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RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
February 14 2013 16:50 GMT
#61
I think nestea should definitely be in there, in early 2011 he looked absolutely godlike, only mvp was even close to nesteas skill level at the time.

Same for taeja in early 2012, but taejas reign only lasted a few months.
Endall
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
February 14 2013 16:51 GMT
#62
While I love the concept, I would love to have those 3 tournaments that are a part of the Triple Crown instead of just winning three popular tournaments in each of the three regions. Horse Racing hasn't had a Triple Crown since 1978 and would love to have it much more uncommon. The Royal Roader is much harder of a feat in my opinion, but those three you listed is also a worth while accomplishment.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
February 14 2013 16:53 GMT
#63
MMA won Iron Squid chapter I !
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 14 2013 16:56 GMT
#64
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.

I ask because in other sports (tennis, baseball, horse racing) I think it's a yearly and not career accomplishment and therefore triple crowns are more rare. It highlights a player who's absolutely dominant over a short time-span. SC2 is only a few years old, and in a few years time you would never see 4 triple crown winners in the other sports I mentioned.

Maybe it can just be broken up into "Triple Crown" and "Career Triple Crown"


What you said is true about other sports. Tennis is actually the Grand Slam. However, a season/year is much more 'structured'. Every calendar year in tennis has 4 Slams (US, Aussie, French, British). For baseball, it is actually leading in statistics (HR, RBI, batting avg) for a season and for horse racing, it was the 3 big races.

So I think it is very hard to apply the same standards to SC2. In early 2011, korean players didn't travel as much to NA/EU events. It wasn't until late 2011 when the tournaments started paying for travel. Also, GSL seasons were much 'closer' together so players didn't have as much time to travel. So it is difficult to have a 'fair' standard imo.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 14 2013 16:59 GMT
#65
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.

I ask because in other sports (tennis, baseball, horse racing) I think it's a yearly and not career accomplishment and therefore triple crowns are more rare. It highlights a player who's absolutely dominant over a short time-span. SC2 is only a few years old, and in a few years time you would never see 4 triple crown winners in the other sports I mentioned.

Maybe it can just be broken up into "Triple Crown" and "Career Triple Crown"


That's a valid point and I'm convinced. Life is the only triple crown player.
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1128 Posts
February 14 2013 17:04 GMT
#66
On February 15 2013 01:45 DavoS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.


If we're going by standards that extreme, not even Life would qualify. Iron Squid ended in late January of 2013


All of his wins happened within a four-month time span, it'd be arbitrary to discount his Iron Squid win just because it happened after New Year's.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
February 14 2013 17:06 GMT
#67
On February 14 2013 19:08 Fionn wrote:
I brought this up forever ago in articles.

Good job actually making a thread for it. Probably deserves it's own Liquipedia page. It's quite amazing to win a major in all three major SC2 hotbeds.


I disagree. Look at some of those tournaments. The 2011 MLGs, Global Challenge Kiev, Dreamhack Valencia. Not exactly stacked. Not worth a Liquipedia page in my opinion.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 17:14:19
February 14 2013 17:09 GMT
#68
On February 15 2013 01:59 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.

I ask because in other sports (tennis, baseball, horse racing) I think it's a yearly and not career accomplishment and therefore triple crowns are more rare. It highlights a player who's absolutely dominant over a short time-span. SC2 is only a few years old, and in a few years time you would never see 4 triple crown winners in the other sports I mentioned.

Maybe it can just be broken up into "Triple Crown" and "Career Triple Crown"


That's a valid point and I'm convinced. Life is the only triple crown player.


Except Life won Iron Squid in 2013.

Limiting to one year only is stupid, it doesn't have to copy other sports because It's not other sports, It's Starcraft.

On February 15 2013 02:04 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:45 DavoS wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.


If we're going by standards that extreme, not even Life would qualify. Iron Squid ended in late January of 2013


All of his wins happened within a four-month time span, it'd be arbitrary to discount his Iron Squid win just because it happened after New Year's.


If you're going to count it like that then Mvp is also a one year span triple crown winner, Blizzcon ( NA ) in Oct 2011, 2012 GSL Season 2 (KR) in May 2012 and IEM Cologne (EU) in August 2012.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 17:16:24
February 14 2013 17:16 GMT
#69
On February 15 2013 01:45 DavoS wrote:
If you're going to count it like that then Mvp is also a one year span triple crown winner, Blizzcon ( NA ) in Oct 2011, 2012 GSL Season 2 (KR) in May 2012 and IEM Cologne (EU) in August 2012.


Sounds good to me.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
February 14 2013 17:18 GMT
#70
On February 15 2013 01:50 RiSkyToss wrote:
I think nestea should definitely be in there, in early 2011 he looked absolutely godlike, only mvp was even close to nesteas skill level at the time.

Same for taeja in early 2012, but taejas reign only lasted a few months.


Neither fits the requirements of the OP though.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
February 14 2013 17:23 GMT
#71
Triple crown? Gotta award MVP the Grand Slam of StarCraft events or something.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
February 14 2013 17:23 GMT
#72
A Triple Crown should be based on the most prestigious tournaments without consideration of the continent where the games are played.

GSL, MLG, OSL?

mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
February 14 2013 17:26 GMT
#73
How can OP say Taeja has a major american title (MLG Arena) and then not consider the RedBull LAN a major tourney for MC... Arena is a big deal but not that prestigious compared to the MLG championship weekend...
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
February 14 2013 17:27 GMT
#74
The first thing I thought of when I read the opening paragraph was 'poor Polt'

But yeah, Life is a scary kid. Thanks for the thread
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
February 14 2013 17:32 GMT
#75
There's a pretty huge difference in the prestige and talent pool in those 3 tournaments though, as well as the amount of preparation progamers give to each. OSL is probably the only tournament that can be equated on the level of GSL.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
February 14 2013 17:45 GMT
#76
I remember talking about Polt making it to the Triple Crown back in November/December 2012, when he came pretty close to winning IPL5 or NASL. Thanks for bringing this up again though, I think more people should be exposed to the idea of a Triple Crown.
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VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
February 14 2013 17:48 GMT
#77
Would like to note that IdrA should be added to the "Only needed/needs one more title" list.

IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Guangzhou 1st Place

2011 MLG North American Invitational 1st Place

2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite 1st Place

IPL Season 1 1st Place


All of the above took place in 2011. They're all NA/EU titles with the exception of the IEM victory being in China. People forget IdrA was one of the best players in the world in 2011.
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
February 14 2013 18:02 GMT
#78
On February 15 2013 02:09 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:59 Alpino wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.

I ask because in other sports (tennis, baseball, horse racing) I think it's a yearly and not career accomplishment and therefore triple crowns are more rare. It highlights a player who's absolutely dominant over a short time-span. SC2 is only a few years old, and in a few years time you would never see 4 triple crown winners in the other sports I mentioned.

Maybe it can just be broken up into "Triple Crown" and "Career Triple Crown"


That's a valid point and I'm convinced. Life is the only triple crown player.


Except Life won Iron Squid in 2013.

Limiting to one year only is stupid, it doesn't have to copy other sports because It's not other sports, It's Starcraft.

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 02:04 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:45 DavoS wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:38 Vul wrote:
Shouldn't winning a triple crown mean doing this all in one year?

Edit: By that standard Life would be the only triple crown winner because all of his wins happened in 2012.


If we're going by standards that extreme, not even Life would qualify. Iron Squid ended in late January of 2013


All of his wins happened within a four-month time span, it'd be arbitrary to discount his Iron Squid win just because it happened after New Year's.


If you're going to count it like that then Mvp is also a one year span triple crown winner, Blizzcon ( NA ) in Oct 2011, 2012 GSL Season 2 (KR) in May 2012 and IEM Cologne (EU) in August 2012.


Well if we didn't want it to be somewhat like other sports then we wouldn't call it a triple crown, we would just come up with something completely different. It won't be like other sports because they have recognized competitions which are designated as triple crown events. One of the problems with talking about a triple crown in SC2 at all is that we don't have a system like that. We all know that GSL is harder than MLG but the Aussie Open and the US Open draw from the same talent pool.

Like I said earlier, my opinion is that limiting it to one year better reflects the spirit of what a triple crown generally means. But you could also recognize players for a career triple crown. They are just two different kinds of accomplishments, one recognizes longevity, the other recognizes dominance in a short time span.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 14 2013 18:07 GMT
#79
If you made it so it has to be within a year of the first win then the list would actually still be MMA Mvp and Life, but if it has to be in the same calendar year then no one has done it.
alvadr
Profile Joined May 2012
135 Posts
February 14 2013 19:25 GMT
#80
Cool article :D

his first title to his third: 98.


I'd argue that this was less impressive than the 13 months between Mvp's victory, as Mvp's time shows a longer dominance, but maybe not as powerful as one.
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