him. Hopefully he will come back strong in Hots, he deserve more than this.
Well MSL format tournament is back in Korean Brood War. He needs to return if Hots doesn't work out or he's not having fun. He would ruin the brood war scene. :!!!!!!
in all honesty by.hero would probably just knock bisu out of ssl just like how he knocked bisu out of batoo osl :/
On February 26 2013 20:39 mongmong wrote: Compared to his BW days, Jaedong is not that good right now. He still has a reputation behind his name but I can handle him
Jaedong.... how far have you fallen
not as far as bisu
The difference is Bisu hasn't even had the chance to fall. He's 1/1 this season. :'(
It's a shame that Bisu's micro has so little use in SC2, Deathball™ vs Deathball™ is just not for him. Hopefully he will come back strong in Hots, he deserve more than this.
Well MSL format tournament is back in Korean Brood War. He needs to return if Hots doesn't work out or he's not having fun. He would ruin the brood war scene. :!!!!!!
in all honesty by.hero would probably just knock bisu out of ssl just like how he knocked bisu out of batoo osl :/
edit: added quote for context
Bisu hasn't lost to a single Hydra Bust in WOL. Maybe he's immune!
A huge reason why BW still reigns over SC2 in Korea is because of the mechanics requirement. It seems much more impressive to "them" rather than specific decision-making that SC2 requires. Furthermore, it is much more visually noticeable when players do something extraordinary in BW, and the viewers understand how difficult it is to pull such tasks off.
The way I see it, SC2 is like American baseball, while BW is more like Japanese/Asian baseball. SC2 is flashy with "terrible, terrible damage" (homerun), while BW is more about the continuous "smaller" action sequences throughout the game (small ball). Americans/foreigners like all of the explosive stuff. Koreans find delight in overcoming their opponents in pure mechanics even if other aspects of their game are not as good. Of course, this is not helped by the fact of how quickly players can max out. It is actually considered somewhat a feat in BW to max out, considering the difficulty of macroing as well as how there are smaller fights throughout the duration of the game. Floating resources is more forgiveable in BW, because players actually had more than 10 seconds to micro specific units.
While I know the two games are different, SC2 has a far lower mechanics requirement, and that is a big reason why KESPA players are not as dominant some thought they would be. Simply put, APM does not mean nearly as much in SC2 as it does in BW, even if you disregard hotkey spamming and whatnot.
Sadly, SC2's not going to change enough, so the Korean market is only going to continue to dwindle. BW needs to come back and save the Starcraft legacy in Korea. /onlyhalfjoking
One thing I find amusing (but not at all unexpected) is that the recent BW SSL's group selection had far more Korean physical presence than GSLs/etc held in Korea. Yes, just the group selection ceremony; no games.
I think if not EG-TL and especially EG doesn't take action their brand as a premier team will take a big hit. Their Korean based players can't make in pro league and their american based can't make it in international competitions. They'll have big stream numbers as the biggest achievement.
On February 27 2013 03:15 Aleteh wrote: I guess EG-TL is focusing on making a comeback when hots hits. It would make sense considering how everyone is playing frequently, especially thorzain and idra.
See that's the problem. There's been so many "wait until allkill format, that's when the team will shine!", "wait until Stephano gets here, then the team will be unstoppable!", or "wait until Jaedong gets used to SC2, then EGTL will be unstoppable!".
It's not that the people who originally said such things were foolish for saying so. Not really, at the present time those observations made sense. But there have been certain intangible factors that resulted in EGTL's predicament today. Now I don't even think HotS will save them. They need to address the root causes for their losses.
Other Proleague teams are also preparing for a HotS switch at the same time. If anything, evening out the playing field in terms of experience will be more beneficial to other teams than to EGTL.
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