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). When I get home tonight, I'm going to make an "official" Liquipedia page for this, and I don't think he should qualify for that page.The Triple Crown of Starcraft 2 - Page 5
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
). When I get home tonight, I'm going to make an "official" Liquipedia page for this, and I don't think he should qualify for that page. | ||
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Locke-
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 15 2013 01:50 RiSkyToss wrote: I think nestea should definitely be in there, in early 2011 he looked absolutely godlike, only mvp was even close to nesteas skill level at the time. Same for taeja in early 2012, but taejas reign only lasted a few months. I think you misunderstood the point of the title. This isn't about how dominant a player was, but simply winning a premier tournament in NA, EU and Korea. There isn't much subjectivity about this, other than possibly which tournaments may be considered premier (but Liquipedia has a pretty solid definition). | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 14 2013 19:29 opterown wrote: [url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Valencia_Invitational]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Valencia_Invitational[/url] eh i wouldn't count this really[/QUOTE] Yeah, NaNiwa, ThorZAiN, Rain, HerO, HuK, IdrA, LucifroN, all a bunch of noobs and pushovers consistently. Definitely no big deal to win a tournament with that soft of a player pool. + Show Spoiler + troll face Its a small player pool, its not fair to count that as a major tourney and not the Red Bull Battle Grounds for MC which had a much larger talent pool and much better players. (Stephano,bomber,squirtle, parting,violet, and taeja among others) | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
On February 15 2013 05:51 mrRoflpwn wrote: Its a small player pool, its not fair to count that as a major tourney and not the Red Bull Battle Grounds for MC which had a much larger talent pool and much better players. (Stephano,bomber,squirtle, parting,violet, and taeja among others) Let's not argue about it. I do admit that I did not mean to break my own rule about what is considered a premier tournament, it was an accident. I have left DRG on here to show that he has impressive results on all three continents, but with an asterisk by his ID to show that he is not officially a triple crowner. If you look on the liquipedia page, I have used the fully correct definition, and DRG is not listed as a triple crowner. Also, in fairness to MC, if anyone would like to do a short writeup on MC, I will add it to the OP with an asterisk as well. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 15 2013 06:00 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think the next one will probably be Polt. Wouldn't be surprised to see him win a NA title since he lives in the US now Isn't the only Premier tournament left in NA before HotS IPL6? That'll be tough to win for sure. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 15 2013 06:06 Bagration wrote: Isn't the only Premier tournament left in NA before HotS IPL6? That'll be tough to win for sure. Is it limited to WoL only? I didnt see that in the OP but I might have missed it. Or does it have to be all 3 in the same game? | ||
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nichan
United States158 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On February 15 2013 06:11 nichan wrote: I think if someone wins the GSL/NASL/IPL in the same year it should be consider a triple crown. It should be GSL, OSL and BWC (if thats going to be a yearly thing) and could someone clarify why IEM is a premier event and some others like Dreamhack Valencia and Red Bull Battlegrounds are not? IEM's prize pool is kind of awful to be honest | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
On February 15 2013 07:54 TommyP wrote: It should be GSL, OSL and BWC (if thats going to be a yearly thing) and could someone clarify why IEM is a premier event and some others like Dreamhack Valencia and Red Bull Battlegrounds are not? IEM's prize pool is kind of awful to be honest To be honest, you probably should take that up with the folks who run Liquipedia. The list I used was the official list there. I believe that part of the rationale is that part of what makes an event premier is the presentation and hype associated with a big brand name, but I'm not really responsible for deciding the classification. To solve the dispute about whether or not DRG and MC should get titles based on whether their tournament wins were "important enough" I've added a new section which allows them to gain the recognition they deserve without having an asterisk by their names, but still upholds the integrity of the true definition of the Triple Crown (i.e. 3 Liquipedia certified premier championships). | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On February 15 2013 07:54 TommyP wrote: It should be GSL, OSL and BWC (if thats going to be a yearly thing) and could someone clarify why IEM is a premier event and some others like Dreamhack Valencia and Red Bull Battlegrounds are not? IEM's prize pool is kind of awful to be honest How is IEM not a premier event? Every IEM this year had a bigger prize pool than any of the DreamHack Opens (anything not DH Summer/Winter) and even Summer was only about $1000 bigger than the smaller IEM events and had a smaller prize pool than IEM Cologne this season. Just because DH is ridiculously top-heavy with their prize pool doesn't mean that it's bigger, it only makes people think it's bigger because you see big numbers. I like IEM because they pay more players adequately and make it worthwhile for players from all over the world to actually attend. DH Valencia 2011 was simply an eight man invitational where you needed to win three series to win the whole thing, that's the same amount of series wins Lucifron needed to win the IPL DICE Showdown recently. Was that a premier event too? I mean, they had a $10,000 prize pool that must mean something. | ||
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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:20 StarVe wrote: How is IEM not a premier event? Every IEM this year had a bigger prize pool than any of the DreamHack Opens (anything not DH Summer/Winter) and even Summer was only about $1000 bigger than the smaller IEM events and had a smaller prize pool than IEM Cologne this season. Just because DH is ridiculously top-heavy with their prize pool doesn't mean that it's bigger, it only makes people think it's bigger because you see big numbers. I like IEM because they pay more players adequately and make it worthwhile for players from all over the world to actually attend. DH Valencia 2011 was simply an eight man invitational where you needed to win three series to win the whole thing, that's the same amount of series wins Lucifron needed to win the IPL DICE Showdown recently. Was that a premier event too? I mean, they had a $10,000 prize pool that must mean something. So according to your logic, a bigger prize pool categorizes an event as as premier level tournament? What exactly decides an event being in the "premier" category? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
On February 15 2013 06:00 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think the next one will probably be Polt. Wouldn't be surprised to see him win a NA title since he lives in the US now Last chance is MLG Dallas (if he qualifies) and IPL6 in WoL (which doesn't have the scariest line-up around). Maybe he might get a NA championship in HotS, but most would say it wouldn't carry over into WoL. | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
Awesome post, wonder how many more triple crowns we'll be having before the last game of LotV is played. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On February 15 2013 12:40 PhoenixVoid wrote: Last chance is MLG Dallas (if he qualifies) and IPL6 in WoL (which doesn't have the scariest line-up around). Maybe he might get a NA championship in HotS, but most would say it wouldn't carry over into WoL. Well there are still a lot of players that could qualify for IPL6 (plus 6 from LG-IM and then 6 from ST/MVP winner) Oh yea EG could make it if they beat IM so theyre not making it. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 15 2013 12:40 PhoenixVoid wrote: Last chance is MLG Dallas (if he qualifies) and IPL6 in WoL (which doesn't have the scariest line-up around). Maybe he might get a NA championship in HotS, but most would say it wouldn't carry over into WoL. I thought people wouldnt want these things to carry over but when the poll was put up in the unofficial world champion thread the winning choice was to continue it through the game change. I guess not everyone sees it as a new game since it's just an expansion. I could see the argument either way | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On February 15 2013 12:38 freeshooter wrote: So according to your logic, a bigger prize pool categorizes an event as as premier level tournament? What exactly decides an event being in the "premier" category? Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. In comparison, Dreamhack Valencia 2011 and Red Bull Battlegrounds come under "Major Tournaments". Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 15 2013 07:54 TommyP wrote: It should be GSL, OSL and BWC (if thats going to be a yearly thing) and could someone clarify why IEM is a premier event and some others like Dreamhack Valencia and Red Bull Battlegrounds are not? IEM's prize pool is kind of awful to be honest IEM runs qualifiers. Valencia and Red Bull were both invites only. Prize pool is nice, but if that's a qualifier then the Lyn's 20,000+ dollar tourney in China would have to be counted higher than MMA's Anaheim. You can say the skill level at Red Bull and Valencia was higher than say IEM Singapore. But we still have to exclude invitationals as they give an unfair advantage as potential players never got the chance to ever participate. The real question is what we think are requirements for a tournament to be considered a premier tournament. Here are some polls to think about: Poll: How much Prize Money is needed to consider a Tournament Premier? 10,000 (12) 20,000 or more (8) 15,000 (3) 5,000 (1) 24 total votes Your vote: How much Prize Money is needed to consider a Tournament Premier? (Vote): 5,000 Poll: Does a Premier Tournament need Qualifiers Yes (23) No (3) 26 total votes Your vote: Does a Premier Tournament need Qualifiers Poll: Does a Premeir tournament need Korean participation? Yes (23) No (4) 27 total votes Your vote: Does a Premeir tournament need Korean participation? Poll: Does a Premeir Tournament need English coverage? No (19) Yes (8) 27 total votes Your vote: Does a Premeir Tournament need English coverage? | ||
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